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Speedyx t1_j6x3qgs wrote

I want to be outraged, but it seems the majority of it is from overturned convictions from decades ago. What can you do at this point.

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hau5keeping OP t1_j6x6bpx wrote

We could have the police pay for it out of their pensions, but they would literally riot before considering any mild reforms.

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Grass8989 t1_j6xkyuz wrote

Stop fearing mongering. Did the cops “riot” when they got body cams, bans on chokeholds, new discovery laws, ending stop and frisk?

You look ridiculous making this claim.

How about someone actually makes a valid argument of the “riots” that occured after these mild reforms instead of downvoting.

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chargeorge t1_j70dhnc wrote

I mean it literally happened in the past, its in the link. You also had pretty widespread police violence during the floyd protests (and no, not during the riots, kettling gassing and beating peaceful protesters). You've had repeated work stoppages, you've had police trying to foment a mob against shake shack employees. Hell they called in a huge fucking operation against someone for yelling at them.

Concern over a thing that happened in the past whle the NYPD continues to engage in bullshit is perfectly acceptable.

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Grass8989 t1_j70e5xl wrote

I was responding to “the cops will literally riot before considering any minor reform.” Which is completely false.

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chargeorge t1_j70efak wrote

Kettling peaceful protestors, gassing and beating them is close enough for me honestly.

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_j6x6dd4 wrote

Patrolmen's Benevolent Association Riot

>The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association Riot, also known as the City Hall Riot, was a rally organized and sponsored by the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association of the City of New York (PBA) held on September 16, 1992, to protest mayor David Dinkins' proposal to create a civilian agency to investigate police misconduct. Approximately 4,000 NYPD officers took part in a protest that included blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge and jumping over police barricades in an attempt to rush City Hall. Rioters were observed to be openly drinking, damaging cars, and physically attacking journalists from the New York Times on the scene.

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coldbruise t1_j6xnir5 wrote

Let them throw their tantrum again, this time for the whole world to see.

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Speedyx t1_j6x7pzl wrote

You do realize any shortfalls in the pension system the city still has to cover, so how is that going to work? And you are bringing up something from 30 years ago where i wouldn't be surprised if half the cops weren't even born yet, considering all the young face cops i always see.

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mowotlarx t1_j6x9h07 wrote

These cases aren't all from 30 years ago, what are you even talking about. The most recent case that the DA bungled was from a cop who was doing this between 2011-2015. Over 130 convictions dropped.

Cops still do this.

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Speedyx t1_j6xb1of wrote

>“In recent years, district attorneys have moved to vacate many more criminal cases going back dozens of years which have led to an increase in the number of reverse conviction suits and related payouts,” said Nick Paolucci, a spokesman for the city’s law department. >

Sorry i read the article, i forgot this is reddit you are not supposed to do that.

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mowotlarx t1_j6xnocn wrote

"Going back" means there are cases as recent as a few years ago and spanning multiple decades in the past. Speaking of learning about reading comprehension...

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Speedyx t1_j6xpli2 wrote

Literally says going back dozens of years. One sentence. You are just making things up now.

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mowotlarx t1_j6xsujd wrote

Ok, when you read "going back dozens of years" do you think that means this only involves cases from 20 years ago? Or a time span of cases ranging from 2-5 years ago to others that took place 20 years ago? I don't know why you don't understand how ranges work.

Because, again, top news this week was a cop who was planting evidence and lying on the stand between 2012-2015. That is not 20 years ago. Current cops still engage in this behavior.

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Grass8989 t1_j6xtce5 wrote

It explains why this year was particularly higher than previous years.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j6y4vco wrote

>The most recent case that the DA bungled was from a cop who was doing this between 2011-2015.

That case was dismissed with prejudice though.

While that outcome is still an injustice to the victims, that cop would still be presumed innocent until trial, and now (post-trial) he should be decidedly innocent.

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numba1cyberwarrior t1_j6zqata wrote

Paying out of the pension is illegal and immoral.

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Grass8989 t1_j6zx36q wrote

These people are delusional if they think it’s going to be taken out of the pension fund.

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hau5keeping OP t1_j6zxjqk wrote

Agreed, the nypd would riot again before accepting any accountability for their violence

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Grass8989 t1_j6zy66c wrote

You can’t just take money from a pension plan, that’s not it works. You can fire individual officers and however their individual pension is handled is a different conversation, but you can’t just blanket defund a pension. It’s illegal.

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numba1cyberwarrior t1_j6zyeu6 wrote

Dont bother with these people they are insane. You should never have funds taken out of your pension which you worked for.

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hau5keeping OP t1_j6zyzka wrote

Honestly its a moot point bc even if it was made legal, the cops would just riot in the face of any accountability for their violence

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_Maxolotl t1_j6xd782 wrote

I'd love to see a law that says a cop caught wantonly falsifying evidence faces a mandatory minimum sentence equal to however much time their false evidence put an innocent person away for, with no statute of limitations.

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nonlawyer t1_j6xa2j3 wrote

Yeah you could easily view this as good, actually—evidence that wrongful convictions from decades ago are being reviewed, overturned, and the victims compensated (too little, too late perhaps, but better than the alternative).

It certainly isn’t evidence that cops today are more violent or abusive than they were last year.

But that would require reading more than just the headline, I guess.

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LostSoulNothing t1_j6xxnf5 wrote

Actually punish cops who perjur themselves, falsify evidence, etc so there are fewer wrongful convictions in the future

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mowotlarx t1_j6x95b3 wrote

Take away their pensions. Make them pay. Make current NYPD know if they do this they will be fired and stripped of pension and be made to pay. NYPD are unaccountable for the bad work they do.

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Sickpup831 t1_j6xi3to wrote

There’s 36,000 cops in the city. Imagine losing your pension because some dickhead you don’t know in Staten Island did some horrible shit.

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mowotlarx t1_j6xnc5e wrote

...is it not clear that the perpetrator would be the one stripped of their pension?

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