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spicytoastaficionado t1_j6xqjpo wrote
The majority of them are not legitimate asylum seekers. This has been the trend going back almost a decade when economic migrants first started abusing the asylum system en masse.
For instance, the other day there was a story about migrants selling candy on trains. One of the migrants profiled was from Ecuador. While Ecuador has a lower standard of living than the U.S., it is hard to believe an Ecuadorian has a valid asylum claim going by the USCIS criteria.
misterferguson t1_j6y4g9z wrote
I saw that article. Did they specify that the Ecuadorian person was applying for asylum?
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6zk5md wrote
The migrants profiled in the article arrived in NYC by bus within the last two weeks. One of them specifically described trekking to the U.S. via Mexico and receiving aid from a shelter worker.
The migrants being bussed to NYC are those who have been released into the country by CPD as their asylum cases are pending.
They aren't here as tourists, and obviously not in the country on a school or work visa. An Ecuadorian national going through the conventional means for legally immigrating here (green card, etc.) wouldn't be selling candy on the subway while living at a city shelter.
Did they specifically say they are applying for asylum? No. But there is enough in the article to logically deduce that is how they ended up here.
Similarly to how every article about migrants at hotels don't specify if every single person there is applying for asylum, when it is pretty obvious that is the case.
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drpvn OP t1_j6xsd6g wrote
We need to overhaul the system for adjudicating asylum claims. Claims that are facially invalid should be bounced within a month or two, rather than 4-5 years.
occasional_cynic t1_j6y6al2 wrote
Within a decade we are going to start to see developed nations withdraw from the Geneva Convention on refugees. There's no easy answers, as I find it impossible to blame the migrants, but this problem is just going to get worse, and so far the reaction of politicians has been to pretend it isn't a problem.
supermechace t1_j6yalnq wrote
There's other factors like need for population and labor pool growth that prevent politicians from being 100% against. The US should adopt a EU style approach to south America to control migration. EU still has refugees problems as it's connected to the rest of the world. But the Americas are separated by oceans so the main migration concern is limited
Meowdl21 t1_j6xt3l7 wrote
The immigrant clearly know they’re economic migrants. It’s the “advocates” that are trying to convince us they’re asylum seekers. Granted I completely support him wanting to provide for his family.
Imaginary-Bread1829 t1_j6ynlf3 wrote
I agree, no harm to him for that, but yk, there’s also a lot valid places for economic migrants. In Lebanon, the government has stolen all the money from their citizens via the banks. There’s electricity there for a few hours a day, and sometimes they even have trouble with electricity in the hospitals. People are legit having to hold up banks to gain access to their money to pay for cancer treatments, and the job market is pretty bad. It’s been insanely hard for Lebanese people to get visas or apply for asylum in the States.
I know comparing doesn’t make these migrants need it any less, but it’s frustrating when a lot of people need economic asylum, & those that get the chance, seem ungrateful or just being over the top of the sake of it, because they have advocates.
occasional_cynic t1_j6xx8e8 wrote
90%+ are economic migrants. Southern and Central America has suffered under overpopulation, corruption, and failed economies for so long that even working a menial job in the US is a better option. Then migrants and smugglers started discovering if you just claim asylum it is easier to get into the country.
Shreddersaurusrex t1_j6yc6su wrote
Then there’s the matter of the US’ interference and involvement in the destabilization of SA countries
BakedBread65 t1_j6yqozp wrote
And allowing mass migration of talented and able bodied workers from those countries is not going to help them
occasional_cynic t1_j6ydubv wrote
I mean, the Soviet Union and Cuba did a great deal more (and then there is Spanish colonialism and the lack of creating domestic institutions), but you cannot blame every problem on external factors.
Shreddersaurusrex t1_j6ye6c9 wrote
Having a holistic view of the situation is important though.
Imaginary-Bread1829 t1_j6ythu1 wrote
Understandably, but blaming other counties only simplifies a complex situation. Ireland was under British control for centuries. Even up to the 20th century, they imposed trade barriers & high tariffs. The Irish economy was awful in the 1980s, but was able to recover in the 1990s, due to government policies that benefited the country & the shift to a different-focused economy.
The best biggest factor to blame is current government corruption and the leaders those poor citizens have to lean on.
movingtobay2019 t1_j6yfl2h wrote
Not relevant to our immigration policy. Like it or not, countries act in their best interest.
Oisschez t1_j6zyn3a wrote
It’s absolutely relevant, we can stop doing the things that create asylum seekers in the first place.
Shrugging our shoulders that “it is how it is, nothing we can do” is leading our world down too many bad paths
BATMAN_UTILITY_BELT t1_j6ylo8f wrote
Sovereignty and the rule of law are infinitely more important than a “holistic view”.
Imaginary-Bread1829 t1_j6yqm3t wrote
How did the U.S. destabilize SA countries? Economically, Latin America didn’t open up international markets until the 1980s, after the Latin American debt crisis. The continent was pretty self-sufficient. Granted, globally(it wasn’t the U.S. alone) they weren’t offered the best trading deals, but I think the lack of organized government has been worse for the people.
The governments have driven a lot of businesses out of the countries, been unable to impose an uncorrupt taxing system and mishandled a lot of government funds. I think you can blame the U.S. for a lot of global problems, but at a certain point blaming the United States is just a scapegoat for bigger internal problems that seem impossible to fix.
