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Croweslen t1_j9razvg wrote
That possession of a forged instrument is for those fake license plates that this sub complains about.
Warpedme t1_j9tj1eh wrote
Yup, that one detail made me perfectly ok with everything in the title and article. I'm not normally a fan of our police gangs but the evidence points to them just doing their jobs in this instance. Which is a nice change from playing candy crush while crimes are committed right in front of them.
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Croweslen t1_j9s26uw wrote
When somones arrested snd their car is taken for evidence. Its held at the precinct until its either released or taken to the impound lot. You're just automatically assuming its all cops personal cars to fit your narrative.
_neutral_person t1_j9tjs3q wrote
Bro they have NYPD badges on them. Don't be coy.
Croweslen t1_j9tkebc wrote
NYPD badges? Must have slipped my mind that cops just throw their badges on their cars when they park. As a form of showing force and dominance to the citizens.
SharkbiteNYC t1_j9tqfbm wrote
Placard is the correct term.
MillennialNightmare t1_j9tujvd wrote
I mean they already park on sidewalks obstructing public space. If a car is doing that, outside a precinct, with a thin blue line sticker/placard/PBA card in the window it doesn’t take a detective to figure out who owns that car.
_neutral_person t1_ja16ymf wrote
Need a picture cause I have one. Plate was blocked with them.
Edit: Not the actual badge but one that looks like an FOP badge.
PorchHonky t1_j9uxltv wrote
At this point, the word 'narrative' is a narrative itself.
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BakedBread65 t1_j9s3jd7 wrote
Is that an arrestable offense like forging a public instrument is?
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BakedBread65 t1_j9s7i6a wrote
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/170.10
Fake license plates are a felony
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BakedBread65 t1_j9tehlp wrote
For violating something with a civil penalty?
Rottimer t1_j9rfqii wrote
Seems like they're ignoring all the ones that I see driving in from NJ, LI, and often found parked outside their own precincts.
Sickpup831 t1_j9rq55u wrote
You personally see cops driving in from both LI and NJ and then watch them park outside their own precincts? Wow, you get around.
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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9rzrdt wrote
Right. They need to start pulling over white people for that too. Maybe that's the reason they haven't made a dent in it. They're assessing the driver first. I was gonna pull that guy over for his printed out fake NJ plate, but he's white so it must be legit and we just read it wrong.
Thick-Top-1353 t1_j9s1z55 wrote
Perhaps not every demographic drives with fake plates at the same rate.
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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9s52rd wrote
You're right. It's mostly white people. That's why searching minorities at a 90% rate hasn't put a dent in it. Pull over and arrest some white people and the problem will go away pretty quickly. White people are pretty skittish. Set an example. They'll fall in line.
xiirri t1_j9s63m0 wrote
Seek help.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9s7vnr wrote
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
xiirri t1_j9s825x wrote
Ya cool, live in whatever weird fucked up delusion you need to.
Hard reality, NYPD is majority minority. I have no idea why these stats are what they are. Possible explanation could in part be ride share drivers are more targeted, way more likely to be a minority, more likely to break driving laws.
But nah keep living in the fucked up delusion of absolute certainty and weird race baiting creepiness.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sao0g wrote
Okay officer. It doesn't matter what the makeup of NYPD is. 90% of drivers who were searched are minorities. What percentage of drivers in NYC overall are minorities?
And I'll give you a task. The cops that murdered Tyre Nichols were black. Show me a video of cops of any color murdering a white person in a similar way. Not accidentally killing a junkie who is fucking them up. Just straight up murder like Nichols. One example.
Cops have a color. It doesn't matter what they were before. It's not white. It not black. Or Latino. It's blue. And blue hates black and brown. 90% in the OP should have told you.
xiirri t1_j9sbs0q wrote
Dude seriously you dont think unarmed white people are murdered by police? Did you ever think to look this up before posting such a crazy ignorant theory.
Police immunity is bullshit. But you realize there are 330 million people in the USA? There are millions of police interactions every single day that are non violent. Only a handful of interactions where the suspect is unarmed are deadly per year.
Every death is a tragedy but this isn't an epidemic.
Every single day we are possibly going to see the worst thing that happens in the US due to the internet and virality, the relationship between news and clicks and revenue. You are taking that ONE thing that happens and acting as if its reality.
