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cddotdotslash t1_j7g56cx wrote

The A/C.

Saved you a click.

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Donny_Crane t1_j7ge29u wrote

Worst to first

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MaybeSecondBestMan t1_j7grv9a wrote

Comeback of the decade. Though I wonder if these open passageway cars will be a blessing or a curse. Now you can enjoy showtime from three cars away. And no sense in avoiding the empty car with somebody nodding off in a puddle of their own piss and shit—it’s all one car now. “We’re all in this together” will never be more true of the daily subway commute.

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EWC_2015 t1_j7gu9z1 wrote

Now instead of the "jump out at the next station and rush to the next car to escape the crazy yelling guy threatening to kill everyone" experience, you get the "rush back and forth down an entire train length for the duration of the commute because now there's nowhere to go!" experience.

I guess it'll be good for your exercise regimen.

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MaybeSecondBestMan t1_j7gx27c wrote

I was on the A the other night when an older woman started slamming her shopping trolly against the doors and screaming at the top of her lungs. The girl next to me looked at me and shook her head, “We gotta get the fuck out of New York.”

Now we can’t even get out of the car!

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AffectionateSoup2011 t1_j7k60qo wrote

I see her every 3rd time I'm on the A train btw.... She loxes to randomly scream very loudly too for no reason.

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DeepThinkingMachine t1_j7n9tti wrote

Nuts usually do this when they have a captive audience. Same reason random folks blast their music for no apparent reason. People sane or insane want attention they’re not getting anywhere else

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bigdocksmallrock t1_j7j2lh6 wrote

In practice I think when they studied this they observed fewer crazy people everywhere this open gangway design was implemented. It seems that the crazy people felt emboldened by the fact that there was only a few people in the room them the doors shut.

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SonicMuaytime t1_j7kj130 wrote

Im honestly glad that I will feel less trapped when my cars subway doors won’t open-might not be logical but still. And the cameras? That’s amazing! I wish they would add cameras to even the old trains

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DeepThinkingMachine t1_j7na05c wrote

Cameras that will be broken by end of day 1? MTA cameras don’t even work in the station, you think they’ll function on the subway?

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SonicMuaytime t1_j7nb8sb wrote

They work in dôme stations. And i thought the same thing about Omni but shockingly they still going strong.

Im a lifetime New Yorker and I hate to have hope but I admit I kinda want to

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[deleted] t1_j7hdgj9 wrote

Only two trains out of the entire order have the open-gangway design, so it won't be too easy to gauge how successful they are here. The upcoming A division order (R262) is going to be open gangway-only apparently, but that's several years off

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RyzinEnagy t1_j7ki66y wrote

With all the train noise you'll hardly hear Showtime three or four cars away. What's more likely is that they'll be offended when ppl start walking away from their performances. Or Showtime dies altogether idk.

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djphan2525 t1_j7hs1z3 wrote

i imagine the benefits will outweigh the risks especially with the number of accidents that involved changing cars that will now completely be gone...

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woodcider t1_j7ijl6n wrote

Seems like a lot of those accidents involved people peeing between cars. Now they’ll just pee inside the cars. That’s better I guess.

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HKtoSFtoNY t1_j7itqaa wrote

it makes sense. they would replace the oldest with the newest and repeat.

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KeefCheef t1_j7i314t wrote

thanks I do my best to avoid giving the post clicks

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bknativenyc t1_j7k5mhl wrote

Didn’t the A/C get the R179? A few years ago?

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Abstractt_ t1_j7l03kc wrote

Only for half the fleet, the remaining half uses the older ones

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RedOrca-15483 t1_j7g943w wrote

high-tech? Most major systems run by competent organizations already have most of the features of the r211. the MTA is not bringing the future, they are just playing catch-up.

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Slggyqo t1_j7ggcqt wrote

Ehhh…maybe if they’re relatively new, like in some Asian countries.

People like to tout the Paris metro as an example of mass transit expansion, but many Paris subway lines have trains with manually operated doors. Train advancements are not a priority there.