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Rottimer t1_j6zefrp wrote
Shh, shh, shhh - we don't address underlying issues or root causes in this sub.
koreamax t1_j6zan62 wrote
Especially if you left your family back home. You can't claim to fear for your life if you're fine with leaving your children there
PuzzleheadedWalrus71 t1_j6xn96f wrote
It doesn't seem to matter that they don't know what constitutes a valid asylum claim, our government knows. If our government doesn't care, why should they?
NihFin t1_j6y6rq0 wrote
Always has been - they just claim asylum because they think the government is gullible
Ysr_racer t1_j723yql wrote
Have you seen our President?
Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j6z39s1 wrote
They have a great idea. They know that by the time this is adjudicated they will have made the money they were expecting and will go back home. The entire system is a sham.
koreamax t1_j6zatr3 wrote
Especially if you left your family back home. You can't claim to fear for your life if you're fine with leaving your children there
movingtobay2019 t1_j6yhgje wrote
That was always the case. Most asylum cases are denied.
NECOMONY t1_j6yef40 wrote
We’ve known this the whole time.
[deleted] t1_j70iupg wrote
Enlightenment.
I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to work and they are desperate to work, but it should be done legally. At the rate they’re coming it sounds like South America is Afghanistan during regime change. It may be bad, but it’s not as bad as it seems. Not great, but they have it great compared to those guys in the Sudan.
Bandejita t1_j71m733 wrote
This is not South America. This is a select few country from South America and people from Mexico and Central America.
[deleted] t1_j71me2u wrote
Venezuelan people are from South America.
Bandejita t1_j71mkeo wrote
Exactly. They are ONE country in south America. Pick on the country instead of the continent. You'll be doing us a favor down here.
[deleted] t1_j74sm93 wrote
Open your boarders and let them come south and west.
Maybe if Mexico didn’t let itself turn into a crime and drug ridden shit hole things would be better, but they just let the cartel run things.
Bandejita t1_j74tq38 wrote
Nah we accepted enough migrants. Now it's your turn. Maybe if Americans bought less drugs Mexican cartels would have less power.
atyppo t1_j77im86 wrote
Perhaps if fewer Mexican politicians accepted bribes it wouldn't be in the condition it's in. The corruption goes all the way up to the presidential level, as evidenced by the coddling of El Chapo's mother and the release of Salvador Cienfuegos.
Bandejita t1_j77j17t wrote
Perhaps if there was no money to bribe them with it would be different. But the money comes from selling drugs to the US so you guys are indirectly funding said corruption.
[deleted] t1_j74x8sq wrote
Funny.
Ysr_racer t1_j723tsh wrote
Please don't bring logic and reason into an internet discussion.
myassholealt t1_j72v5da wrote
Asylum claim is the one that gets you in the door, so of course that's what everyone is gonna try. If I was trying to migrate, I would choose the path that most increase my odds too.
Overstaying tourist visas is the easiest option, but not everyone has the means to qualify for the visa in the first place.
iknowyouright t1_j6xxckg wrote
Everyone's pissed about "economics migrants" when the most likely scenario (unless you're black or indigenous) is that everyone's ancestors to this country were a form of "economic migrant." That's the entire purported purpose of this country.
Give me your tired, your POOR, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
Grass8989 t1_j6xxlf1 wrote
A poem isn’t immigration policy, and claiming asylum isn’t the proper protocol for immigrating to this country for economic reasons.
As nice as it would for us to be able to absorb the entire worlds poor population, it’s not feasible.
iknowyouright t1_j6xyf39 wrote
Downvote all you people want, but we had no real immigration policy until the Chinese exclusion act, which was based on racism, and then the country-specific immigration quotas, which targeted undesirable populations (notably, those countries just happened to be where the majority of Jews had immigrated from, almost completely halting Jewish immigration to the states).
If your ancestors came before the 1880s they were almost guaranteed to be "economic migrants" but there was no law stopping them from coming. So now in 2023 we look with disdain on people coming for the exact same reasons because....reasons.
Grass8989 t1_j6y00c3 wrote
They also weren’t provided with housing in hotels, medical care, and three meals a day in 1880.
iknowyouright t1_j6y0e7q wrote
How dare we become more humane as the wealthiest, most powerful nation in the world.
The last time these "economic migrants" stopped coming our produce was rotting in the fields. Be grateful you don't have to do the backbreaking, underpaid labor that keeps this country running and instead get to look down on the people that do.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6y3zju wrote
>The last time these "economic migrants" stopped coming our produce was rotting in the fields. Be grateful you don't have to do the backbreaking, underpaid labor that keeps this country running and instead get to look down on the people that do.
You do realize this is a terrible justification for mass migration, right?
I remember Kelly Osbourne made the same argument about how illegal immigrants are needed in this country to clean toilets.
It is also a de facto endorsement of specifically illegal immigration, since that underpaid labor you support them doing is underpaid because the people performing the jobs can't legally work.
Viewing the value of migrants in this country as solely a source of cheap, often illegal labor, is pretty racist.
It is 2023.
Be better.
Be an anti-racist.
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j6y6xu8 wrote
Always cracks me up when liberal/progressives end up advocating for slavery
>”we need illegals to do illegal labor (that also harms unions) in unregulated labor markets where they can be treated illegally because they’re not able to obtain help through the system and the employers know that.”
Illegal immigrant manual labor is the closest thing to slavery that we still have
iknowyouright t1_j6y5sye wrote
You’re just shoving words in my mouth and calling me a racist.
