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“The only way to stop placard abuse is to punish parking enforcement officers who refuse to write tickets on placarded cars.”
Some placarded cars are legit. It’s an important distinction. After all, The city does issue them for a reason.
They're only legit in very specific areas. They don't permit parking on sidewalks, no standing zones, fire hydrants, bike lanes, crosswalks, etc... It's really just for meters and authorized vehicle only areas
It’s also at the discretion of the traffic agent. Do public sector employees get certain courtesies extended to them, yes. So do private citizens. If you roll through a stop sign, it’s up to an officer whether they pull you over and give you a ticket or not. Happens all the time.
It’s a slippery slope when we start saying traffic agents should be punished for not ticketing certain violations.
Tell me you have a placard and you use it to get away with parking like a douche without telling me you have a placard and you use it to get away with parking like a douche.
I don’t even own a car, I ride my bike to work everyday. But nice try pal.
So you're just a bootlicker?
How about instead of fining parking officers who let placard abuse slide, we just move parking enforcement and internal affairs to be under the control of an elected public defender's office?
You want to get personal and then think we’re going to have a civil discussion?
Sure, good luck with that.
It's not really discretion when it's 100% of the time. Traffic agents report to the police, and don't have discretion to enforce outside what the NYPD let's them.
I know people with placards who have gotten tickets before, as they should, so it’s not 100% of the time. But whatever you say.
Yes punish the lowest paid civil servants in the city. Why would anyone want to be a meter maid for $50k a year?
I don't use a placard but as someone who is considering driving in to work 5 days a week because I don't want to deal with a combined 2+ hour commuter every day, you know what would deincentivize me? More affordable housing closer to and IN Manhattan! I would be more than happy to take public transportation if it only took me 25-40mins to get to work.
It really feels like nyc is becoming one of the stupidest places on earth for basically anyone who isn't loaded
Feels? Is.
Yeah, memes always add a lot to any conversation.
It's ridiculous to act like the cost of living increases and the wealth disparity issues haven't metastasized to an insane degree over the last few years. It really hasn't "always" been this way, at all. But yeah, sick meme.
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you mean the new LIRR station in grand central didn't cut your commute by half?
sigh, i wish they'd just lay down more stations in places that don't have stations instead of just adding on to grand central...
We need to do projects big and small. It's important to do grand decades-long projects like GCM, upgrading tunnels under the Hudson, etc.
no, a grand decades-long project would've been extending subway stations to east queens proper as well as connecting brooklyn to queens outside of literally just astoria. maybe even giving poor staten island a subway period and north bronx more love. Maybe putting walls and doors on stations so people don't accidentally fall into the tracks or fully updating a signal system that's so ancient that they literally raid their own museum for replacement parts.
GCM was a goddamn shitshow and waste of money. It went over budget by about $8 billion dollars and the pure interest on the amount of money that needed to be borrowed will be paid off by my grandkids' kids and onwards at this point. what's worse is that it could've been avoided entirely if metro north and mta played nice but they couldn't because they've got their heads up their asses high off their own shit
i do not believe that i will see a proper subway extension within my lifetime at this rate. probably not even in 100 years. yet people keep talking about how cars need to be reduced in the city. im a cyclist and i see no way cars can be reduced in manhattan properly if the poorest people who live in the outer borough literally do not have a choice in the matter because we have no goddamn subway
this isn't a ding at you, im just really pissed off at the sad state of our transit system
It's not like the suburbs are any cheaper. Housing costs aren't significantly lower than they are in Manhattan, and are roughly similar to parts of Queens and Brooklyn and the cost of owning a car is like another $12-15k per year per car.
Where are you in Manhattan that you can buy a duplex for 300K-400k? Or rent a one bedroom apartment for 1800
https://www.apartments.com/240-37-69th-ave-queens-ny/q2dfpyw/
There are plenty of one bedrooms available in Queens and Brooklyn for 1800 or less. Right now on Streeteasy, there are 4 in Astoria, 1 in Woodside, 2 in Flushing, 5 near Prospect Park, and 1 in Sunset Park. All safe, walkable neighborhoods where cars are unnecessary and the commute to Manhattan would be 40 minutes or less.
