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Nearly 6,000 units in the city’s public housing system are vacant, administration officials said at a City Council hearing Tuesday — and they stay vacant, on average, for close to a year.

While the New York City Housing Authority’s vacancy rate — 3.7% — is lower than the citywide average, as well as the national average for public housing, according to the officials, the units are sitting vacant as the homeless shelter system buckles from an influx of asylum seekers.

The vacancy rate is also much higher than recent years: In 2015, it was 1%, and in February 2022 it was 1.9%.

Council members prodded NYCHA officials for reasons why vacancies are increasing, pointing to unfilled maintenance worker positions and the lack of a dedicated staffing team for turning over newly empty apartments

They also questioned whether NYCHA has resumed widespread evictions.

Councilman Rafael Salamnca Jr., noted that his Bronx district had 163 vacancies across its NYCHA developments at the end of last year, up from 36 in 2021.

“How is that even possible?” Salamanca said. “It just doesn’t make sense. Where are these families going?”

NYCHA officials said that their law department had resumed evictions in some cases where residents had not paid rent. Members of the authority’s law department did not attend the hearing.

Eva Trimble, NYCHA’s chief operating officer, noted that vacancies have gone up since more stringent standards for reducing lead in city apartments went into effect last July. The changes have required retraining for contractors, and have made lead abatement more time-consuming, she said, on top of standard repairs and fixes required when tenants leave their long-time apartments.

“That work is performed mostly by NYCHA staff, and that work competes with work in other units,” Trimble said.

Under the authority’s current process, it takes up to four months just to investigate lead in a unit; if lead is discovered, the abatement process can take up to six additional months.

For the 5,964 vacant units in NYCHA developments, the average vacancy time is 350 days. Trimble noted that included in that count are 992 units considered temporarily off the rent rolls because they require more intensive repairs; without those units, the remaining 4,972 units have an average vacancy time of 233 days.

The authority is on track to turn over 2,283 units in the current fiscal year, Trimble said — between 150 and 250 units a month.

Councilman Lincoln Restler pointed to widespread staffing vacancies at city agencies, including NYCHA, as a possible cause for the slowdown in turning over units, and noted that the city could spend funding that goes to housing families in homeless shelters to speed up turnovers.

Trimble said she did not have current information on staffing vacancies at the agency.

“I’d rather fix up the apartments and provide permanent housing,” Restler said.

“I agree with you, and I appreciate the support,” Trimble said.

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[deleted] t1_j73no7a wrote

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KeepthePeaceHumanity t1_j73s1qc wrote

I can’t imagine living in a NYCHA project man, that sounds brutal, how do you even put up with all that?

You’re surviving in your own home, and what’s with people pissing, and shitting all over the project lobbies/elevators? Last time I went to visit a friend, there was literal shit in a plastic bag, smeared all across the floor with hella garbage on top of it, topped off with a swarm of flies flying over it.

I can’t fathom how someone would treat their place of home like that. I really think the degenerates that reside in those building, are apart of the reason why nobody does anything about nothing when it comes to those project buildings.

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ZA44 t1_j74abkj wrote

Honest question, after all this why would you continue to live in such conditions? Surely your quality of life would be much better outside of the city if you couldn’t afford a better apartment. Even the worst Eastern European apartment blocks I’ve been to aren’t as bad as you describe your apartment.

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JeffeBezos t1_j74j783 wrote

Half of Americans don't have $1k in their bank accounts to cover an emergency.

Moving costs money. Who knows if they have a car or even a license? Sure, there are lower COL cities, but it's not easy to just pack up when perhaps some NYCHA residents don't know anything other than NYC.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j73tsdp wrote

Have you ever tried the compliance office or the OCC? They tend to be a little better at follow up. Still problematic, but could maybe help with some of the outstanding issues.

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mrpeeng t1_j743jd0 wrote

The old company I use to work for had the NYCHA contract for the annual boiler inspections. I don't remember if they passed or failed those years but I do remember the inspector assigned to do all the locations was happy AF because of how laid back everyone was.

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evilgenius12358 t1_j74phko wrote

NYCHA is the largest slumlord in the country.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j73fq5s wrote

NYCHA suffers from staffing, productivity and resource issues. They lack the imagination or talent to tackle big projects and find themselves constantly playing catchup. Oversight and accountability are needed at every level, to make sure that good employees at NYCHA do their job (and the tough ones like removing asbestos and getting them off gas) and that bad employees are ousted.