Plenty of LEGAL immigrants work in almost every labor-intensive industry in this country. That’s our history and current economic reality and pretending it’s not isn’t anti-racist.. If you think I mean illegal immigrants being disposable labor, you can fuck right off. My family is comprised of migrants who came to this country to make a better life for themselves.
You’re also skating the point that US-borne citizens look down on the migrants keeping this country running. Entire industries in this country depend on immigration (not just illegal immigration). And there’s plenty of ways legal migrants get fucked over - looking at the entire HB1 visa program.
So what? You want to send all these people packing instead of letting them come here and build a better life? That’s your idea of being anti-racist? Deport them?
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6yhgte wrote
Be better.
Xenophobia and advocating workplace exploitation will not solve the migrant crisis.
Your racism is heartbreaking and disturbing on multiple levels. These are human beings; not just disposable sources of cheap labor!
iknowyouright t1_j6yjvwt wrote
Just go ahead and ignore everything I wrote and ignore actual reality. I’m assuming you’ve never worked manual labor jobs like I have with actual real migrants, annd with my own family, and your exposure to this entire situation is through the internet. Have a good day.
Solagnas t1_j71yqgv wrote
"140 years later and things are different"
Yeah no shit.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6y2kgh wrote
>is that everyone's ancestors to this country were a form of "economic migrant."
Yes, once upon a time, people immigrated to this country as economic migrants and declared themselves as such.
Not sure what that has to do with modern-day economic migrants exploiting the asylum system in 2023.
Pointing to how something used to be is not a valid reason for exploiting current laws.
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>Give me your tired, your POOR, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
It is almost like immigration policy is more nuanced than a poem written on a statue gifted to us by the French, who by the way, have a stricter immigration system than we do.
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j6y6dc6 wrote
Going to an untamed new world (literally the New World) where no functioning infrastructure/jobs/cities/towns/roads exist, where you an almost 0% chance of dying by old age, is no economic immigration. It was conquest (for better or for worse, and in the traditional sense of the word).
Also a poem written in 1883 and added to the statue in the 1900s is not how immigration policy work. The poem means literally nothing from a legislative view.
Your take is so historically illiterate that it’s genuinely sad. Please read a book. https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/colonial-settlement-1600-1763/
iknowyouright t1_j6ychtx wrote
Genuine hilarious you think there weren’t towns and cities and an economy run by the indigenous, or that you think Jews escaping the destitution of the Pale of Settlement is the same as British colonial troops orchestrating genocide for conquest.
Please read a book.
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j6yojyq wrote
Pretty much every Iroquois, Algonquin, and any other eastern / mid Atlantic tribe was transient, it was the South American natives that had built anything close to what we could describe as a city. The largest native city north of Mexico was in Illinois and had practically collapsed more than 400 years before Columbus ever even saw the American coast from his ships. Literally not a single white European settler or colonist came to America to “work in the bustling Native American cities” as you seem to think, because those cities did not exist.
Please do yourself a favor and try to figure out why you did not know this.
CarlCarbonite t1_j6xdkse wrote
Id really like to know what the end game plan is? Do we stop taking migrants? Do we give them homes over long term New Yorkers who deserve it more? Do we continue to spend millions of dollars funding their hotel stays?
drpvn OP t1_j6xgxmb wrote
There’s no exit plan. It’s a disaster.
IAmGoingToSleepNow t1_j6xhkmt wrote
There sure is a plan. Whine about how it's a 'Southern State problem' until the feds make them stop sending buses here. Problem solved!
drpvn OP t1_j6xihem wrote
If the feds have the authority to make southern and southwestern states stop busing migrants here, then it’s an outrage that the city hasn’t filed a lawsuit against those states yet.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6xr4h0 wrote
>If the feds have the authority to make southern and southwestern states stop busing migrants here
The federal government cannot prevent freedom of movement of migrants they have released into the country.
The federal government also cannot prevent any state government from offering people free bus rides.
The migrants being bussed here are not in federal custody, and despite the rhetoric from r/politics and some on r/nyc about "hUmAn TrAfFiCKiNG", every single one of them is agreeing to come to NYC as it is a friendlier jurisdiction than TX.
This is a problem the federal government brought upon themselves by rescinding Migrant Protection Protocols ("Remain in Mexico") and allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants to enter the country every month.
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>then it’s an outrage that the city hasn’t filed a lawsuit against those states yet.
Adams had been "mulling" legal action since August LOL.
drpvn OP t1_j6y0ym4 wrote
NY has no problems filing litigation of questionable merit of the politics suit it.
gatogrande t1_j6xobfn wrote
Do you not remember the feds were flying them to westchester last spring/summer...in the wee hrs?
PuzzleheadedWalrus71 t1_j6xmq3e wrote
They aren't sanctuary cities so they can report undocumented immigrants whereas NYC would not. Maybe the feds don't want these undocumented immigrants to be reported, so they support having them sent to sanctuary cities.
drpvn OP t1_j6xn1wu wrote
My understanding is that these migrants have all filed asylum claims. That distinguishes them from undocumented immigrants subject to deportation.
IAmGoingToSleepNow t1_j6xq4y6 wrote
Yup. That's the way it's done now. There's no risking your life to sneak across a desert anymore. Walk across the border and tell BP that you feared for your life. Free ride to town and off you go.
That's why 40% of asylum seekers don't bother showing up for their hearing.
drpvn OP t1_j6xrca4 wrote
Unfortunately it takes 4-5 years before asylum claims are adjudicated.
Curiosities t1_j6xu3wd wrote
Because the GOP refuses to adequately fund the system/migration courts. They want to keep their 'border crisis' strategy.