But even paying $2400 in Manhattan, I still save a ton compared to living in Westchester. The extra ~7200 I spend on rent is half what I would spend on a car, and transportation here maxes out at $1524. Not to mention the significantly higher quality of life and far shorter commute.
I think you're exaggerating the cost of owning a car a little, and a 40 minute commute is a little generous for Flushing, Sunset Park and Prospect Park.
The median cost for owning a car in New York state is just under $14k per year per car. I'd be willing to bet for people in and around the city that's even higher considering gas prices and the cost of parking. But even if the net cost is the same, you're still saving time and have a much higher quality of life in the city vs the suburbs.
As for the commute times, I just looked at the time listed on Streeteasy to either my job in Lower Manhattan or my apartment in Midtown a 5 minute walk from GCT, whichever was closer. The longest was 38 minutes from the one in Sunset Park and it required a transfer.
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Exactly. America loves the education and enforcement model when it comes to policing vehicles, but that's exactly why most drivers blatantly ignore the rules. There are major cities all over the world that are comparable to NYC that don't have our issues, and that's cause NYC housing is so unaffordable, the road design encourages illegal parking/poor driving, and our public transit, bike infrastructure, and walking infrastructure is severely lacking.
Sure, compared to the rest of the US we're great but that's just cause the US sucks at public infrastructure.
An alternate, complementary idea is to build out a transit system comparable to say Tokyo, where even places (currently) 2 hours out can easily become a bedroom community for Manhattan.
Where are you living that it’s a 2+ hour commute??
sorry, a frankenstein coalition of old homeowners and leftists getting by on just vibes thinks that will drive gentrification and make the city unaffordable, and for some reason politicians listen to them.
They’re lying, they know it raises prices, they’re homeowners that’s what they want.
fair point, which makes all the [certain, not all] "progressive" talking points aligning with them all the more frustrating
Better than nothing, but who’s going to enforce this?
The problem with creating more rules and regulations
You make a good point, but I just want to point out that enforcement issues don't make pushing for better regulations futile.
Having a regulation, even if it isn't enforced, makes it a lot easier to push for change. When demanding action from elected representatives you have to give them something that is specific and actionable, and sometimes you have to go one step at a time.
"Fix placard abuse" is a very vague ask." Devote more resources into enforcing this specific regulation" is a very specific ask. Getting these rule changes on the books is a step in the right direction.
Thank you for saying this. There is a particular brand of internet apathy that insinuates that anything other than a silver bullet isn't worth pursuing, when in fact positive change is most often a long and incremental process.
It's a step for sure. How big of a step remains to be seen.
I can't help but think that a lot of measures like this and the bounty program for cars parked in bike lanes are a band aid on the much larger issue of the NYPD having contempt for the population they are supposed to serve. The cynic in me thinks that they will just flat out ignore this rule and if our elected officials do figure out a way to bring them to heel then cops will figure out another way to lash out.
And how can it be effectively enforced? Are they going to stand there with a stopwatch once a vehicle arrives at one of these spots? How does that scale?
And what if an unscrupulous service just rotates vehicles into these spots, preventing other companies from using a spot? Basically, squatting on the loading zone spots just so you know they are available.
I make these points as someone that lives near the Target and Trader Joe's in Kips bay. Both of these stores effectively block off full length tractor trailer truck spaces in front of their stores. Trader Joes at 31st and 3rd takes up that space AND double parks the truck next to it, taking up 2 lanes immediately before a bunch of bus stops and then the turn onto 34th st to get to the midtown tunnel and FDR Drive on ramps. It's a huge problem and apparently the city doesn't care?