TWO SECONDS OF SEARCHING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X4PUwrq8tA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ooa7wOKHhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj7JQ_AXgmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o72sF51RkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNKbOiexUL4
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9senwj wrote
We are getting somewhere now. And I appreciate you finding these. The first is 5 years old and the second 2 years old. So you do have to go a ways back to find a person of the majority getting killed unjustly. Since the oldest video you posted, how many black people were killed by police? Since the newest?
It's not the internet and virality that is the problem though. It's societally acceptable for a regular citizen to kill another regular citizen unjustly. People are never going to be perfect. It will always be both societally acceptable and sad when one random person murders another.
But we should hold police officers to a higher standard because we hire them to protect society. They are hired by and represent the state. When you put the badge on, you aren't just the guy who got in a bar fight last week. You are a representative of the people. You're there to protect them. Both the 6 white people you posted and the 100s of black people you didn't. You signed up to protect and serve. You did not sign up to be an invading military. If you want that, join the marines. But the truth is that the marines, when invading Afghanistan, understood what protect and serve means better than NYPD in their own city.
xiirri t1_j9sfatp wrote
Wait im sorry what lol, i found you a buncha clips INSTANTLY that you swore didnt exist and you said they are too old?
The statistics are out there, MORE WHITE PEOPLE are murdered by police. Just not by % of the population.
A big boy like yourself can start looking these easily findable statistics on their own from now on, especially before they spout off on the internet.
Its righteous to be upset about a terrible murder that takes place by people who are sworn to protect and want to hold the police accountable. But its fucking stupid and child brained to watch a couple of murder porn videos that make headlines every year and extrapolate broader trends.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sfhd4 wrote
There are more white people. But the word "murdered" has a meaning.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sfugd wrote
And you really are a cop aren't you? You know, you don't have to defend everything other cops do, right? And in fact, that's the biggest problem with you guys. Here's a simple statement to help you understand. You are part of the community and you are not an invading army. Can you act like it?
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ehsurfskate t1_j9t93lc wrote
I don’t think I have ever seen someone coping harder on Reddit than who you are arguing with lol.
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plump_helmet_addict t1_j9tkims wrote
>You already know I'm older than you. And you probably already know I've seen the world. Well, 21 countries. 34 states. Most of them when I was really broke. And you also probably know I've had relative success compared to you.
And yet you're still just a whacky redditor who can't be taken seriously.
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WonderingInane t1_j9s9zzm wrote
You do realize 90% is a ridiculously high amount. Nowhere close to that amount of the NYPD is white themselves. So you’re saying other races are in on it? For it to be that high they would have to be… or… maybe the truth that some groups do more of certain crimes is the unfortunate truth that you are incapable of accepting. Instead let’s promote conspiracy and hate instead. Smart.
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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9scxdk wrote
90% is the search rate of NYPD. 90% of their searches are minorities. What percentage of drivers do you think are minorities?
What I said is most people driving with fake plates are white. And most drivers overall are white. If you want to solve that problem, you need to actually confront the main culprits.
I can also tell you this. I am white and I could drive around in a clown car with no plates and the cop i was replying to isn't going to do shit. Part of that is inherent bias but the other part is because he expects white people to be connected. And maybe we are. That's something I haven't done the math on. I have a DEA card because one of my best friends is a detective. I also know judges. And I don't even come from anywhere around here. The white people in NYC almost all know at least one NYPD very well. And you know, the last time I got pulled over at all in NYC was with way out of state plates a long time ago.
WonderingInane t1_j9tdy4s wrote
You’re a straight up conspiracy theorist. Where is your data on white people with fake plates? Somehow you’re 100% sure that white people do more of the crime they just get away with it because the police are afraid they’re connected? Are you seriously that eager to believe in a racist agenda? Every white person knows a cop? You just pulled that out of your ass based on your own experience with no actual data to support it. You know a detective, you know ‘judges’? Sounds like you’re the problem you describing but you think all white people are like you based on delusion alone
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9tulan wrote
Where's your data on me being "100% sure?"
90% of people searched are black or brown. That's the article. One doesn't have to extrapolate any other data to see racism there.
And sure, I'm the problem in that I don't get pulled over at all. Not much I can do about that though, is there?