Not that underfunding of the courts is a one party problem. Getting a trial in NYC takes years at this point. Yet if the courts work as they need to, then certain people who love to prey upon those who don't know what bail reform actually is won't be able to use these things as wedge issues. At least not as effectively.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6xvx7l wrote
>Because the GOP refuses to adequately fund the system/migration courts. They want to keep their 'border crisis' strategy.
GOP doesn't support these bills because they come packaged with broad amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants. That is as much of a poison pill for the GOP as a republican bill including more funding for increased deportation would be a non-starter for Democrats.
There has not been a democrat-sponsored immigration bill introduced in the past 5+ years that did not include a multi-million person amnesty.
Democrats had a federal trifecta for 2 years, yet not a single immigration bill Schumer or Pelosi brought out for consideration was narrowly tailored to immigration court funding.
GOP leadership doesn't favor such "skinny" bills either, so they are also at-fault.
Bangkok_Dangeresque t1_j73ga5b wrote
That's not how the policy works anymore.
You can't just roll up to border. There's an app used to file claims before departing, and if you just show up at port of entry without an appointment for your claim, or you are caught crossing the border illegally you get expelled back to Mexico, with some exceptions for unaccompanied minors, etc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/us/politics/biden-border-crossings.html
PuzzleheadedWalrus71 t1_j6xnqno wrote
I doubt that all these people being bused here have filed asylum claims.
drpvn OP t1_j6xo4oj wrote
It’s been my assumption but I don’t have a source one way or the other. Seems like a legitimate question.
Deluxe78 t1_j6xvpl9 wrote
they'll do that as soon as the fed stops the one way bus tickets from port authority bus terminal to small town USA
batgamerman t1_j71apuq wrote
Well their busing them here because the leadership proudly admits NYC is a sanctuary city if Eric admits it's not it could stop but democrats are too prideful to admit their wrong
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j71llwc wrote
Don't worry! That legal firecracker Tish James is on it! /s
gatogrande t1_j6xlcme wrote
deportation of illegals is a thing...well, used to be
LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_j6xv9dx wrote
The plan is they will get on full welfare
Housing , food stamps , health insurance, cash assistance and metro card.
And you the tax payer will Pay for all of it along with any other Sucker middle class working man or woman in your family
So get your cathart jacket Son u have people to Feed free food and housing
photochic1124 t1_j6xyetk wrote
This common and frustrating misconception really annoys me. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR MOST OF THESE PROGRAMS no matter how often the media likes you to think they are.
Source-I am the spouse of an immigrant and am a firsthand witness to the ins and outs of the immigration system.
Grass8989 t1_j6xz0ug wrote
They’re essentially being provided with that now, do we keep putting them up in hotels and providing them with 3 meals a day and medical care for 4 years while the asylum courts go through their back log?
External-Ad-5332 t1_j7ggm1p wrote
And their kids attend public school as well! That Americans have paid for.
photochic1124 t1_j6y0dm7 wrote
This is a temporary solution to a long term problem and to be clear I'm not saying we should be bleeding money in to this sitation. We are technically sheltering the homeless. Because they happen to be asylum seekers, everyone just looks at it as "giving handouts to illegals."
I'm talking about the mainstream belief that "illegals" can just get on medicaid and food stamps and cash benefits, etc when they literally cannot do that.
If we as a society actually wanted to fix this problem, we would work on housing our local homeless population and fixing the very broken immigration system, freeing up space and resources so we weren't faced with this crises to begin with. But we choose not to do that.
movingtobay2019 t1_j6yg2c5 wrote
Why couldn't they do that with a fake social security number?
Flivver_King t1_j71n335 wrote
> This is a temporary solution to a long term problem and to be clear I'm not saying we should be bleeding money in to this sitation.
Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution.
misterferguson t1_j6y5mwz wrote
Yes and no. As I understand it, it depends largely on how you define who is on the receiving end of benefits. For example, immigrants who come with children or who have children after arriving, become eligible for a host of benefits. While technically some of these benefits are specifically for the benefit of the child (who is in many cases a US citizen proper), it's murky to determine exactly how much the parents are actually benefiting themselves from these programs.
I'm not really disagreeing with your original point. Just pointing out that it's not exactly as clear cut as "not a citizen, no benefits".
burnbabyburnburrrn t1_j6ygz3l wrote
But like I think we’re all in agreement that we are not going to bitch and moan about taking care of CHILDREN right? like - yes, thank god we can take care of them.
misterferguson t1_j6yh3ux wrote
No, but I think it’s still important to be honest about what is going on.
Imaginary-Bread1829 t1_j6yykn0 wrote
To an extent, it’s care children they don’t need. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of new immigrants, the community already established there helps out the new-comers. I know so many businesses that have an employee, that on paper makes 30k so they qualify for all the programs, but under the table at least makes 90k. In high school I worked in a supermarket, the managers would be paying with food stamps for their lunch but talking about buying their wives Louis Vuitton bags in Italy during their recent vacations. I remember once the EBT system was down after thanksgiving & I was apologizing to one of my managers that couldn’t pay for their stuff with the card, saying it’s unfair to do this to people that need it, but he was quick to tell me he doesn’t need it but it helps. He would also lie about other people being on food stamps, targeting black women, especially. Openly racist, misogynistic, classist, and very fake people. When people came in & it was always “My friend” but the second they left, they would call every customer a fucking asshole.