We need a more comprehensive solution. Maybe move all loading zones off the avenues and onto the side streets, expand citi bike docking station footprints, dedicate lanes to busses on the avenues more strictly enforced, build bike lanes on the avenues that are protected by sidwalks from car traffic. I know it can't all be done at once but proposals that are more fully envisioned can actually show that there is a full plan to make the city more hospitable to people, not just cars.
> And how can it be effectively enforced?
My favorite idea is copying the idle vehicle law: take a video, if the vehicle is there for 2 minutes, the owner gets fined, the videotaker gets a cut of the fine.
Set loading/unloading times for loading zones? Scan the registration for cars and pass through every 30 (or whatever) minutes?
That could work but only for an individual vehicle. What’s to stop amazon from just rotating delivery vans trucks and hoarding the spots?
Nothing, but isn’t that the intent? Does it matter if it’s Amazon or usps or FedEx, as long as the turnover is high?
I don't think people realize that the whole existence of placards is blatant corruption in itself. They're never going to enforce them. There's no reason for any particular person in any organization or position to have a placard and be able to park where others can't. What separates cops from civilians in terms of needing their own parking spaces for their civilian cars? It makes no sense.
Make displaying placards illegal with progressive fines:
$100; $250; $1,000 and impound.
It’s the equivalent of displaying a police badge for no official purpose. It’s basically impersonation of a police officer.
To counter your point, there are city personnel whose job is to make multiple site visits a day (inspectors, construction personnel, etc.) Instead of filing paperwork for every meter paid, and the processing it takes to get reimbursed, the placard saves time on city resources. It also allows quicker parking so they can get business done and spend less time in their cars.
These actual legitimate placards only apply in ‘No Parking’ and meter zones. Unfortunately everyone lumps them with all the cops that abuse their fake ones on bike lanes and crosswalks.
I understand your point and it makes sense. But those people should be using official vehicles with the logo of their organization. If that's not a rule, make it one. Only then should placards be acceptable.
What about WAV/Disability plates and placards?
The air traffic controllers went on strike even though it was illegal to go out on strike. Ronald Reagan fired all of them for cause and brought in the national guard to control air traffic while new ones were being trained.
Elect politicians that will take open defiance of the law by public servants seriously and the problem will get solved. Don’t and it won’t.
Strikes are never illegal.
Strikes are workers putting down their tools.
Telling someone it's illegal to put down their tools? Sounds like slavery.
Fuck Reagan.
Are you familiar with the Taylor Law
Setting aside what's "right", public-sector strikes are illegal in New York. The flipside is union contracts continue in perpetuity when a new one isn't negotiated (the "Triborough Amendment"), unlike in the private sector. It creates a strong status quo bias.
>The Public Employees Fair Employment Act, more commonly known as the Taylor Law, is Article 14 of the New York State Civil Service Law, which defines the rights and limitations of unions for public employees in New York. The Public Employees Fair Employment Act (the Taylor Law) is a New York State statute, named after labor researcher George W. Taylor. It authorizes a governor-appointed State Public Employment Relations Board to resolve contract disputes for public employees while curtailing their right to strike. The law provides for mediation and binding arbitration to give voice to unions, but work stoppages are made punishable with fines and jail time.
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Slavery was permitted by The State.
It was always wrong, always immoral.
If you cant stop working, you are a slave. Currently, barring a criminal conviction in a court, slavery is not allowed in the US.
Yes, slavery was and is immoral. You said illegal though, not immoral. Folks are of course free to quit their jobs, they don't have to keep working for the government. A strike is a little more specific than that.
Also if you don't like that it's illegal, advocate for making it legal by repealing the Taylor Law
Is Moral Law, law?
Is a white horse, a horse?
If the Moral Law, is Law, then strikes are never illegal
If Moral Law is not Law, then white horses arent horses.
You are always free to quit. That’s what an illegal strike is—a bunch of civil servants quitting.
In your mind, how's this different than a "legal" strike?