WonderingInane t1_j9tvvkm wrote
You said “most people driving with fake plates are white”. What makes you so sure? You seem pretty confident. Maybe it’s just you, and not getting pulled over is your confirmation bias. Turn yourself in.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9unnvd wrote
Observation makes me sure. And ghost plates are still all over town in pretty much the same numbers after the NYPD crack down on black and latino drivers. And why would I turn myself in for anything? The difference between me and you is that I acknowledge white privilege exists while you pretend it doesn't. Whether you've taken advantage of that privilege actively or passively has always been up to you, but if you are white, you have absolutely taken advantage of it.
And not getting pulled over being confirmation bias is laughable. There is plenty of demographic data on police stop rates. Driving while black is an actual thing whether you want to pretend it isn't or not.
And not only are people with fake, obscured, or no plates mostly white, they're also mostly cops. It's legitimately the easiest "crime" to actually stop if cops actually wanted to stop it. It's the most transparent violation that it's possible to commit short of open carrying a gun through Times Square. Yet it still happens.
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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sjf29 wrote
Edit that so it makes sense.
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WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9sjlc8 wrote
There's no subject in your first sentence. Edit it and include the subject.
GrapplerBJJ t1_j9yhd7e wrote
You really think the population that actually has generational wealth, and can afford to pay toll fees everyday is even gonna waste time going to some shady fake plate dealer? Or even bothering knowing what it is? Reality check, follow your own evidence.... poverty = crime.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9yl79e wrote
There are poor white people. Also, fake plates isn't a crime committed by poor people. It's a crime committed by lower middle class people. Poor people in and around NYC don't normally even have cars.
GrapplerBJJ t1_j9yptla wrote
I thought we all know better to adjust per rate. PoC are significantly more in poverty than white people. If just scraping by is lower middle class, then sure. And what race Dominates lower middle class?/More than likely, they can't afford to pay tolls and their bills more? Would it be Latino or white? You're really being obtuse here. Usually, this conversation would have attempted to shift blame back to the "system" that there's some form of malpractice at this point and not focus on statistics. But that's the reality of most of these studies, at least from what I've read, they're all "inconclusive," and most of our data comes from institutions and their actions, not the perpetrators. There's no form of document that details the specific small details of what a driver did that might of caught an officers attention. Undocumented infractions, like swerving the lane, speeding and etc, prior to arrest. All we have is a pattern that, for the most part, can be cited back to the reality of classicism and can infer that the disparity could be due to racism
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9yylaq wrote
Who is obtuse? What is the rate of car ownership in NYC and urban NJ? Poor people aren't driving around much here. This isn't Mississippi. A car is an unnecessary luxury item here.
GrapplerBJJ t1_j9z2h25 wrote
Not if you're tied down to working in the city, plenty of working class people who live IN the city have cars. You may not see it from transplants from other states but New York is still the Mecca for work. If we can understand that there's a definite population that exists between poor and middle class, who can own a car out of necessity/want (driving kids to and from programs, traveling out of state) but are still living pay check to pay check....we can circle back to original point. Who's more likely to not want to pay that toll bill? 🙄. A population that's more likely to be poor or well off?
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9z6q8t wrote
The disconnect is that you keep switching to the word poor. Working class people in and around NYC aren't poor. There's a 15 dollar minimum wage and under the table work usually pays more per hour than that. If you are driving to get to work in NYC, you are not poor. If you were poor, you would take transit because it's much cheaper.
You think day laborers are poor? They can pull in up to 80k a year and pay no taxes. Now if you work retail for $15 an hour and can only get 20 hours a week, you may be poor, but you also aren't driving to McD's to work that job.
GrapplerBJJ t1_j9z3ejx wrote
Like it's crazy to me, being Dominican and being in the heights, you're coming to me crazy like I don't see the Dominicans in dyckman with tinted out cars, fake plates doing w.e they want and always seeing Karen with her 70% tint rated windows without a care in the world driving around the boogie side of Inwood. You really think white people give a fuck about a toll that much when they live in Westchester or Warwick or some shit? Earning 130k? All I ever hear is them finding ways to "not work" in the city.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9z5dul wrote
130k? Lol. 130k is wealthy. It isn't lower middle class. And all white people are rich and live in Westchester? The trades are full of working class white people. So are the NYPD and FDNY. Lol if you think every white person is Donald Trump Jr.
By the way, black median income in Queens is higher than white median income and has been since the mid 90s.
https://apnews.com/article/90f4279c3a4098e031dbaff8a2b76764
https://www.planetizen.com/node/21423
Let me put it differently. The Dominicans who have those cars aren't poor. Neither are you. Poor people aren't scamming tolls. They're jumping turnstiles.