Trust me, they weren’t nice & honest people. They were entitled assholes, a lot of them. Not all immigrants are like that, some of my closest friends are immigrants or have married immigrants. I have a lot of respect for immigrants that come to America, because it’s not an easy thing to do. At the end of the day though, people are people, and will act the way they were brought up because they’re conditioned. Economic insecurity can really create an ‘everyone for themselves’ type mentality and it can be insanely frustrating to witness.
I would love to live in a socialist community, where the government helps people that need it. The problem is being America, land of immigration with people coming from all over, it’s hard to cultivate a collectivist society where everyone contributes where they need to & is able to receive what they need. Because of inefficient bureaucratic management, a lot of those that actually need it will get overlooked & those that don’t need it will get approved, which naturally creates resentment
LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_j6y40hb wrote
NOT YET !!!
NOT YET !!! u hear me !!!
U A MIDDLE CLASS MAN IN NYC AND YOUR BACK HURTS OR U DEPRESSED OH WELL GUESS WHAT NO ONE GIVES A DAME CAUSE U MAKE OVER 35k a year
againblahisnothere t1_j6ysms6 wrote
Not a misconception. https://www.nyc.gov/site/hra/about/immigration-faqs.page there are people abusing the welfare system in NY. Not many but a pocket of people
stork38 t1_j72ecnv wrote
> THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR MOST OF THESE PROGRAMS
Are their children?
IAmGoingToSleepNow t1_j71iobk wrote
I don't know about cash assistance and metro cards, but they absolutely are getting lodging, food, and medicaid.
External-Ad-5332 t1_j7ggj2r wrote
Don't the kids attend public school with U.S. citizens' children? How much of that tax money did the illegals contribute to the educational system in New York?
CarlCarbonite t1_j6xy7cj wrote
Should I grab myself a hardhat and stick some Union stickers on it sir? 🫡
LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_j6y42j2 wrote
Hahahaha YEAH BRO 😎
meshflesh40 t1_j74nquu wrote
+work under table and don't pay taxes. Its a great deal
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Major_Supermarket_57 t1_j70n51l wrote
Are you from NYC at all? I’m volunteering to help the migrant families that have been assigned to my child’s public school and after they got their NYC ID they are eligible for free healthcare for which they have signed up (both kids and adults), just like any destitute person in NYC, you don’t need to be a permanent legal resident or citizen to be covered if you’re destitute, just a NYC resident which you can prove with your NYC ID which in turn only needs proof of address. I’m not passing judgement for or against, but while the country may not provide Medicare or benefits the city certainly does.
LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_j6yngi2 wrote
It’s not I voted democrat I want them to get more money and more hosing and more free snap and even some free Finical aid so they can go to college for free
You are the greedy rich one
SD_taco_padre t1_j6xzaae wrote
You can't get any of that shit without a social security number.
againblahisnothere t1_j6yt9jw wrote
It’s not that hard to get a social security number. There are multiple ways to do it- some of them illegal.
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_j6ygyq6 wrote
If you ask the immigrants virtually zero want handouts. They just want to be able to compete in the job market. The large majority are here for economic reasons, not really refugees fleeing a war zone.
DifficultyNext7666 t1_j6yokfr wrote
i imagine they are smart enough to say im not here for free shit
LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_j6yi0y5 wrote
U right these one ain’t asking for anything
Give us your poor and hungry and we will feed em forever
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_j71k7js wrote
Every immigrant I ever met were generally the hardest working people. Not sure where all of these welfare queen immigrants you are talking about are. All I have ever seen is immigrants who work very hard at jobs I don't want to do.
KingofthisShit t1_j6yq1lt wrote
NYC and state politicians will change nothing that entices them to come up here in mass. All they'll do is complain about is how the federal government should help to fund housing/taking care of these economic migrants.
bittoxic00 t1_j6ywtcj wrote
The plan is to let the next politician worry about it after the current one leaves office
lossandstatic t1_j6yjgfw wrote
The nation as a whole would benefit from an increase in judges at the border to hear these asylum cases. The court system is the biggest bottleneck in this process.
cty_hntr t1_j6xyly6 wrote
I thought Mayor Adams was using the migrant issue to get billions in funding from the Federal government. Couple of millions now, and reap a windfall that benefits everyone involved in housing the migrants, except the migrants themselves.
Sk8ngWST t1_j6xzyae wrote
Btw, it's a milli $$ per day basis
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Figbud t1_j6yo6xx wrote
I'm guessing to help those countries improve so that people don't feel the need to migrate at mass just to have a chance at life.
Candid_Yam_5461 t1_j71a6td wrote
Why not just give every New Yorker, old and new, a home? There’s more than enough units in the city.
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MartyMohoJr t1_j6xwpf6 wrote
you must pay for jose
Bandejita t1_j71n15l wrote
And now you know why Colombia was pissed when they arrived asking for things.
Desterado t1_j6ybzws wrote
Your bio and this post are at odds.
photochic1124 t1_j6xz8h6 wrote
They're not illegal. Asylum is legal. If you don't like that you should try to enact mass immigration reform to increase the # of visas and greencards available and to process applications faster.
FamousFatSals t1_j6yn8fu wrote
The dude quoted in the article even admitted he’s here as an economic migrant.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6y1vo6 wrote
For context, think about the migrant crisis in the city, and then imagine the equivalent to 10-20% of NYC's population getting bused here every single month.
That is what communities in El Paso have been dealing with for the past 2+ years.
