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bushpotatoe t1_iu726af wrote

I love that the default solution is always 'tear it down!' instead of 'let's provide this man with some basic shelter somewhere else so he doesn't feel forced into this sort of act'.

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Smacpats111111 OP t1_iu7478n wrote

In the full video of the interview with him, he explains that while the city will get him housing if he asks for it, he prefers this over the mini-homes offered by the city, since he views the city's housing as controlling and oppressive.

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PlantedinCA t1_iu7bcvl wrote

Usually the city options are “you can sleep here, leave your stuff in this insecure cubby, or take it with you. And you need to be gone all day. Can’t come back till 8p.” Not only that these places are dangerous full of violence, people getting raped, all their stuff stolen while they sleep.

It’s not like a dorm room. It is a bunch of cots set up in a huge room.

Yeah a box on the street sounds a lot better to me. At least it is your space and you can watch / protect your stuff.

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bushpotatoe t1_iu7j2s7 wrote

That's a shame he feels that way. We should have better systems in place to assist these people.

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canhasdiy t1_iudbum7 wrote

>since he views the city's housing as controlling and oppressive.

Let me guess, because then he'd actually have to have a job and pay for his housing?

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colin8651 t1_iu7kdqs wrote

Does the person know what the tax bill will be? Property tax is no joke.

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CannedApples13 t1_iu7h6hz wrote

It’s crazy. It’s crazy. It’s crazy.

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ChocoboRaider t1_iu6xnu6 wrote

Absolute sick c*nt. Hope it’s just as nice inside as it is out. Guerrilla housing is coming, and I’m here for it.

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Fanwhip t1_iu9n43a wrote

May they all camp out around/near your home and neighborhood then. See how you feel about it after a camp grows and the area is swamped with trash/drug items/police due to issue from said folks with their "guerrilla homes"

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ChocoboRaider t1_iualu3f wrote

They’re totally welcome! In fact, plenty of them already live around me, never had any problems with them. Yknow this might shock you, but if you push your disgust down and talk to them like normal humans, you can actually have some cool chats with them. Many of them have had pretty interesting and out there lives.

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Fanwhip t1_iuc8tlt wrote

I have had a few. I have helped a few. I have been mugged by one. I still will buy food for someone that wants food. If they complain i will walk away with the food.

I will treat them as people. But as a person they need to follow the law. What he is doing isnt legal. Allowing it shows "they can do what they want".

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ChocoboRaider t1_iudvvy4 wrote

That’s great, I’m glad you still help folks out despite a negative experience. Many people can’t see past such experiences.

At the end of the day, we’re all damaged basket cases barely holding on to the thin veneer covering the reality that we’re a few bad days away from being where they are. And where they live is a place hostile to moneyless folk. And so despite attracting society’s ire for simply existing, they have to make do however they can, even if it’s not strictly legal. And I’m sure you agree we should not follow unethical orders, nor unethical laws.

The US has the greatest legal system on earth. Just need to keep in mind it’s a legal system, not a justice system.

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Fanwhip t1_iu6j9cg wrote

I know this may sound inhumane. But if its a structure that is not a business it shouldn't be on a sidewalk. Thinking kiosks like news stands and mini convince store things.

It shouldnt be there on the side walk.
let alone he is getting power from someone and i doubt its always asked for.

if he is this ingenious to make a mobile house. He should be able to get back on his feet.

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ChooseWisely83 t1_iu6lc2f wrote

How if no one will hire him? You can't really apply for a job without an address, there are exceptions but they are few and far between. We need comprehensive assistance to get people back on their feet, and we can make it compulsory.

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bluecollar1020 t1_iu6opp8 wrote

You really don't know much about the blue collar working class that surrounds you. The reality is the vast majority of construction companies don't care where you live just that you can show up 15 minutes before work starts, stay sober and that you can physically bust your hump for the entire day in a competent manner.

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donkeylipsh t1_iu6ref6 wrote

You really don't know much about the homeless class that surrounds you. The reality is, the vast majority of homeless people don't have the means to show up 15 minutes before work starts, and have some sort of physical or health problem that prevents them from being physically capable of busting their hump for the entire day in a competent manner.

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Fanwhip t1_iu6zluz wrote

You act like that would fix a majority of it.

There is either mental health issues. Which many cannot afford to get treatment for or refuse to.

Drug abuse cannot afford to treat or refuse to get off.

They then expect folks to give money or help them when many refuse to help themselves as they can get more begging/stealing/jumping either other people or other homeless folk for said things.

They are just as good/bad as the normal folks are. The difference is they many times over had folks before them ruin the chance for coming back to their own feet cause "homeless or druggies/crazies/bums"

If we had places to put them. I doubt it would help long term as many are so "street" set. Even when given chances cause issues.

Mini homes for them? Folks have set fires from cooking in them when told not to or due to trying to do drugs.
Hotel rooms? Same issue as above.
Someone opens the doors to them? Stolen from. threatened/raped/assaulted.

