> The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in U.S. federal court in Concord, New Hampshire, says there have been over 100 incidents of the P320 pistol unintentionally discharging when the user believed they did not pull the trigger.

If your beliefs and the facts on whether you pulled a trigger aren't in alignment, maybe you shouldn't be trusted with a gun.

There have been legit recalls for this sort of defect.

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Not saying it isn't possible, but a law-talking guy who's suing them putting out a press release isn't a definitive source any more than all the Facebook ads about Roundup are proof it's carcinogenic.

Believe in this instance is a protection against lawsuits wiggle word in case one of the multiple claims is proven to have involved the user doing something. While I generally have a low opinion of police officers and their ability to handle a firearm properly, this many intances, including holstered guns, amongst relatively veteran officers is pretty indicative.

Remington did a recall for this very problem for a long gun. It has happened before.

In 2016, the U.S Army adopted the P320 for use in the field, but not before it underwent significant testing. The Army’s drop test revealed that the gun would discharge on impact at certain angles. Clearly, this was a concern that they needed to have addressed. Sig Sauer met the Army’s requests for a modified trigger mechanism to fix the problem — but implemented the change only for military sales.

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I don’t think this fits the sub. There have been some cases that the firearm did unintentionally discharge especially when dropped.

I’m not sure how this is r/nottheonion material.

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Yeah, but that's from the same press release. You need to cite nonbiased data.

That's irrelevant to proving anything about this particular gun unless they used the same parts.

https://youtu.be/ch7si_VQsGA

It establishes the fact that it can happen. This lawsuit going forward now is stating that it has happened. That’s literally what we’re looking at. It’s not like there’s just this one woman making this random claim against a random gun. She’s one of many making the claim against the same model. Let them figure it out in court now. But saying they don’t have a case because you can’t believe it or significantly doubt it is pointless unless you’re involved in the case.

Any reason it's important to note that a woman from Massachusetts is involved?

dropped is not by itself.

The story is from local Boston news. It's the local angle for them. It's a "hey, there's a lawsuit, and someone around here is part of it" headline. Nothing particularly odd about that. Now if a Boston station went with "Ohio man among those suing gun manufacture" that would be odd.

The whole post isn't relevant. News happened and OP is lost.

Exactly

Guns don't kill people nu-uh, I kill people, with guns.

Drop safety is a cornerstone of modern handgun design. Handguns, if holstered, often bump and knock into things as the person moves around.

This is, effectively, the gun going off on its own.

Sometimes firearms are defective and go off by themselves. This is called "accidental discharge" (as opposed to cases of human error, or "negligent discharge"). In these cases, the firearms are recalled. This is uncommon with modern firearms but absolutely still happens. Not onion-y.

But not by SIG. They had a “voluntary upgrade” on this, but not a recall. Which they should… but if they did, would make them legally vulnerable in dozens of incidents.

The gun does in fact fire spontaneously. Sig refusing to officially acknowledge this is a travesty, and only possible because of special legislation sponsored and passed by the GOP that holds gun companies legally not responsible for the consequences of their products.

even videos of the "phenomenon"

No. Several manufactures have had defects in the trigger system that will allow the gun to discharge when the trigger is not pulled. Adding in drop safeties to make sure the gun won't fire if dropped or knocked is part of designing a firearm.

Remington is one of the bigger cases of this kind of defect, affecting a ton of hunting and competition rifles. This is not new. What is new is that Sig doesn't want to do a recall.

Yep.

Also happens more often than people would think with competitions, lot of highly modified guns can have accidental discharges a lot easier than something you'd buy off the shelf at cabelas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGyglYqeoM

Great example as to why you always treat the firearm like its loaded, his finger is nowhere near the trigger.

This has been documented on camera. The verbage is purely legalese.

Which law?

It's onion-y* because firearms don't just go off by themselves. Weird how all the incidents involve people handling the gun prior to it magically going off. "oh I was checking it and it fired" "oh I was putting it in my bag and it fired" not "oh it was in my safe and it fired" hell one even said he was checking the gun for obstruction out of the holster and it fired...

Chief witness for prosecution....Alec Baldwin

That’s not the point and you know it. Anyone would question what happened if a gun randomly went off . Don’t be dense

And any defense lawyer would question any holes in the plaintiff's story. Don't be dense.