Also why the notion that border towns and states magically have the infrastructure to handle mass migration is not based in reality.
That mythical "federal aid" everyone talks about are grants given to nonprofits that is typically earmarked for short-term aid.
There is no consistent stream of federal $$$ for long-term migrant expenses, as NY is soon going to find out.
im_not_bovvered t1_j6y7mib wrote
>That is what communities in El Paso have been dealing with for the past 2+ years.
Don't they get federal resources deal with it? Also NYC also has an illegal immigration problem... they just come on planes and quietly stay.
movingtobay2019 t1_j6yg9ie wrote
It's a couple thousand dollars for each migrant. No where near enough for any city to handle this.
im_not_bovvered t1_j6yi0az wrote
There needs to be a solution. But to act like NYC doesn't have an illegal immigrant issue is also wrong. It's not like these people being bussed here are the only illegal immigrants here.
I'm totally fine with migrants being sent here as long as we get Federal help - because right now NYC taxpayers are footing this bill. And we already pay more into the tax system than, say, people in Texas.
sexychineseguy t1_j715yrx wrote
> And we already pay more into the tax system than, say, people in Texas.
And Bezos pays more in sales tax than all your taxes combined.
Wealthier people pay more taxes. NYC has a lot of rich people. Unless you're saying that shouldn't be the case and billionaires should get a flat tax that's not based on income?
im_not_bovvered t1_j71yqvu wrote
You think everyone who lives in NYC is wealthy? Lol ok.
Also:
https://www.businessinsider.com/26-billionaires-paid-fraction-in-taxes-average-american-owes-2022-5
My middle class ass is sitting here subsidizing the bad decisions of red states while I work 70 hours a week. But go off.
sexychineseguy t1_j75oyv6 wrote
> My middle class ass is sitting here subsidizing the bad decisions of red states while I work 70 hours a week. But go off.
So you pay more taxes than a billionaire does? Bullshit. Billionaires pay more in any of sales tax, payroll tax, RE tax, etc than you do.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6yi5po wrote
Again, federal humanitarian resources amount to grants provided to national nonprofits like United Way and Catholic Charities, who then disperse the funds to local charity networks.
These grants are useful for short-term aid when migrants first arrive, but it is not enough for anything long-term.
It is also millions of dollars in aid when billions are needed.
im_not_bovvered t1_j6yjqgj wrote
Then billions should be granted. But Texas is getting, for example, and using Federal money (they used plenty of coronavirus aid for migrant purposes) and places like NYC are getting the money from taxpayers.
I don't know why people automatically think NYC is a-ok with illegal immigration. But border states are spending their own money to stick it to other states.
NYC gets plenty of illegal immigration. Also, border states in the south cry about having illegal immigrants but who is employing these people? Why are employers not cracked down on for employing people for cheap labor? I'm all for something being done but it has to be comprehensive. Sending migrants up north to "stick it to the libs" while illegal immigrants are employed to do labor nobody else wants to do isn't going to help anything or anyone.
Figbud t1_j6yoeus wrote
It's not an illegal immigration problem it's a having opportunities for a decent life thing ✨
im_not_bovvered t1_j6ypu6r wrote
It is an illegal immigration problem. People visit and overstay their visas and just blend in all the time. People bring their families over.
Not everyone is an asylum seeker - I sympathize with people wanting better lives, but there are plenty of citizens who we need to provide with better lives first. NYC does not have the resources.
Figbud t1_j6yql24 wrote
Ok I thought you were against undocumented immigration as a whole concept, I didn't realize you were pointing out an urgency problem
im_not_bovvered t1_j6y76wf wrote
Honestly, good. And why these people are getting priority for shelter ahead of services for our homeless citizens is beyond me. I realize we have a lot of homeless who refuse help, but the city needs to try harder before throwing all of our money at these people. I want to help them, but when they start making demands and refusing to leave, my patience as a taxpayer runs really short.
pddkr1 t1_j6yk2s0 wrote
Gonna share some perspective here - as someone who moved from a southern state to NY, you guys are getting a taste of the problem. If you want to sort it out, accept that the rhetoric, the talk, is just talk. Either co-sign a means to solve the border issue, or accept that this talk of being a sanctuary city means you have to finally carry your weight.
I love how diverse where I came from and where I am both are, but the adults in the room need to acknowledge that there are no means on hand to house and care for the thousands of migrants coming every day. If you’re one to disagree, opt in to the solution on a moral and personal level. Donate, volunteer, and open up your homes.
It’s a legitimate crisis and the echo chamber people here in NYC live in is utterly unproductive. You’re getting a taste of the problem and you see on this sub how quickly the rhetoric is changing. I’m all for taxing people their fair share, but what about electing to solve the actual problem? We can quibble over nomenclature some other time, but until people here acknowledge that they’re driving the problem, those buses will keep coming. There’s no moral outrage that’s justified when someone asks a migrant if they want a bus ticket to New York and they say yes.
You guys created this part of the crisis, it’s time to walk the walk. Figure it out.
Bandejita t1_j71nwf8 wrote
And as a Colombian, you Americans are getting a taste of the problem as well. All the talk about humanitarian and when you are subject to the same pressures as us neighboring countries in Latin America that have had to deal with this issue, you pull back. Imagine the real crisis if all Latin American countries just closed their borders to these people and the fury at the UN.
thatisnotmyknob t1_j6ynps8 wrote
I have a friend who has a genuine reasons for applying for asylum (gay Russian) and he's been told to never take any aide (medicaid, foodstamps etc) because it would jeopardize his case.