I’ve ridden the MTA, DC Metro, Paris subway, several Tokyo train lines, and the subway in Seoul, and the MTA measures up fine.

The main way the MTA falls short these days has more to do with our homelessness and mental illness crises than details of the subway.

Edit: Paris trains also don’t have AC.

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ManhattanRailfan t1_j7gh7h4 wrote

And it's not like the MTA can do anything about homelessness. They can't build affordable housing or implement universal healthcare.

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Slggyqo t1_j7ghr16 wrote

Exactly, it’s a symptom of a greater problem, not a failure of the MTA.

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ctindel t1_j7gt7k8 wrote

We don’t need them to we just need them to keep the homeless people out of the train and stations.

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AcrossAmerica t1_j7upkwl wrote

Hard and expensive problem to solve.

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ctindel t1_j7urfcy wrote

It’s not that hard to solve and we already have the most expensive police force in the country, so yeah let’s just have them take care of it.

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GnRgr2 t1_j7hdbml wrote

They absolutely can keep them out. If the police can search me without probable cause, there should be a hygiene and "dont disturb the peace" standard.

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ikemr t1_j7gjmth wrote

This deserves all the likes

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SnooSongs2714 t1_j7k4d14 wrote

The subways are NYC’s mobile homeless shelters/asylums.

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Commotion t1_j7gndkd wrote

I was just in Paris, and multiple times, the metro train I was on was literally from the 1960s-1970s. And you could tell.

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birthdaycakefig t1_j7kfsco wrote

How frequent did it run and how consistent was the service though? That’s all I care about.

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Commotion t1_j7lihqk wrote

It was consistent and frequent, yes. Generally, better headways than I’ve experienced in New York - but both systems are huge so it’s hard to draw any conclusions based on my experience. I know at least some Paris metro lines do have more frequent service than some (all?) subway lines.

Paris metro was generally more disgusting than the subway, though, which was a surprise to me.

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birthdaycakefig t1_j7lp77b wrote

Oh interesting on the cleanliness aspect. I don’t recall noticing that when I was there.

The biggest things I’ve noticed in Paris and London is how I never waited for a train more than 4-5 minutes at any time. In nyc I’m often waiting 10+ for some lines even before 11pm.

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mrchumblie t1_j7gm83o wrote

Thank you. Everyone loves to shit on the MTA. While some of it is deserved, I think they do a pretty exceptional job for the most part. People don’t treat the stations or cars with respect because of other issues that are outside of the MTAs control.

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SolutionRelative4586 t1_j7i6d6b wrote

Eh, I wouldn't say the MTA is "exceptional" for the most part. They drop the ball on really big, important things (and a lot of little but important things, like keeping the place clean).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html

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mrchumblie t1_j7i7szw wrote

Yeah I think I meant to say acceptable, not exceptional lol. Whoops

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b1argg t1_j7gmyra wrote

I was recently in Singapore and their MRT made me want to cry.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7h0lff wrote

what happens to people who leave trash in the trains there?

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ads3df3daf34 t1_j7hkx96 wrote

As a former SG resident, this questions make no sense in their culture.

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b1argg t1_j7ht3a4 wrote

Yeah but durians

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ads3df3daf34 t1_j7ihx6c wrote

When I first moved there I couldn't understand why every taxi had a no smoking and no spikey bomb sign on the window.

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JE163 t1_j7hc0ye wrote

The same thing that should happen here!

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donttouchthirdrail t1_j7glsh1 wrote

There’s plenty of things to criticize about the MTA, but “not refreshing their entire fleet every decade” is not one of them

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ThinVast t1_j7gnd5g wrote

high tech trains have charging stations, microled/oled glass windows, completely automated etc. which already are in use in some metro systems around the world. The fact that the windows are smaller in R211 because the doors are too big is a step back in technology. In modern trains, they easily overcome this problem by making doors slide out over the windows.