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Sickpup831 t1_j9ratee wrote
The next line is even more ridiculous.
“In contrast, police made just 631 arrests for second-degree criminal possession of a loaded weapon, accounting for about 4% of arrests.”
JUST 631?? That’s like 2 guns a day for the whole year! That seems like a hell of a lot to me from just traffic stops.
pluralofjackinthebox t1_j9s0kkw wrote
They kind of need to tell me how many license violation arrests they made if they’re going to “contrast” them with firearm arrests.
WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9s0im7 wrote
It would be a lot in London. But NYC is still America. 2 per day is surprisingly low, IMO. How many drivers in Texas do you think have a loaded weapon in their vehicle? Way more than NYC. The difference is that they can do that legally. But we don't have a border between NYC and Texas. In fact, if every car with a fake Texas dealer plate in NYC brought in one gun, you already have way more than 631.
Sickpup831 t1_j9t6kmv wrote
Two a day solely off traffic stops is a lot no matter where you’re from. And I have no idea what point you’re trying to make with the Texas stuff.
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Internal_Ring_121 t1_j9teen7 wrote
They probably miss 20 if they only get 2 . And it’s not a lot for the biggest police force in the world
Sickpup831 t1_j9tir2w wrote
Remember, this is only guns found as a result of traffic enforcement. Not every gun they’ve found or specifically looked for for the year, which I think the number is close to 5,000.
nokinok t1_j9s5uy9 wrote
The headline doesn’t point out that stops and summons are roughly proportional to population demographics. It just highlights the searches and arrests.
dust1990 t1_j9tssqm wrote
This is the real headline and is encouraging. It shows police aren’t stopping people because of their race.
NatLawson t1_j9vtank wrote
Or .. or. I could be you are mindless in your unbelievable self deception. This country subscribes to institutional racism as enshrined in our constitution.
Until Americans repudiate institutional racism, constituionally constructed racism, religiously endowed and supported racism - there is no solution. Image, your car, confiscated on the whim of a institutional enforcement strategy?
Racism is wrong and illegal and immoral. It is also wrong to be dismissive about complaints from voters snd taxpayers about the behavior of police.
stork38 t1_j9w68wb wrote
Put away the Kendi book
NatLawson t1_j9wbti8 wrote
We have a lot of truth to get to. We are American taxpayers. Nothing more, nothing less. Simpletons should not determine the future of our tax dollars. Simpletons should not foster violence and destruction. Is that what you want? Hope, not fear is guidance for the future. Be glad the world agrees.
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jeffsayno t1_j9u0sb7 wrote
but they are searching them because of it
dust1990 t1_j9uci0j wrote
Correlation is not causation.
jeffsayno t1_j9uwt9x wrote
You're saying blacks and latinos are more likely to give them a reason to search?
dust1990 t1_j9v1zjw wrote
They need reasonable suspicion (or consent) for a Terry stop & frisk. So in answer to your question, yes, it appears individuals with those classifications did give them more reason to search.
You could argue their suspicion wasn't reasonable or they illegally used race as a factor. But this data alone doesn't support that argument.
Tatar_Kulchik t1_j9uo2ec wrote
People always ignore the Base Rates.
NatLawson t1_j9vtfbn wrote
Yup, mindless self deception. Thats what racism is.
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NatLawson t1_j9vs5og wrote
Or ... or it could be you have a sign "Dorkenstein" or your forehead? The police say, "he's got enough troubles of his own." Let's skip him.
tdoubles23 t1_j9uji6n wrote
Did you read the article? And in what world do you think 90%+ of drivers in NYC are Black or Hispanic?
Quote from article "While most stops only resulted in a summons for a minor violation, officers searched and arrested Black and Latino drivers at far higher rates than white drivers, according to data obtained by the New York Civil Liberties Union and shared with Gothamist."
Bma1500 t1_j9rgllq wrote
Now we know who is driving around with fake license plates
gerrys t1_j9ts95h wrote
Every time I walk by the police station in my neighborhood, it’s surrounded by cars with fake and defaced plates. Weird that they can’t solve this problem when it’s right in front of them.
stork38 t1_j9x53ig wrote
Those are probably seized cars 😂
PiffityPoffity t1_j9rhsd5 wrote
Now we know who’s being stopped with fake license plates.
