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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7ltrri wrote

Reply to comment by lightinvestor in MTA Could Nix Fare Hikes with Just $350M More Per Year, Lieber Says by psychothumbs

The entire city budget is basically a glorified jobs program. The actual return on taxes paid is atrocious.

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-goodgodlemon t1_j7m0ttp wrote

ROI is not a good way to look at government spending

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7m178t wrote

It is if your definition of ROI is inclusive of what is good for the citizenry. Which is which I was referring to. Returns to us. Not financial returns.

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Status_Fox_1474 t1_j7mookj wrote

The subway is the only way to move millions of people. The streets would be choked, whether by cars or pedestrians.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7n0h6p wrote

Which is why it should be managed appropriately. Mismanaging an essential service is dangerous.

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SSG_SSG_BloodMoon t1_j7lzu4e wrote

Insane take. The city would be nothing without the subway

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7m0mwt wrote

Not sure how that's disagreeing with the fact that it's financially mismanaged.

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SSG_SSG_BloodMoon t1_j7mck2l wrote

How can you say "the return is atrocious" when "the return" is the whole city. Everything about the city.

Would we be better off nixing it entirely? No? Then obviously the return isn't atrocious.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7mia57 wrote

Yes. The return on the investment is terrible. Money is misspent on a multiples basis.

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Status_Fox_1474 t1_j7moiw1 wrote

I think what he’s trying to say is that you can’t measure ROI like you can a business. The subway is just as important to the city as the fire department or sanitation department. Or the department of transportation. Get rid of any one of those, and things turn real bad real fast.

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Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j7n0dq9 wrote

I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I’m not talking about financial returns. I’m talking about what we as citizens receive back

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