Isnt that also, from your view "a bunch of civil servants quitting"?
One is legal and the other is illegal. That’s the difference.
If you are some kind of law doesn’t matter anarchist, what are you doing in a government job in the first place?
Immoral laws deserve no respect.
Not all laws are the same.
I also support runaway slaves. The moral law > the legal law
So you’re saying you’ll happily suck off the public teat but the second it’s convenient for you, all of a sudden you’re Henry David Thoreau.
I got it, your values are whatever is best for you in the moment. Lots of people like that.
You're a bad troll
The fact that you think moral law is "whatever is best for me in the moment" shows how absolutely idiotic you are.
0/10, wont reply again
yeah when Reagan did that it essentially was the end of ‘workers rights’ and it’s been all downhill as the ‘bosses’ know they have all the power while the ‘workers’ have nothing
So how come the bosses (aka voters) have to pay for parking and the workers park wherever they want? How does that fit into your neat, little theory of the world?
It's important to me that the NYPD officers commuting by car into the city are able to have a free place to park. It's unfortunate enough that they have to be at work five days a week, rather than working from home.
Maybe we could shift their placarded cars from the sidewalks to someplace easier to park, like in front of schools, or we could reserve spots for them directly in front of the pesky fire hydrants.
After all, driving in from Westcheter, New Jersey, or Long Island can make somebody tired, so it's better to make things easier for them.
/s
I was so ready to smash that downvote button till I saw the /s
Where can one complain about political abuse by idiotic politicians?
The ballot box.
That has worked well for nys for last 10 years. As Stalin said. It doesn't matter who votes but who counts the votes.
Are you saying there is vast election fraud in New York?
With lack of ID use. Anything is possible. Check last few election results for mayor. Certain parts of city voted 99% for deblasio, which is statistically impossible. That and few new Yorkers come out to vote. They just complain.
So yes? You're claiming election results in New York are deliberately falsified?
I'm not claiming anything. It just seems suspicious that terrible politicians can do wrong and walk back into office. In terms of your ballot box theory, it doesn't work. Tammany Hall runs the show. Our votes never count.
So you don't think there is widespread election fraud taking place in New York?
It’s not explicitly a rule pertaining to placard abuse, just making loading zones a more legally entrenched use case for street space.
Ah, this is one of those "nothing is good; everything sucks" threads.
A staple.
Give everyone a placard so they become worthless
please make sure you're writing your comment on reddit and the comment section on the link above!
My proposal:
First offense: $100 fine
Second offense: car gets turned into a little cube and we build a cool pyramid of car cubes somewhere as a tourist attraction
Bunch of crybabies.
You seem upset do you want to talk about it
Sounds more like: “Snitchin Season”
Personally? Don’t even own a car.
Edit: New trains will be released this year with no individual cars. Continuous open car system throughout the entire train similar to Europe and Asia. Homeless Stank deadass about to be what all commuters going to breathe in the future
Which validates my belief the best station in NYC is in the seat of your own car. Fuck Mass transit.
Seen plenty of doodoo on the subway today but minimal delays so
Not you editing your comment to be racist & classist 💀💀
Sounds like a you problem
Nah it’s a you problem
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Your mother and I couldn’t agree more. Sorry son.
Not the pettiness 💀
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outer borough transit is trash. i dont have a car but there's often times I literally cannot get to places unless I go for a 40 min walk
Queens deserves more subways in the eastern areas
more? any would be a good start. There's no subway past 180 st. The borough goes up to 250 st or so
My commute to work is 30-40 mins with a car. Two hours via a bus and train. From queens to bk
Interborough Express will change that, having a line from Jackson Heights to Bay Ridge
Well we gotta make do in the meantime...
I believe that everyone in urban areas should have options to get around that aren’t half assed, other than driving
Interborough express will do next to nothing for the majority of people living in Queens. There’s only 5 stations in queens in the proposed line, with 14 in Brooklyn. Unless you live around the are that they are building the line, it will likely still be faster to go through Manhattan for a lot of Queens to Brooklyn trips.