Aside from the fact they're openly admitting here they are here for economic reasons...aren't they jeopardizing their cases by being in shelters?
BeMoreChill t1_j6y7ro6 wrote
“They give us bottled water but it’s trash Dasani!” -illegal migrants probably
Dreambellah t1_j6y4sdv wrote
I can't blame them, I always wanted to live in Manhattan but with studios being 3k, I couldn't afford it. If I had a free hotel room, and didn't have to stress about food and rent, I would be kicking and screaming, that's a sweet freaking deal. Some Americans can't even afford to stay in midtown unless they have six roommates living with them. But with that said, idk how they expect these people to get out of the system in NYC. You need 40 times the rent, a high credit score, and proof of work history/income to actually live here. I know some are doing uber eats but thats not going to get you a 3k a month studio, and I'm not sure if roommates would even take that risk. I really don't see how these people will survive if they kick them out into the real NYC, and I think they know that, which is why they're fighting everyone about it, even other migrants with kids. It's every man for themselves at this point..
Edit: Then you have to think about their education. Will they have a good enough education to get a good job or will they be working 5 minimum wage jobs to make their skyrocketing rental payments. They should honestly be sent to a low cost of living state just to build work history, income, and possibly a saving, that's extremely hard to do when working minimum wage in NYC. Everything is high here.
DisasterFartiste t1_j6yqrnw wrote
Oh my god my credit took a nose dive last year and it took me 3 months to find an apartment that would accept me. I make 6 figures and had a guarantor with an almost perfect credit score who makes 3x my salary. I’ve been renting for over a decade and never had any legal issues. Shit is wild in Manhattan.
Listening to all this after going through that hell of not knowing if I’d ever find a place to live was truly kind of depressing lol.
im_not_bovvered t1_j6y7q4v wrote
>, I always wanted to live in Manhattan but with studios being 3k
Lol my 500 ft studio is under $1,500. In Manhattan.
Dreambellah t1_j6y87id wrote
Wow. What part? I've only sent rent controlled apartments that low or people who have a lease from like the '70s. Please share.
im_not_bovvered t1_j6y8jsc wrote
Washington Heights to the top of Inwood - you can find some good stuff, especially around the Ft. George area. I'm also not an outlier.
Dreambellah t1_j6y9l2a wrote
Ah, Washington heights. That's super cheap up there. They can afford to live there. I was thinking hotel locations where they're at now ( UWS, Midtown, and FiDi, HK, etc.)
im_not_bovvered t1_j6yago6 wrote
It’s still Manhattan.
Dreambellah t1_j6yayvx wrote
No you're totally right. It's Manhattan. They can totally afford that with a few jobs or even roommates if they can get passed the rental requirements.
Infectious_force t1_j6xwb87 wrote
Thank God.... bout fucking time. All these convos about what's right we have homeless veterans in the street of this city and they should come first.... fuck these do nothing non contributing invaders.... no state should have to deal with this... BIDEN where are you do something... showed up here the other day cause a shit ton of traffic talked about infrastructure and left.... where's border security 🤔 to hell with the federal government 💯
bbien12 t1_j6zqtow wrote
lmao protest to get work permits. They will be very surprised to learn process to obtain green card is very long, and very expensive
drpvn OP t1_j6x72sv wrote
> Through WhatsApp messages and in-person word-of-mouth, those who had been to the terminal had given unappealing accounts to those camping out at the Watson: that the shelter was cold, without adequate places to safely store their possessions, and that they’d be sleeping on cots.
>Some migrants chose to brave another cold night, while others took their chances at the Brooklyn terminal.
>“To be suffering like this, why?” said Kennedy Gonzalez, a 37-year-old Venezuelan, who decided to go to Red Hook after spending Tuesday night outside of the Watson. “One night and the cold weather was killing me. I didn’t come to The United States to suffer. I came here to work for my family.”
The_Question757 t1_j6xfgrj wrote
As opposed to the families they're making room for hence why he was moved to the Brooklyn terminal? Fuck off Kennedy Gonzalez. He got a roof over his head, food in his belly and they're pushing through work permits soon even after he broke the law to come here. Like the fucking entitlement
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KosherSloth t1_j6xgrw8 wrote
> I didn’t come to The United States to suffer. I came here to work for my family.
Lmao the dude just came out and said it.
drpvn OP t1_j6xgv4n wrote
Definitely going in the file for the asylum hearing.
movingtobay2019 t1_j6yglm0 wrote
Unfortunately, 3 years from now when the courts finally get to his asylum hearing and mark him for deportation, this fucker will go on social media and talk about the life he has built here and the woke/progressives will eat it all up.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j6xry7a wrote
>I didn’t come to The United States to suffer. I came here to work for my family.”
So you're an economic migrant who otherwise doesn't have a valid asylum claim.
Thanks for putting that on the record, Kenny.
thegameksk t1_j6xqce2 wrote
They come here and get hotels. Yet homeless citizens get thrown into shelters. This country is a 3rd world shitstain.
Imaginary-Bread1829 t1_j6z1mkc wrote
Exactly why this migrant situation gets me so upset. If New York was in a better place, like it was in 2018/2019, I wouldn’t care as much. But it’s just adding to problems at this point.
When the government finally gave back to us, the citizens, with stimulus checks they countered it by inflation & taxes.
thegameksk t1_j6zffin wrote
Pathetic checks at that
squall571 t1_j6xiqpw wrote
Good
KingofthisShit t1_j6yqc7q wrote
We need to stop being a sanctuary state.