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IIAOPSW t1_j7h1bqj wrote

Bro literally nothing will satisfy you. They don't buy new cars: "oh wow what losers we're soo far behind the rest of the world." They do buy new cars: "that's not the future, they're just playing catch up to the rest of the world." Pick a lane

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Bradaigh t1_j7hl389 wrote

How about they buy new cars when they're actually new? There's literally plenty that would satisfy.

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dman7456 t1_j7gggxy wrote

With whom are they playing catch up? I know Europe and Japan are way ahead of the US with transit, but are there other US systems that already have comparable trains?

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carpy22 t1_j7glkfz wrote

We used to have them from the 1930s to 1960s. Visit the transit museum's triplex cars. This isn't new technology.

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RedOrca-15483 t1_j7gqk3r wrote

Europe and East Asia

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BerezanUnassisted514 t1_j7h8pda wrote

Where in Europe?

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[deleted] t1_j7hdrje wrote

The Elizabeth Line in London feels 50 years ahead of anything we have in NYC. Stockholm's entire system is pretty great too, as is Copenhagen's fully-automated 24/7 metro

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BerezanUnassisted514 t1_j7hkwbe wrote

Ok so a single literally just opened line in London. It is nice, pretty similar to the 2nd Ave line when just opened. That project is pretty great overall though, a crosstown express link like that would be amazing in NYC.

I’m not personally familiar with it, but as far as I can tell Copenhagen is a light rail system comprised of a total of 4 lines with less than 300k daily ridership. Not exactly comparable to NYC in any way.

Also not personally familiar with Stockholm, but it doesn’t look revolutionary as far as I can tell. It also serves 1/4 of the stations and 1/5 of the daily riders as the NYC subway. What makes it so good?

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[deleted] t1_j7hp2ji wrote

Of course most European cities aren't operating a system on the scale of NYC's, since almost none of their cities are the same size. What's different is a series of almost night / day differences in quality of life, when using those systems.

The expectation here should be that we have stations as clean and functional as the ones in Stockholm or Copenhagen- i.e., working toward full accessibility, well-lit, floors not covered in decades of chewing gum, no puddles of urine or mysterious black gunk dripping from the ceiling, tolerable noise levels, no horrible odors almost everywhere, no poisonous diesel fumes from work trains, benches you don't dread sitting on, etc. Basically, conditions you'd expect in any normal public building (like a library).

I'm also aware that plenty of sub-par systems exist around Europe, and there's no point in lumping the whole continent together.

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BenHogan1971 t1_j7iy7r3 wrote

this is why, when a previous commenter said that the MTA does a fairly good job, I (mostly) agree.

it's in large part that no other system in the world has to deal with asshole people like littering, graffitiing, cursing, spitting, eating, puking, defecating, pissing, smoking, injecting, vandalizing, mentally unstable, poor, homeless, rude, inconsiderate, 24/7, blase, New Yorkers

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BerezanUnassisted514 t1_j7hq5kp wrote

This is not a transit issue, that is a societal issue.

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[deleted] t1_j7i8f2u wrote

Keeping the system clean and comfortable to use is one of the MTA's basic responsibilities.

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BerezanUnassisted514 t1_j7ic6qa wrote

And what is the main issue they face? Homelessness. Do transportation authorities elsewhere deal with anything remotely comparable?

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[deleted] t1_j7kcowj wrote

No doubt it's a major issue, but it doesn't explain the state of neglect so much of the system is in. The message NYC is sending is that we've just given up on trying to improve things.

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BerezanUnassisted514 t1_j7knov4 wrote

It almost entirely explains most of the issues you pointed to. The system has become filthy and unkept because it is a de facto homeless shelter. The safety concerns largely stem from the same issue.

There are maintenance items that could certainly be improved, but at what cost? Are we okay with weekend and overnight service being dramatically cut to allow for cosmetic maintenance? It’s much easier to polish stations when they’re closed every night.

I’m not giving the MTA a full pass, they waste money at an impressive rate, I just think it’s important to put some of these things into context. This is not Copenhagen, the issues faced are very different in many respects.