Bma1500 t1_j9rhw39 wrote
The people with fake license plates.
Don_Gato1 t1_j9ryuy5 wrote
Bless your heart.
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PiffityPoffity t1_j9ri8o3 wrote
A subset of them, and not necessarily a representative one.
Bma1500 t1_j9ricfx wrote
Cant be stopped for a fake license plate if you don’t use one 🤷🏻♂️
PiffityPoffity t1_j9rirnh wrote
No shit, but that doesn’t address whether enforcement is done in a discriminatory manner.
Bma1500 t1_j9rj6rg wrote
If you don’t want to be targeted by police, don’t use a fake license plate. It’s very simple.
mowotlarx OP t1_j9rjm5u wrote
If you don’t want to be targeted by police be white. It’s very simple.
Bma1500 t1_j9rjs1d wrote
If you don’t want to get arrested for fake license plates, don’t use fake license plates.
What does race have to do with it, dummy?
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Don_Gato1 t1_j9rzcy4 wrote
Do you believe that 90% of the people with fake license plates are black or Latino?
edit: you’ll notice all the people downvoting are too scared to respond
nokinok t1_j9s66lc wrote
90% or searches are black or Latino. This data doesn’t tell us what races the people using fake license plates are. It looks like stops and summonses are issued roughly proportionally to racial demographics. I’m not sure if people are getting arrested for forgery.
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Bma1500 t1_j9riyry wrote
Why are you making excuses for criminals?
PiffityPoffity t1_j9s0bim wrote
Oh c’mon. I’m asking why the NYPD excuses a certain class of criminals. I’m in favor of enforcement, but I don’t believe it’s being done fairly—which means some criminals are getting away with it. I’d like to see that stop. Why do you want it to continue?
hortence1234 t1_j9s0v1x wrote
Lol! How do you "fairly" perform enforcement?
PiffityPoffity t1_j9s1oog wrote
You enforce the law against lawbreakers and you apply discretion equally regardless of a person’s race, gender, etc. You don’t, for example, give a warning to a white motorist and then a ticket to a black motorist for the same violation. You don’t target enforcement operations at neighborhoods full of people of color while ignoring the same violations in white neighborhoods.
Thick-Top-1353 t1_j9s2r4f wrote
> You don’t, for example, give a warning to a white motorist and then a ticket to a black motorist for the same violation.
Interesting hypothesis. Where is your evidence for this regarding fake plates?
PiffityPoffity t1_j9tn4po wrote
It was an example based on historical practices. I don’t have anything specific to fake plates.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-traffic-stops-racial-disparity/
> While the race of those stopped in 2022 is roughly proportional to the city's demographics, the numbers skew when enforcement escalates.
Stops may be representative, but stops leading to fine or arrest are not. That would suggest white motorists are more likely to get off with a warning. We don’t have enough data to confirm either way (there are certainly other factors at play at least to some extent), but it’s worth further research.
Longjumping_Vast_797 t1_j9ta5bf wrote
You have zero proof, ZERO, that those statistics aren't well, representative of the data they summary. You and others need to accept reality is disproportionate.
PiffityPoffity t1_j9tcvce wrote
Why would I need to accept that when you’ve offered no evidence of your claim?
mowotlarx OP t1_j9rjj6u wrote
Do they stop everyone with fake plates? Or do they pick and choose?
It's the latter. We already know that. Police enforcement isn't even handed and is often racist. Crime rate demographics mostly signify who was stopped, not who commits the crimes.
Bma1500 t1_j9rjxoq wrote
You tell me. You’re the one saying it’s racist to arrest people for fake license plates
mowotlarx OP t1_j9rqivp wrote
You're being willfully obtuse. Do you think black people are the only ones with fake plates? Or the only ones the police stop and fine for it?
user_joined_just_now t1_j9sqmpb wrote
> Crime rate demographics mostly signify who was stopped, not who commits the crimes.
In 2021, 90.7% of murder victims in NYC were black or Latino. A similar percentage of arrested murder suspects were black or Latino, mirroring the belief that most murders are intraracial. However, only 3.9% of suspects in NYC arrested for murder in 2021 were white. Since this is racist, could you give a ballpark estimate as to how high this number should be to resolve the issue? After that, we can start brainstorming ideas to achieve equity in murder.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-traffic-stops-racial-disparity/
> While the race of those stopped in 2022 is roughly proportional to the city's demographics, the numbers skew when enforcement escalates.
