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According to Wikipedia, in 1894 Westchester voted 621 votes to 620 to remain independent of New York City. Brooklyn (Kings County) was quite close with 50.11% for and 49.89% against.
Edit: Apparently, it was the town of Westchester, which is part of the Bronx.
“This is a 1241st St-bound 2 train step in stand clear”
There’s got to be a good Staten Island joke in here somewhere
My dad was born in '25, so his dad- my grandad- immigrated to the City of Brooklyn. My aunts and uncles all still say when referring to Manhattan not "I'm going to the City" but rather "I'm going to New York".
And Nassau County used to be part of Queens so there is an alternate reality where NYC includes Westchester and what is now Nassau county.
Someone out in Crotonville: “I live uptown”
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There is no New York without Brooklyn. I said what I said. 🙂
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That’s not correct. The referendum in this article was for the “Town of Westchester” which is part of the modern-day Bronx. Not the same as the area we now know as Westchester County
Ridgewood (11385) voted to join queens instead of Brooklyn due to the image issues.
You’re not wrong but that could be stated with almost all boroughs except Staten Island.
Perhaps the most cultured and storied are Manhattan, Brooklyn and The X, of course all are storied and cultured.
True. I guess my statement was more a testament to the notion that had Brooklyn not become part of New York, it would be hard to imagine New York as the remarkable place it is and was. It’s the sum of its parts that make unique.
This says “ Town of Westchester Results”. Idk, what the town of Westchester is, but I think it’s different from the county. The same wiki page then has results for Mount Vernon (no), Pelham (yes), and Eastchester (yes) which are both still in Westchester county.
So there must have been a specific town of Westchester that it’s referring to
Edit: quick research, the Town of Westchester is currently the Westchester Square neighborhood just south of Morris Park in the Bronx
It certainly would’ve been an alternate NYC but its close proximity would’ve rendered it essentially the same.
Personally as someone who barely leaves Manhattan (and if I do I mostly go to the Bronx), Manhattan is the center.
That said, I have several fond memories of Brooklyn and have about 55 more years to make more!
Yes, my great grandmother born and raised in Carroll Gardens in 1916 said this. She loved to go to Macy’s. Lived until 2015!
Eastchester got split by Mount Vernon, so all of Eastchester south of Mount Vernon was annexed, but Eastchester north of Mount Vernon was not. Very interesting.
NYC is definitely NYC without Bronx. A lot of people never go to the Bronx, myself included. When we do it’s for Yankees games.
SI out here catching ricochet shots. Damn lol
The Bronx is the home of Hip Hop which is integral to NYC culture. Many old school entertainers and comedians came from the Bronx. The Bronx holds its own even if people are pedestrian.
New Jersey is the home of Thomas Edison’s research lab, which commercialized the lightbulb. The lightbulb is integral to NYC culture. No one considers NJ an integral part of NYC.
Not for nothing I live very close to the Yonkers border and it only goes up to like 260th st or so.
Haha, really?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridgewood,_Queens
Under the section history - late 20th century.
It's hard to predict what would have happened to the outer boroughs if they continued to develop independently of Manhattan.
Considering how much the Jersey side of the river has grown in the same timeframe, I think those areas would have still grown into something similar as they are today. But transportation projects would have definitely had more red tape at points, so that could have slowed down the ability of people to move further away from downtown Manhattan.
As long as the transportation options exist, the culture probably would too.
> No one considers NJ an integral part of NYC.
Unsurprisingly, I've met some people from Jersey who do.
It would've also slowed or prevented the development of a lot of city-wide institutions, like CUNY and the NYPL (which I know is really only the Bronx, Manhattan, and SI, but still).
This seems so wrong to me. What exactly is New York to you? Just the parts you visit frequently?
There’s no reason to go to the other outer boroughs than the one you live in.
I’m from Queens and I’ve lived in Manhattan, the Bronx, and I work in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn has a distinct culture compared to all the other boroughs. Much more homey and like it’s own small city. This makes sense given Brooklyn’s history.
New York is Manhattan, Queens, The Bronx, SI, and parts of North Jersey. These are places that are only as populated as they are because of New York City expansion. Brooklyn would have been developed as its own city without New York, and it has the character of a distinct town. All of the other surrounding areas needed NYC to develop their culture and so they all share a similar New York vibe.
The wildest factoid to me is that Huntington, in Suffolk, was part of Queens and even called Queens Village.
Didn’t know that, fun fact!
I live in Manhattan and don’t know anyone that goes to the Bronx aside for Yankees games. There’s extremely few reasons to go to the Bronx unless you live there
Bronx Zoo, Botanical Gardens, Fordham, all the “hill schools”, Bronx science, wave hill, Van Cortlandt park, orchard beach, city island, Arthur Avenue (the true little Italy). Just to name a few. 😂😂😂😂
Hip hop was born in the bronx, shich gave way to rap.
Dj’ing too and a lot more. They got the best Xoo and an amazing garden.
I won’t lie though, bx a little scary at times lmao, but BX is ingrained into NYC.
The list is much longer, maybe others can chime in.
Had Brooklyn voted no the whole consolidation plan would have fallen apart. Joining Manhattan and Brooklyn was the whole point, because they wanted to guarantee remaining the largest city in America, and why the Brooklyn Bridge was built. They probably try again or find some way to join anyway, but yeah.
Wow, so Kingsbridge and Riverdale used to be Yonkers
I heard about this one too. Didn't realize it happened so recently (1977 was only 23 years ago, right?!). I assume that's why you see so many 3-4 story walkup apartment buildings in Ridgewood like you would normally find in Brooklyn instead of the typical queens' house and gardens.
You seem smart. 🙄
>I heard about this one too. Didn't realize it happened so recently (1977 was only 23 years ago, right?!).
That's right.
😵💫 as someone who’s lived in ACTUAL Queens Village… wtf lmao
"They hated him because he told them the truth"
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Yeah, except for, you know, all the people that live there, which is just shy of the number of people that live in Manhattan.
It's hilarious, because the richest people in the tri-state area send their kids to private schools in the Bronx. Riverdale Country, Horace Mann, Ethical Fieldston. . . all with tuition rates that rival Ivy League colleges.
Interesting, I hadn’t heard this before! Any further reading on the history? I never knew parts of Queens County went to Suffolk County.
history of Lloyd Harbor. I just followed the related pages at the bottom of OPs wiki article. This is one of the citations. Essentially Loyd Neck was part of Oyster Bay, which was a Queens township, and was annexed to Huntington and by extension Suffolk county in 1885. Four years later, Nassau split from Queens altogether.
What? That’s like almost an hour away. That’s crazy!
That’s still common even among younger folks I think
Thanks for the link. It looks like it’s saying Lloyd Neck, which was part of the town of Oyster Bay, then in Queens, joined the town of Huntington, which was/is part of Suffolk, not that Huntington itself was part of Queens: “It was not until 1885, after a year of much lobbying in the State Legislature, that Lloyd Neck became a part of the Town of Huntington and Suffolk County, thereby seceding from Oyster Bay, Queens County.”
You can also see in the first link in that same section an 1873 map of the three counties of Long Island at the time (Kings, Queens, Suffolk) and Lloyd Neck shows up as part of the town of Oyster Bay, whereas Huntington is already its own town which is part of Suffolk.
My kids (raised in Queens) say "I'm going to The city" but not "I'm going to New York".
damn we were so close to being a balkanized shithole like the bay area
next stop, getting rid of member deference
Ah yeah misread the comment, that’s pretty interesting. I don’t think people upstate/LI really say that anymore
My mom would be 92. She used it too. . So did all my late aunts and uncles (all Brooklyn natives).
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