Look at how big Queens is. There are large parts of Queens that are a massive transit desert (for example East of Flushing Corona Park or Around LGA). How will 5 stations fix any of that?
Obviously that’s not enough, there needs to be more subways in Queens, such as an A train extension on Liberty Ave or a 7 train extension to somewhere on the former CRRLI Main line
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You certainly can. I lived in the middle of Queens for a decade without a car. It’s not particularly hard.
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I haven’t heard it used that way. But just to check my sanity I googled it and from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boroughs_of_New_York_City it says that “outer boroughs “ refer to all the boroughs besides Manhattan.
Colloquially, outer Burroughs has started to be used in a way that excludes easy to get to portions of the non Manhattan Burroughs. No one thinks of Williamsburg or Long Island City as “the outer Burroughs.”
That's wrong.
Outer Boros means "non Manhattan"
So yes, downtown Brooklyn is "outer boro"
Also, I don't use that phrase myself, cause its pointless.
The “right” or “wrong” definition of a thing doesn’t really matter when you’re talking about the context of how a term is being used.
Speakers of language are capable of using language incorrectly.
Saying "LIC isnt part of the outer boros" is a misuse of language
Irrelevant to the discussion. The statement was that the term has started to only to be used in a manner that excludes neighborhoods close to Manhattan, not what the dictionary has to say about it.
Language is ever evolving. Describing it in terms of “right and wrong” is only useful academically.
Individuals dont get to redefine words.
Calling my shoes Gavagai doesn't make it so.
This is a laughably awful take.
Historians can give you enormous lists of words that have changed meanings over time, starting with an influential local colloquial meaning that spread to the rest of the speakers of that language. This is how dialects and, eventually, new languages are born. How do you think the Romance languages emerged from Latin?
Awful and awesome, for instance, used to be synonyms, and awesome meaning “great” was a relatively recent linguistic change. Meaning of the word cool changing due to slang usage is another obvious example.
These changes start with individuals using words and phrases in different ways, and those changes being spread by word of mouth. People can, do and historically have changed the meaning of words.
In short, /u/brownredgreen - what you just typed was one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
People =/= a person
People change language. A person does not.
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That has to change
The outer boros really aren’t a problem for cars. The problem is when they drive them to Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn and park with fake placards, or fake plates.
THIS
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Enjoy traffic & trying to find the decreasing amount of parking
My excuse to own a car is quite frankly none of your business.
Ok, u didn’t eat lmao
My wife works in NJ. She needs a car. Lots of people in that position.
Snitch on every crime.
Cross every picket line.
Obey every law.
This is the creed I live by. Some of us like an orderly society.
This guy's never jaywalked in his life
Dude would tell on his own mama
I get it, I do. But the constant posting on the New York subs about this shit is ridiculous. The city is rife with real issues, move the fuck on
This is a lawlessness and grift we can actually see, it represents everything wrong in the city,
NYPD is involved in organized crime, the transit system is in shambles, our infrastructure is falling apart, our mayor is a corrupt moron, homelessness is out of control.
This sub: City workers abusing placards to park is a giant issue! Cmon son
Those two paragraphs are the same issue.
This is very much a real issue.
Dollars to donuts this has never effected your life
You abusing a placard or what?
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That’s awfully rich coming from someone living in Palm Springs
I own property in Palm Springs as well as vegas, I was born and raised and live full time in Brooklyn. Play yourself harder
Just glad I retired and left the city. FYI, I parked my car wherever I felt like, so keep hating.
Thanks for leaving.
I’m happy for you
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This doesn't fix the problem with placard abuse.
This just adds one more place where traffic and parking enforcement will refuse to write tickets on cars with placards, out of professional courtesy.
The only way to stop placard abuse is to punish parking enforcement officers who refuse to write tickets on placarded cars.