PiffityPoffity t1_j9td38p wrote
Ah, so the stops are proportionate, but arrests aren’t. That’s even worse. NYPD lets white people off with a warning more often for the same violation.
wookietennis t1_j9u3y15 wrote
Or maybe because of socioeconomic factors, white people’s finances are less impacted by a camera ticket compared to other demographics. Not excusing this behavior.
PiffityPoffity t1_j9u4dab wrote
There’s plenty of maybes. More data is needed to say anything conclusively either way. Your maybe is no likelier than mine.
Mine’s got plenty of historical basis, though.
wookietennis t1_j9u7bct wrote
I hate pigs as much as the next guy, but my sample pool from riding a bike daily through three boroughs is that most license plate modification is either done by LEO affiliates (they are getting let go), car bro douches (usually non white), Jeep or pickup bro douches (usually white or LEO affiliate), or a car that probably would not pass inspection and is being used to get to a manual labor type job site or warehouse (usually non white). I would guess that it’s 90% plus men who do this though.
oreosfly t1_j9u0ojl wrote
Hmm, in my eight years of driving I’ve never been stopped by the police or arrested. Maybe it has something to do with my real plates and real registration 🤷♂️
birthdaycakefig t1_ja2xtlo wrote
Same, am Latino and never got stopped or arrested when I was driving for years.
IMO The real question is what kind of people they are stopping in different neighborhoods compared to the make up of the area.
NatLawson t1_j9vrubp wrote
Or, or it could be you have a sign "Dorkenstein" on your head? There that...
PandaJ108 t1_j9tq8yo wrote
It’s funny how the gender breakdown is not mention even though it will be way more disproportionate than racial factors. It will probably be something like 95% of those arrested after a traffic stop being men. It’s like collectively that part gets dismissed cause society seems to understand/expect men to commit more offenses.
But if one were to say “maybe Black and Hispanic men get arrested more for fake plates because they are the one using fake plates”, now it’s problematic.
dust1990 t1_j9tu6y4 wrote
Obsessing about sex and racial classifications in this context serves to further the logical fallacy that these classifications somehow predispose someone to breaking the laws. This is of course ridiculous.
From a public safety standpoint, I’d be much more interested in police collecting data to find out why people drive without a license, etc.
Jimmy_kong253 t1_j9tc3ye wrote
At the end of the day no matter your race if your license and registration isn't up to date you just give them an opening
k1lk1 t1_j9tiy2y wrote
> “As with the pedestrian stops during the height of stop and frisk, we are now seeing numbers where it’s quite clear that Black and Latino drivers are being singled out for the most aggressive police activity,” said Christopher Dunn, the NYCLU's legal director. “That’s a source of a lot of concern.”
Oh my god people, just keep your license and registration up to date and obey the officer instead of arguing... whether the cop is right or wrong, you will NEVER WIN on the street, your place to fight is in court.
Doctor_Zaius13 t1_j9we87g wrote
This.
It's not some kind of systematic racism to require drivers to be licensed and cars to be registered and insured. If you have that stuff squared away, you remove 90% of the reasons to get pulled over.
And most of the time, if you get pulled over for something easily fixable, get it fixed asap, save all receipts and take timestamped pictures of everything, and fight the ticket in traffic court.
I got pulled over in the UES about two and a half years ago for "dirty" plates, which admittedly were in the initial stages of delamination, but still very legible. The cop made an accusation of me spraying some kind of reflective stuff on them to block the roll cameras and wrote me a ticket with I think a $175+ fine (maybe more, I don't remember).
As soon as I got back to my neighborhood, I bought a newspaper and used the dated cover as a timestamp to show the conditions of the plates on the day of the ticket. I also went on the DMVs website, which conveniently had a section acknowledging their orange plates were peeling, and had instructions on replacing them for free online. I took screenshots of everything related to the state admitting the orange plates were crap, as well as all receipts/ correspondence to show I was making the effort to "correct" the issue.
Printed everything out to give myself as many avenues to argue my case... And waited and waited as my court date kept getting pushed back.
Once I finally had my court date, last summer, the judge had me state my case and present evidence. The first thing I held up was my 8.5 x 11 printout of my plate, and the judge dismissed it instantly.
