Reeetman1 t1_iwzw6g6 wrote
Reply to comment by AsparagusFirm7764 in Chicago Alderman who said he wants fewer cops in his ward is now asking people to PLEASE stop shooting each other for 48 hours by CookieMasochist
we know exactly why. the proble is people would rather blame the tools of violence than even discuss the actual issues, like poverty, racism, wage slavery, etc.
its not because we have more guns than other countries. its because we DONT have any of the civilized features, like healthcare, education, quality of life....
AsparagusFirm7764 t1_ix05afs wrote
this is true. For being a country that claims to be as patriotic as America does, it's probably one of the least patriotic countries in the world. There's very little support for the country, and a LOT of support for individuality. And when you encourage the individual instead of the population you run into a lot of problems.
Playful_Melody t1_ix4o6i2 wrote
Would it relate to the country’s cultural belief in individualism? For example, in more collectivistic counties like Japan, there is actually very little looting after natural disasters, whereas it seems very high in countries like the states. To me it feels like the desire of self is excessive to the point of selfishness rather than self-reliance
AsparagusFirm7764 t1_ix67hvn wrote
Oh entirely. It's not a country of people wanting to work together to be better, it's a country of people that care about themselves only, and not at all interested in sharing.
Reeetman1 t1_ix09sun wrote
It's not even the individual. Well 7nless that individual has millions of dollars in the bank.
We support business and exploitation of the workers for the gain of the wealthy.
We are an oppressive feudal society. We would be an oppressive feudal society even without guns.
AsparagusFirm7764 t1_ix0cpd7 wrote
By individual, I mean individual entity within the country; as opposed to supporting what's best for everyone, the mentality is focused on what I as an individual want. Granted that mentality doesn't always work out well for people that don't have a voice.
America could really benefit from socialism.
Reeetman1 t1_ix0etds wrote
I knew what you meant. I disagree with your details but fully agree with your final conclusion.
HarryCaulrecordedyou t1_ix0pi4b wrote
Nothing to do with lax Indiana gun laws though.
By the way one can blame the tool AND the other things you mention.
Reeetman1 t1_ix0s3ua wrote
The problem is violence, ALL OF IT. You are making a bad faith argument about guns. It's.moot.
Oppressive regimes all throughout history have tried to ban weapons from the oppressed. Where are they now?
Your entire argument is a logical fallacy. You are cherry picking one specific violent act, giving it a name, and pretending banning that one thing will fix all of societies problems. It's exactly what Hitler did to the Jews.
We don't need to ban the item, we need to stop the violent tendencies. A violent society without weapons doesn't suddenly become peaceful, it just finds new weapons.
HarryCaulrecordedyou t1_ix0uj9c wrote
Ask people in Europe today if they are scared of what you say. They'll laugh at you as if you're a lunatic, which you could quite possibly be.
If you think your pistol is gonna stop an entity with nuclear weapons, you're insane.
Where did I say banning guns will solve all of societies ills? Oh that's right I didn't. Get help.
Reeetman1 t1_ix1362c wrote
> If you think your pistol is gonna stop an entity with nuclear weapons, you're insane.
Lololololololo.
That's the dumbest argument ever.
You do know that Europe didn't stop anything with their gun ban, right? Just today someone was arrested with a PIPE BOMB and a gun. They didn't have any mass shooting events before they banned guns. You kids love.pointing to Europe as if it proves anything. In fact, banning guns had ZERO (0) effect on UKs violent crime and murder rates. They were falling before the ban and they continue to fall at the same rate today. It's also the same rate that violent crime is falling in the US.
HarryCaulrecordedyou t1_ix2dway wrote
How many mass shootings does the us have per year compared to Europe? Stop embarrassing yourself you dumb piece of shit.
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the_catshark t1_ix0o7xh wrote
I mean, its really both. The issues mentioned are why people may end up in a cycle of crime and violence. But gun violence increases the easier guns are to acquire. If guns are not plentiful and accessible, gun violence goes down.
Successful violent crime also goes down, not to mention gun mistakes like unintentional discharges and suicide go down when guns are not accessible.
freddy_guy t1_ix2e6fw wrote
Sorry, but the people who most strongly oppose guns are also the people who want to do something about poverty, racism, etc. It's the right wing who wants to do nothing about any of it.
And you have forgotten to mention that the culture itself is partly to blame. America fetishizes guns in a way that is really cringey to non-Americans. It's really gross, from an outsiders' point of view. You also need to fix that.
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