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donkeylipsh t1_iu72r64 wrote

You act as if I said it would. And then you let loose a bunch of pent up classist bullshit.

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bluecollar1020 t1_iu7n1zm wrote

Classist? WTF do you know about class? You're most likely from a nice safe bourgeois middle class home and have been pampered all your life. The reality is people who hold your beliefs are the class enemies. You're the one putting the lumpenproletariat before the working class. Every tax dollar spent on street junkies, bums, and the lazy is a tax dollar not going to helping working class and poor kids succeed in life. Your taking tax dollars from kids and handing it middle aged, middle class bums to shove in their arms. Yes, 25-30 is middle aged as many won't see 50. Your bs is exactly what is going to get radical reactionary rightist into office.

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Fanwhip t1_iu9baud wrote

" You really don't know much about the homeless class that surrounds you. The reality is, the vast majority of homeless people don't have the means to show up 15 minutes before work starts, and have some sort of physical or health problem that prevents them from being physically capable of busting their hump for the entire day in a competent manner. "

That is what you said. "physical or health problems" I said mental problems and physical

So you can say it and its not classiest but I say it. It is?
Get off your damn high horse and for being a pos trying to say something I didn't.

Statistics and stereotypes are things based on given fact/truth. Sadly lots of homeless want a chance. But don't do anything to their "Fellow" brethren when they ruin it for the rest. 1 bad apple spoils the bunch.

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donkeylipsh t1_iu9l5n5 wrote

I provided a reason for why they're unable to do the things OP claimed.

You wrote a fictional novel giving every reason you could come up for why they're unworthy of empathy.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

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And heres some statistic for your claims that all homeless people are drug abusers: Only 10-15% of homeless people use drugs vs. 13% from the general population

So someone needs to go back and check their statistic and make sure they align with their bullshit stereotypes, and it ain't me.

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Fanwhip t1_iu9m4gn wrote

Dont want help from someone like you who will damn others for pointing out given facts and proven ones as to why the help given already should be enough and as much as humanity and goodwill should be given to all. Some abuse it or refuse to do good for themselves.

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donkeylipsh t1_iu9osm3 wrote

You're not pointing out facts. You're spreading lies you ignorant dumbass.

Homeless people are more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than to commit it.

Housed people commit violent crime at higher rates than the homeless.

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Fanwhip t1_iua4tnu wrote

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/homeless-shelter-arrests.page

Thats new york at shelters. The shelters meant to be safe locations for them. If they themselves refuse to be good onto themselves and others in the same postion as them. Why give them more when they squander what they got already?

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donkeylipsh t1_iua733d wrote

God damn you're dumb. Read your own source:

>Statistics represent arrests occurring at homeless shelter locations and do not reflect location of offense precipitating arrest or arrestee association with shelter.

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bluecollar1020 t1_iu7m54a wrote

Yeah what you are describing are issues with drugs and being lazy. Fuck them, write them off and send them on their way.

Because the Reactionary right will pick up many races it is the working class that will pay. Just as every tax dollar spent on junkies and the lazy is a tax dollar that will not go to working class and poor kids insuring they will succeed in life.

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CA_Orange t1_iu7vh51 wrote

>You really don't know much about the homeless class that surrounds you.

Cute. You're doing the same thing, but mockingly.

>The reality is, the vast majority of homeless people don't have the means to show up 15 minutes before work starts

Made up statistic. Keep to verifiable facts if you want to prove a point.

>and have some sort of physical or health problem that prevents them from being physically capable of busting their hump for the entire day in a competent manner.

Another made up statistic.

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jeffreythesnake t1_iu780l3 wrote

I don't think you have to apologize, the only reason people are downvoting you is because this guy hasn't moved outside their home with his house.

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Fanwhip t1_iu9apq5 wrote

I'm sure if he was syphing thier power. Leaving trash outside their home or etc. They would have words to say.

Look in cali. There is a whole town going "We want these guys gone" and folks have been mugged. Fire fighters/cops have had to show up to arrest and put out fires. But before the homeless camp "cropped" up they had none of these issues.

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Grastia t1_iu6mnu6 wrote

They need to take the structure down. Stop enabling bad behavior.

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donkeylipsh t1_iu6t97a wrote

I like you're thinking. Let's stop enabling bad behavior by targeting the largest offenders and those getting the largest benefits.

Surely if this homeless man is a problem, then you'll be champing at the bit to go after the corporations who steal $40 billion in wages form their employees every year.

Next, you're gonna love this! We're gonna go after the financial institutions that are speculating real estate and attempting to corner the market for the basic human necessity of shelter.

And if that wasn't enough for you, we're gonna hire another 75,000 IRS agents to go after all the tax dodgers out there and overhaul our tax code to eliminate hoarding of real estate and passive income slum lords.

Oh what's wrong? nOt LiKe ThAt you say?

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bushpotatoe t1_iu71yrt wrote

The local government needs to provide adequate shelter for the homeless. Stop enabling bad behavior.

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