The only downside was that it was real traffic court, with a set appearance time, so I had to take a day off work.
But long story short, even if you get pulled over for something stupid, be respectful and then do whatever you can/ need to in order to rectify the situation so you can shove it up their asses later.
Fig85420 t1_j9ui5xa wrote
There is racism everywhere, as long as you search/squint hard enough...
redroverster t1_j9w535i wrote
Before the news says “disparities,” it would be useful to know what percentage of people stopped who committed arrestable offenses, like having warrants, contraband, or false plates were Black or Latino. If that percentage is 90 or higher, there is no “disparity.”
Solid_Angel t1_j9s0ogo wrote
Wonder what the statistics were for Staten island..
Tatar_Kulchik t1_j9uo1kj wrote
What percent of drivers overall are black or latino?
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PsychologicalLie1116 t1_j9uhlqi wrote
Are there any race statistics from speed cameras?
redditaccount71987 t1_j9utky8 wrote
It's probably nationwide.
NatLawson t1_ja7c9cj wrote
Honestly racism is built in. Read the constitution.
amagadino t1_j9wc39x wrote
The cop cars have cameras on all sides that read the plates automatically in their computer.
ManchurianPandaDate t1_j9u0mnt wrote
This checks out, I’m white and was not pulled over once in 2022 by the NYPD
Least-Cry-7317 t1_j9u70n5 wrote
Also white haven’t been arrested or pulled over. Might have something to do with my reg and plates being up to date and the fact that 95% of the time I’m driving legally.
HEIMDVLLR t1_j9tpkt2 wrote
Hopefully everyone is taking note of how this is playing out. Any time law enforcement is asked to enforce the law, it never goes after the right people, only the soft targets not in possession of a PBA card.
> “Police departments across the nation have been moving away from vehicle stops because of the evidence showing they too often escalate and lead to tragic incidents and can extract resources from communities through fines and fees with severe disparities,” spokesperson Rendy Desamours said in a statement. “This first-ever year of data on vehicle stops in New York City shows why this initial transparency was so critical.”
Explains why a lot of speed cameras were installed. The city can “continue extracting resources from communities through fines and fees” without the physical interaction.
PandaJ108 t1_j9ttogy wrote
Your right but this reddit does not consider people committing traffic base infractions/violations to be “soft targets”. They want the full weight of law to come down on them and any fears of bias policing goes away in regards in regards to traffic enforcement.
Look at the replied to the currently most liked comment on this post. Somebody that normally hates police gangs but is perfectly fine with this enforcement cause they rank traffic infractions as their #1 issue of concern.
To a decent size segment on here. Bike lane violations, fake plates is on par with assaults and robberies.
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TheAJx t1_j9turlt wrote
> Hopefully everyone is taking note of how this is playing out. Any time law enforcement is asked to enforce the law, it never goes after the right people, only the soft targets not in possession of a PBA card.
Who are the "right" people? Are there better and worse law evaders?
HEIMDVLLR t1_j9tyl7h wrote
The right people includes anyone getting a pass, let go with a warning or a courtesy.
Shit like this is why politics are so divisive, one group is on the receiving end of a law being enforced, while the other group continues to complain that not enough is being done and they never see or experience it being enforced where they live.
So they continue to make goofy videos about the police department with fake/obstructed plates driving in from Long Island. Meanwhile the cops are stopping low-income drivers in East New York.
TheAJx t1_j9ugdsf wrote
I agree. I don't think anyone should get a pass, or if there are warning they should be distributed equally. There are no "right people" . ..just lawbreakers the laws should be applied fairly.
ColCharlesSinclair t1_j9r1pzh wrote
The real story is the massive non-compliance w/ filling these forms out.
Speedyx t1_j9r9soq wrote
>The real story is the massive non-compliance w/ filling these forms out.
Non compliance? The article says there were over 670,000 stops. Thats no small number
mainelinerzzzzz t1_j9t6tap wrote
That’s because Mayor Eric Adams is a white devil.
FriendLost9587 t1_j9tevjj wrote
What?
Suspicious_Mode_550 t1_j9rhpv5 wrote
Racist bastards. Fuck all cops, 1312 and fuck all of you bootlickers too
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actualtext t1_j9r6z4b wrote
> The most common types of arrests were for license violations and possession of a forged instrument, which is often brought against people who violate license plate rules.
Great.