TetraCubane t1_j6yd0ur wrote
We need to change our foreign policy to something that doesn't make people want to leave the country they live in.
We are paying the price of the bullshit we were doing in the 70s-80s.
We should not care if countries in Central America or South America want to be communist. Don't get involved.
We should not care if countries in Central America or South America want to be narco-states. Don't get involved.
Bandejita t1_j71pawy wrote
Nah the US is finally accepting some of the responsibility of all this. Latin American neighboring countries had to assume responsibility for these migrants with barely enough support from the UN. It's your turn now.
TetraCubane t1_j71r9if wrote
Yep.
Afghan refugees also. We should also be accepting anyone who wants asylum from there. Our little adventurism there in the last 20 years was a complete failure.
JustinMartry t1_j6yhv61 wrote
>We should not care if countries in Central America or South America want to be narco-states. Don't get involved.
Uh what? You're aware that the narcos like Escobar were making their millions by peddling their drugs into America ie Florida and that the violence that was wrought in Colombia was spilling over all the way to Miami right? Please read a history book once in awhile.
TetraCubane t1_j6ymtxl wrote
Yeah, and if we left him the fuck alone and decriminalized cocaine it wouldn't have caused more violence.
The War on Drugs was and is a failure and should have never happened. Nixon and Reagan are to blame.
JustinMartry t1_j6ymz5h wrote
.....There was already violence happening because violence is built into the drug trade by necessity and what a thing to say "Decriminalize cocaine"
TetraCubane t1_j6yobls wrote
You realize the tactics they used would be to fund one gang or cartel against another then eventually that gang/cartel becomes the bad guy.
We have people here in the US who want to consume cocaine. If you don't want Pablo Escobar to become a billionaire by making it and smuggling it here, you let Merck and Johnson&Johnson make it and sell it at CVS.
JustinMartry t1_j6ys1uq wrote
Grateful that you aren't in charge of any kind of policy making.
"Decriminalize cocaine"
Make that a bumper sticker.
TetraCubane t1_j6z39gl wrote
If the cost of cocaine plummets because big pharma is making it, that makes it no longer profitable or viable to smuggle.
People are gonna use it either way, no need to lock up people for it.
You should not get locked up for possessing or using any drug. Check out what Portugal has done.
BeMoreChill t1_j71btsg wrote
Big pharma makes heroin pills, how’d that go when doctors were handing them out like M&Ms?
Desterado t1_j77dful wrote
Did it destabilize other countries?
BeMoreChill t1_j71c5b8 wrote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
Also you should check out what Portugal has done. You’re not allowed to just do drugs willy nilly. They still seize tons of cocaine and you can still be fined
WikiSummarizerBot t1_j71c65e wrote
>The drug policy of Portugal, informally called the "drug strategy", was put in place in 2000, and came into effect in July 2001. Its purpose was to reduce the number of new HIV/AIDS cases in the country, as it was estimated around half of new cases came from injection drug use.
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jae34 t1_j6zqqlr wrote
At this point it's fair to admit that most these people are not here just because of shit sucks back home which is true but here for make a buck to support their families which means it isn't a valid asylum claim. This further strains the system for legitimate asylum seekers.
SumyungNam t1_j70f72s wrote
Lol entitled much we don't owe them anything
ECK-2188 t1_j6ygffz wrote
Surprise surprise
Wonder when the next batch will be here? Before summer most likely
[deleted] t1_j6ygxxg wrote
Literally bus them upstate and the rustbelt there’s houses in Syracuse for like 40k. This isn’t particularly difficult.
Desterado t1_j77d7nb wrote
So where do they work and how do they get around once they’re in Syracuse? What a poorly thought out solution. Also houses there aren’t 40k
waywardhours t1_j710fps wrote
good. 🤷🏼♂️
EyeSeeYou_Clairly t1_j6zptuc wrote
I knew this would’ve happened. 🫤
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Bandejita t1_j71navi wrote
The Americans were critical of the Colombian response to Venezuelan migrants, who were angry because they came to our country demanding things and rights that we couldn't even guarantee for our own people. The Americans urged us to continue receiving migrants with barely any financial help from you or other UN Nations. Now that the US is the recipient of said migration, they are angry for the same reason. Welcome to the club Americans. I can only hope that the streets don't become more dangerous for you, seeing as how without opportunities to work they will resort to other undesirable things to make money like they did here.
JesseRKnight t1_j7plb21 wrote
Isn't there a year long crime wave going on?
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indistinctchatter22 t1_j6yuv21 wrote
Holy shit, this is legitimately one of the things the United States excels at and has a huge competitive advantage over other countries because of and we’re fucking it up. Give them legal status, allow them to actually work real w2 jobs, profit. Immigrants (yes even unskilled ones) are an economic positive no caveats full stop. We’ve been doing it for hundreds of years and have reaped the benefits.
Chaosadhd t1_j6yvw3r wrote
The police once again working against the people
Desterado t1_j6yc81w wrote
When did this sub become so terribly conservative and just absolutely uncaring about human beings? God damn.
Desterado t1_j77d2nv wrote
Tons of downvotes not a single person defending how they view these people as subhuman. Stay classy folks.
Grass8989 t1_j6xjtqz wrote
“”I didn’t come to The United States to suffer. I came here to work for my family.””
I’m really convinced, at this point, that the vast majority of the migrants have no idea what constitutes a valid asylum claim, and are actually economic migrants.