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FavoriteChild t1_j7hwnod wrote

Why single out Europe? East Asia has everyone put to shame: Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Tokyo, Taipei, etc.

Was just in Taipei last month and coming back to NYC was jarring. Their subways are impeccably timed, clean, well-lit, have cell-signal, etc. Just about every station has public restrooms that are well-maintained and don't smell of perpetual urine. They even have barricades to the track, which some people might have you believe is an impossible goal to have.

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railsonrails t1_j7h99mw wrote

Not the US, but both Toronto and Montréal have had open gangway trains for a while now

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Grass8989 t1_j7g41tq wrote

Now instead of stenches being isolated to single subway car, everyone gets the experience!

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Manacit t1_j7gd9x2 wrote

Seems like the MTA should fix the smelling problem instead of kneecapping train capacity to isolate it

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UnusualAd6529 t1_j7hexzk wrote

This is such a stupid complaint. Istg New York gets any kind of transit improvements we have been begging for and new yorkers throw a fit about it lmao

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birthdaycakefig t1_j7kg4hg wrote

And yet so many people will use the same shitty stuff as a badge of honor.

Wait, you actually want change? “Real New Yorkers just deal with all this shit because we’re tough”

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b0xtarts t1_j7g5okg wrote

>oppose

yup... not looking forward to this redesign... smell worries me but also violence

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Grass8989 t1_j7g6k9b wrote

These train cars are a good idea in a society where there’s an expectation of order and decent behavior on public transportation, but since we’ve decided that doesn’t matter it’s not going to work out well.

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Rich-Explorer421 t1_j7heulp wrote

Exactly. In Tokyo, where I grew up, I could travel on the subway by myself at the age of 9 and nobody so much as litters in the tracks let alone misbehave inside a train. We lack civility and decency in NYC, which is why this new type of train will be beset by people problems

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meantnothingatall t1_j7g842o wrote

The other day someone got on the train, knife in hand, and everyone from that car was able to leave that one and close off the door from him until the following stop where the police were waiting.

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iv2892 t1_j7hhsg7 wrote

This makes the trains safer actually

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idontlikeanyofyou t1_j7gul7k wrote

I think it makes the trains safer. No more being isolated from other passengers.

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cgfn t1_j7gefu2 wrote

Yeah, and every car is the showtime car

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k1lk1 t1_j7g9nkn wrote

Also I assume there will be a shit load of video ads playing.

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ctindel t1_j7gtioz wrote

Seriously, what non-train-riding asshole thought this was a good idea

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iv2892 t1_j7hhn0s wrote

Thats not how it works , other countries have been doing this . NYC is following suit

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Grass8989 t1_j7hk5dt wrote

Other countries also don’t put up with a sliver of the shit that’s allowed to occur in our subway system.

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iv2892 t1_j7hn2ae wrote

They are isolated cases , I see this as an improvement . But of course , not everyone is going to be happy. But we will get used to it

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iv2892 t1_j7hna8g wrote

And this also gives the advantage to the conductor in case somebody is being unruly . Easier to deal with

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woodcider t1_j7ikiqy wrote

I don’t know what you expect conductors to do that they’re not already doing.

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The_Lone_Apple t1_j7ga228 wrote

So no escaping the stench of the guy who craps himself or being able to get away from the loud guy who is clearly trying to start something with anyone. Also no getting away from a mariachi band, backflippers, idiots who think a subway is a party space, and anyone else who doesn't realize you just sit there quietly and wait until your stop so you can escape the horror of being with other people.

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[deleted] t1_j7hesba wrote

Only 20 cars of the 535-car order have open gangways. Those are basically a test run, so it's a non-issue

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DeepThinkingMachine t1_j7nbfrd wrote

Not a non-issue for the lucky ones who have to have these two trains once a day… hope you get it with a nut job or two

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gloryhole_reject t1_j7jaxlz wrote

Unpopular opinion: subway performers are awesome and cool, especially mariachi bands. It's part of what makes living in ny so fun

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The_Lone_Apple t1_j7k58dd wrote

Admittedly, I like mariachi music. Not at full volume singing an inch away from me, but in general.