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chipperclocker t1_j7ejibz wrote

Take an exam and wait months to hear if you can apply for a job? No wonder they can't attract talent, the process for city jobs is insane to begin with.

I get that you might want to make it a pretty straightforward aptitude-based program if we take the view that a bureaucracy relies on reliable but otherwise unremarkable people performing otherwise unremarkable jobs as some sort of jobs program - nothing wrong here - but don't leave those people hanging for months at a time. Anybody who has a better option is gonna take it. Instead of getting a mix of motivated and civic-minded people with people who really just need reliable work, the city only ends up with the truly desperate or those who are convinced their patience will be rewarded by grift. City employees and taxpayers deserve better.

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WickhamAkimbo t1_j78bpme wrote

The city and state leadership as a whole are rife with inefficiency and corruption. The ultimate bosses of these huge bureaucracies are the people of New York, who unfortunately are not competent enough to hold the leadership accountable in any meaningful way. It's a situation that can be improved, but not without a lot of hard work, better education, and more selfless civic engagement.

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Honest_Ice_7239 t1_j7b0s1g wrote

Nycha employees have orgies on the clock. I don't know what's worse than the MTA or nycha

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wantmywings t1_j78rzps wrote

I work in this field and I would cut off my own arm before working for this salary range and dealing with the people living there

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Live-Election9413 t1_j773kdq wrote

My mom didn’t have heat for 3 months during last winter until my aunt that lives below her called Fox 5. Within 3 days it was back on. Dirty stuff going on

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ooouroboros t1_j741h5k wrote

Probably intentional so the city can keep making the 'argument' to sell off NYCHA housing to for-profit corporations.

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ooouroboros t1_j74zkf1 wrote

Yes - exactly.

But conservatives (and I would say Adams has proven himself to be pretty conservative) want to privatize everything so they can make money off if it.

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TeamMisha t1_j77fq6q wrote

I don't see this getting better. More and more units are gonna age out and need these insanely long repairs, yet probably the staffing issues will just get worse under this current admin. At this point I don't even think NYCHA can be saved, I think the prudent course would be to create an entirely new agency with more flexible and nimble rules and procedures, and have them start building replacement housing immediately. The entire concept of NYCHA housing blocks is archaic anyways, this type of planning IMO is a failure and just concentrates folks in ugly and cheap housing without access to amenities. The blocks feel isolated and "other", instead of meshing with the communities, like they are behind a barren grassy moat in commie blocks.

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donttouchthirdrail t1_j74g2s0 wrote

Anyone got some inside baseball about NYCHA? Seems like the staffing issues have become massive problem.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j76wjdx wrote

What are you curious about? It’s all pretty publicly available at this point but I can point you in the right direction.

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donttouchthirdrail t1_j76x2q0 wrote

Mostly just why it’s taking so long to fix anything.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j76yesf wrote

Staffing, much needed capital repairs, productivity and a lack of strong leadership at the borough and highest level. Look up the various lawsuits against them that often do quarterly or annual reports that kind of give a glimpse on the inside.

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Gloomy_Astronaut_570 t1_j7ibjrt wrote

I know of multiple young, energetic, public service types who went to work for NYCCHA and were quickly beyond frustrated at how impossible it was to do their job, forget about change anything

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queensnyatty t1_j750e06 wrote

How about instead of all these tax giveaways in exchange for “affordable units” set aside in the buildings, we don’t give out tax breaks and instead use the money to rehabilitate and reissue the public housing units that already exist?

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DetectiveMoron t1_j76jcc2 wrote

Use what money? Those are tax exemptions that make those projects feasible. Let’s say the city exempts $50 million in those taxes to create that housing. If you take away the tax exemption, it doesn’t suddenly have an extra $50 million. It’s also not enough. NYCHA needs like $40 billion with a B.

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TeamMisha t1_j77ka6m wrote

While the other poster misunderstood the abatement concept, he gets at an interesting point. I can't find how much taxes in total since the inception of 421a have been abated, but it could be interesting to compare that number and see what could have been done with the money over the years. Would more housing units have been able to be built by the government instead? I.e. if we stopped this abatement and just directly build subsidized housing with the future tax revenue that would have been abated (ideally better than NYCHA, in my dreams...) would we have more or less affordable style housing?

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Chipper323139 t1_j7b79x9 wrote

Government is doing a bang up job of being a landlord, let’s expand the program…

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