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hansolemio t1_j177s7k wrote

Reply to comment by newsman0719 in Louisiana conservatives consider ban on liberal business agendas by positive_X

They have always wanted complete iron-gripped control over every aspect of all of our lives. They just lie and say they believe in freedom for the same reasons the Nazis said they were socialists

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Main_Dirt_7302 t1_j17ozdx wrote

I still don't get this at all. They ultimately work towards Taliban/Handmaid's Tale society yet use the symbolism and rhetoric of "freedom" in the process. It's not a mass conspiracy & there's no central command center but I'm perplexed by how their belief system works.

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StarMangledSpanner t1_j187q7g wrote

They simply want the freedom to tell other people what to do while simultaneously believing that nobody can tell them what to do.

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DuckQueue t1_j18rgdy wrote

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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Main_Dirt_7302 t1_j18bbei wrote

Exactly! Nicely said. I just think it's so strange that some groups involved in political movements can take their greatest weakness and then simply claim it to be one of their assets.

Pairing traditional values with freedom is like trying to blend oil and water

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DifficultyWithMyLife t1_j1886e4 wrote

It's basically ignoring the meanings of words so they can control discourse, and thus people's very thoughts.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

― George Orwell, 1984

The scary part is, it works. We really are nothing more than dumb animals that learned how to talk and build things.

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Lower-Cantaloupe3274 t1_j18nz41 wrote

I was raised in the belief system. As soon as you start to think critically and ask questions, it unravels alarmingly quickly. It all makes sense until you pull that one string. Then the avalanche of "well, if that's not true, what about..." and when you ask earnest questions to try to salvage any if it, you are labeled as "woke" and pretty much anything you say is immediately discredited.

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Main_Dirt_7302 t1_j193otu wrote

Yes. I'm just curious if there is more of a general process in psychology that accounts for this. Everyone knows (on a subconscious level) the major weaknesses of their theory/belief system. It seems like they charge forward with the freedom stuff because it makes them feel invincible and morally justified (if it were true).

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Lower-Cantaloupe3274 t1_j196h5o wrote

Well I think confirmation bias is part of it. Also affinity bias. Spreading of alternatives. So is the need to belong to a group, which is stronger in some people than others.

I am not sure everyone knows the weaknesses if their belief system. If you come from an authoritarian background, you are taught from a young age not to question authority and are punished if you do.

I do think some people are highly aware and exploit people. Others may not understand the underlying mechanisms, but they can smell it a mile away and use it to their advantage.

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kittenfordinner t1_j1ale08 wrote

your over thinking it. Remember when you were 7 or 8 years old? and you thought that you were right and everyone who thought you were wrong was an idiot? There is nothing more to understand, my buddy was bitching about the government making people do something or whatever, and I asked about how come they all were insisting on MAKING people swear to the flag, and say "under God" in school. He was like "I don't understand why anyone would not want to say the pledge of allegiance" It didn't compute, didn't matter. They want to win, they are right, you are wrong, the principles which they hold dear only apply, like the bible, if and when they want them to and how they want them too. Don't over think it, people, like animals, do what they do

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Main_Dirt_7302 t1_j1br6px wrote

Thanks yeah... That makes sense. What do you think the equivalent of this is on the more liberal side of the political spectrum? Like something where there's a massive level of bs but the group writ large is totally ambivalent to it???

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kittenfordinner t1_j1c03dy wrote

I'm sure their are lots of things , probably some of the more dumbass woke people, like the people who think sayings like "the pot calling the kettle black" is racist. There is no apples to apples comparison though. Because the crazies don't make it all the way to the too. Right now being a nut job is requisite to gathering favor among the right wingers. So it's really a totally different environment that we all are living in

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boxsmith91 t1_j1amlz9 wrote

It's backfiring to some extent though. Most libertarians no longer align themselves with Republicans anymore, especially in light of roe v Wade.

Source: have libertarian friend. Maybe a few, though it's never been super clear with some of them.

And just to be clear, I think libertarianism is stupid for many reasons. We just don't talk politics much and that's how we get along.

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Main_Dirt_7302 t1_j1bros3 wrote

Yeah that makes sense. Reconciling the following is likely to just piss them off::: wanting laws that result in throwing a women in jail for having an abortion after being raped by her father VS protesting laws for the right to go have lunch at Olive Garden (a private company) during the height of the pandemic without proof of vaccination...(my body my choice)

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WTF_is_this___ t1_j1atwxa wrote

When a republican politician says something you can safely assume the opposite is true.

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