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birthdaycakefig t1_j7kgd5z wrote

Most are fine, except the showtime folks that want to use a packed train as a circus and get aggressive when someone who’s just trying to get home is standing somewhere they are totally entitled to stand.

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JordanRulz t1_j7kub9p wrote

Showtime is why I bought AirPods Pro Gen 2 for the improved noise cancelling

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Theworldssmallestdad t1_j7grsbm wrote

Do they know yet if these will be autobots or decepticons?

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CarlCarbonite t1_j7hgfh9 wrote

Unicron. Soon, the entire subway system will come to life and consume New Jersey. Freeing us from our eternal shackles.

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TheNormalAlternative t1_j7g9byo wrote

Now with cameras! But will they function?

And how hard is it to get wifi on new cars?!

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Kindly-Feeling3297 t1_j7gnh2d wrote

Let's not. Someone was blasting tiktok audio from their phone the other day. I loved the parts where we were in between stations.

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GoRangers5 t1_j7go1x4 wrote

And with facial recognition software, they can send a ticket right to their door.

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Pool_Shark t1_j7gsszr wrote

Wifi? If anything they need to build emps on the train so we don’t have to listen to other peoples phone calls or blasting music/ videos

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edtheoddfish t1_j7gwdt5 wrote

I’ve had to move train cars because a weirdo made me feel unsafe, now I’d have to leave the train and wait for the next train. Lame

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birthdaycakefig t1_j7kglsm wrote

I mean you can do the same as before? That weirdo was still able to follow you and move between cars in the same exact way you did.

IMO this is better because you don’t have to wait for a stop to move cars and find a more crowded car. In fact, I like this because I think it’ll be easier to see where people are late night and move closer to other normals as opposed to being alone in one car when the crazy joins you.

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DeepThinkingMachine t1_j7nahy7 wrote

There’s at least two crazies to each subway train. I guess one car will ultimately have all the nutters in one car now

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WheatlyWoodson t1_j7gd1m0 wrote

We're getting new bathrooms.

-The Homeless

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allexesteven t1_j7gl7r3 wrote

how much do these babies screech on boylston st turn?

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I_am_qns_blvd t1_j7ghpbo wrote

How long before it gets permanent human waste smell?

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nickifer t1_j7gwnzv wrote

no doors for the homeless to open to walk between cars either. i give it 24 hours

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brewmonk t1_j7inpfn wrote

Love how these trains are designed and purchased by people who probably don't regularly ride the subway. Vertical grab bars are once again near the doors, blocking people coming on and off. Horizontal grab bars are set in too far, making then only reachable by people 5'7" and above. Same experience as the existing R trains.

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olli_bombastico t1_j7kqhm9 wrote

You don't love shoving your genitals in people's faces when trying to reach the horizontal bars?

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brewmonk t1_j7ni32i wrote

I don’t have a problem with that. I have a problem with avoiding the bottom of the shoes of people who cross their legs to make space from said genitals. I don’t want the bottom of soles that have just trodden on the gross subway platform to touch my pant leg.

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[deleted] t1_j7h63r0 wrote

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megamom71 t1_j7iaqac wrote

At least now police can't hide in another car behind doors

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analog_x700 t1_j7hdlof wrote

The other night I got on the train twice and there were a few cars with homeless people sleeping in them, a violent guy kicking at the doors and threatening to fuck people up, and the smell of shit lingering strongly in the air.

Now obviously most trips aren’t like this, but it happens. And when it does, you can just move over to a different car. With open gangway cars, however, it’s going to be a bit harder to do that, no?

I never understood the appeal and reason for them, but if that’s going to be part of the subway experience, it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out - for better or for worse.

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DeepThinkingMachine t1_j7nbsr7 wrote

I don’t get on the subway after 10pm anymore. As a teen and in my 20s I’d take the subway until 2 or 3am with no care whatsoever. It’s just not safe anymore. Good alternative (and just a smidge pricier) is the express bus.

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banksy_h8r t1_j7hin59 wrote

> The open-gangway trains link together the first five cars and the last five cars of the train, allowing passengers to more easily move between the front half or back half, a setup that is common on major European subways like London and Paris.

Now the retch-inducing stench can pervade 50% of the train instead of just 10%! And now you'll hear the Big Show multiple times as it travels down the train!

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brewmonk t1_j7ilomv wrote

I was just in London. I don't remember cars being open gangway.

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Mdayofearth t1_j7gou58 wrote

Now the smells of summer homelessness can fill the entire train.

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DelayedNewYorker t1_j7gw305 wrote

I just hope these cars are quieter. The screeching is unbearable sometimes.

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Unable-Ad3852 t1_j7iwxwl wrote

That gangway passage is not really soundproofed. Will be extra screechy.

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TrekkerMcTrekkerface t1_j7heyf2 wrote

"Bet this beats the subway car you rode to work."

No....I would rather any carriage but these new ones. I'm rather partial to R46 and R40 thank you.

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foskonsing t1_j7hh0po wrote

Now the smelly homeless person taking a carriage on his own will wreak the whole entire train with his “I haven’t showered in 6 months” smell.

Great.

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Ok-Strain-9847 t1_j7g93nt wrote

I'd just like to see new cars on the Crosstown (Yellow for tourists) line, rather than ones that were made before I was born (I am 63).

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sillo38 t1_j7ga4n6 wrote

They’ll probably make it to the N/Q/W eventually, but the R46s that run on the A/C seem to be in worse shape.

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Ok-Strain-9847 t1_j7gafyg wrote

Certainly on the C line.

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DJBabyB0kCh0y t1_j7gevra wrote

I kinda miss the R32s. The heating on them was amazing, even tho it was probably produced by straight up burning oil.

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kent2441 t1_j7go078 wrote

Their A/C was wonderful too!

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DeepThinkingMachine t1_j7ncpny wrote

Yeah I was hoping the B/D would’ve got these new ones but then realized the best AC in the entire subway is on those bad boys. MTA definitely didn’t give a flying fuck about energy efficiency/conservation in those days 😂

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die-microcrap-die t1_j7hi5ej wrote

Looking forward to the homeless, the edgy young kids smoking in the car, plus the new trend of bringing dogs in without a carrying case and of course, not one cop to help in sight.

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casicua t1_j7gl30u wrote

Is it gonna make them any less late? That’s literally all I care about.

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bkornblith t1_j7grvkh wrote

no because the issue with cars being late has to do with tracks and signals which in exactly zero ways are getting improved by this

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Enigma7ic t1_j7h3ksx wrote

In the article they mentioned that the cars are compatible with the new autonomous system that has been slowly rolling out over the past 5 years. So theoretically, yes, these cars would help with trains being on time since they don’t have to rely on antique signaling systems. As long as the train line itself has finished installing the beacons (I think it’s like 1 every 20 feet)

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Krudark t1_j7h6d04 wrote

Do they have wifi now?

No…

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iv2892 t1_j7hhj5m wrote

This is good, glad to see the city is modernizing its trains

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dadabus t1_j7j2bkq wrote

Aren’t platform edge doors way more important? With this “sleek design” for $3.2 billion, crazy people can still not only push you in front of the train but also chase you the whole length of the train up and down. Bravo MTA!

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StarbrandAlex t1_j7hleuh wrote

Open gangway train cars are awesome. Looking forward to these rolling out to my lines.

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DJSoggyFries t1_j7i7jg4 wrote

I can't help but think that the people complimenting the MTA either have very short commutes within Manhattan, or don't actually ride the subway. Crazy/loud people and disgusting smells aside, the service is terrible.

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dalina319 t1_j7kgnwt wrote

Hard agree. I commute on the E/F where it's 5 minutes between express stops in Queens and those are a long and tense five minutes when there is someone unhinged and there's nowhere to go.

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JobeX t1_j7idlz3 wrote

I hate them

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Due_Masterpiece_3601 t1_j7iqbuj wrote

Bro all I want is a service that gets there on time and is clean. I don't give a fuck about monitor displays, wifi and all the bullshit. Who comes up with the budget for these?

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Comprehensive_Heat25 t1_j7n0a79 wrote

Clearly throwing money at the MTA doesn’t make them get service to an acceptable level so might as well make cosmetic changes and upgrades to distract from the shit service.

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gardenpartytime t1_j7j7ttz wrote

The last time I visited nyc I took the A at night to Inwood, and the last car was almost empty. A rough-looking woman was berating and threatening her husband over his phone bill. I caught her eye and she gave me a homicidal stare. I guess I’ll try the new A next time but it would have to be daytime.

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WednesdayKnights t1_j7jqio6 wrote

Great, so if one car stinks of rancid homeless dude, all cars stink of rancid homeless dude. Not only that, you can’t get away from the assclowns who don’t use headphones and use their phones like it’s their living rooms. And to top it off, the A/C line starts this off. The spitters are going to have a field day trying to see how far they can spit into the next car.

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Figbud t1_j7ke5cy wrote

I wonder how they'll go about representing stations on these trains.. I'm guessing it'll be the fully digital system like on the M and G trains (the only ones I remember off the top of my head)

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Whocanmakemostmoney t1_j7nzil4 wrote

It's gonna be good for beggers because they don't have to hop on hop off to the next cart.

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Noor_awsome2 t1_j7xic4q wrote

I wonder how far the smell of a homeless person reaches between cars.

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em349nw t1_j81rkht wrote

to replace R46 that's the W/N line

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SunnyinSunnyside t1_j7h1rag wrote

This type of infrastructure works perfectly in Europe, Asia, but most definitely won't in New York City in its current condition. Travel to cities like Brussels, Belgium (only place I've and seen the open-gangway, and maybe Beijing too but can't recall) and ride their metro - it's a comfortable and low stress experience.

There's been no noticeable improvement in the control of unhoused & EDP riding the subway over the last 6 months, having cops at every station hasn't (and won't in the future) improve safety.

The BART in San Francisco, a place which many label as having worse problems, has 'sleek high-tech' cars, with no open gangway.

There will be blood spilt on these new subway cars, hopefully not too much, particularly as the pilot is targeted over the spring & summer. Until something is implemented on a large scale to control and treat the drug-addled and mentally disturbed populace here, and incarcerate the career criminals -- we can't have nice things.

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iv2892 t1_j7hi39a wrote

It will work in nyc, give it a chance. It’s time to improve. I like that they are starting to modernize

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SunnyinSunnyside t1_j7i3f7h wrote

NYC will be a floating city in the clouds , like the metropolis in Star Wars, we will give that a chance too and it will assuredly happen.

The open gangway subway I'm afraid, will fail atrociously and embarrass the city in front of the world. Certain measures are absolutely required for it to begin and be sustainable in the people management scope, and they are not complete.

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Rich-Explorer421 t1_j7hfbds wrote

True. And every time I see a group of cops at a station, they’re standing around doing nothing, not even paying attention to who’s getting on or off the trains 🙄

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iliveoffofbagels t1_j7juj97 wrote

nice open gangway... now one puddle of urine doesn't have to stuck on one car. The love can be shared with all passengers on any car. <3

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NY08 t1_j7i8m6g wrote

Now the stupid f beggars can peddle their candy bars with ease between stops

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nicktherat t1_j7i97fb wrote

Can't wait for them to get covered in piss and hobo juices

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kisalaya89 t1_j7jae0h wrote

Yayyy new homeless shelters!

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PuzzleheadedWalrus71 t1_j7ge9g5 wrote

These trains are a bad idea.

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jay5627 t1_j7grdgg wrote

Why

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PuzzleheadedWalrus71 t1_j7hctru wrote

They're a bad idea in NYC because too many people have no manners, and there won't be a way to get away from someone or something on these trains. I'm a lifelong NYer, and I won't take these trains if I don't have to.

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