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Ares6 t1_j7lon6c wrote

To be fair, Canada is much better. They would have access to all amenities of the first world.

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brooklynlad t1_j7ltnxi wrote

Tell that to the people in Quebec who are dealing with housing issues already.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-s-housing-crisis-is-worsening-data-confirms-1.6248549

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_Maxolotl t1_j7me8wp wrote

Scary rate of rent increase compared to how it's been up there.

Also nowhere near catching up with big American cities' housing clusterfuck just yet.

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Ares6 t1_j7lus6o wrote

That’s an issue in almost all developed countries. However, they won’t have to deal with the other issues in the US like crime rates, healthcare costs, lack of social safety nets, and other issues plaguing the US. Most people would choose to live in Canada over the US given the option.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7m6guw wrote

Crime in USA is quite low. And where there is rampant crime tends to be located in very specific areas.

Healthcare is expensive, but at least the quality is good (many people from rest of world will travel to USA for special surgeries and treatments).

There is welfare, foods stamps, ebt, etc... Could be better but this isn't INdia where the only social safety nets are through private charities and organizations

ANd many developed countries have a variety of these issues.

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Ares6 t1_j7malbj wrote

Crime in the US is low in comparison to the countries these people came from, correct. But when compared to countries of similar wealth, crime in the US is much higher. Crime in the US is much higher than in Canada. Crime in the US is a symptom of poverty and inequality.

The US spends more on healthcare than any country in the world. So while it’s systems may be great. It’s unaffordable to most people. As these are migrants, who will for the time being take on low wage jobs. Healthcare in the US would be unaffordable to them. One bad injury could set someone into bad medical debt.

The US has worse safety nets than in much of the countries on its caliber. Getting food stamps is not easy. The way the system of welfare is designed in the US is that you have to ensure you make just enough to qualify. Going over that amount will make you ineligible. The issue with this is that going over the requirements would actually make you worse off economically. Which is why it’s so common for people to not even take a raise at work. Or stay in the same position. This combined with expensive healthcare makes you worse off economically than a poor person in Canada.

Many developed countries have issues. In fact every country has issues. The issues unique to the US are problems that were fixed in the past. But made worse because we forgot why those systems were in place. Or just absolute refusal to fix an issue and do everything else instead of fixing them.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7mrimg wrote

>Crime in the US is a symptom of poverty and inequality.

Correct, which is why crime is located in very specific areas. The areas I have always lived worked or studied in US have been very safe.

It's not like it is a wide spread issue. It's very localised.

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Ares6 t1_j7q36cj wrote

Which in comparison to other developed nations is still awful. There really isn’t an argument there. Crime in the US should not be as high as it is. Especially for a developed country.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7q6fv5 wrote

Yes there is an argument. Crime is located in very specific areas. It's not like it is a widespread issue affecting the whole of the country evenly.

In fact, if you remove the 'bottom 10% of society', crime in the US drops like 40%.

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Here are some crime stats across countries:

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

Rape is much higher in many OECD countries outside of USA.

So is robbery.

So is assault.

So is burglary.

So is vehicle theft (and anecdottaly, my car has never been stolen in USA or Russia, but my car in England was stolen :) )

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Ares6 t1_j7qa5ly wrote

Your source proves my point. In almost every instance the US is ranked high in crime rates. And removing percentages to make things feel better for you is wrong. The US in fact has a crime issue. A person is more safer in Germany than in the US. They are safer in Canada than in the US. Crime in the US is a known issue. There is no argument here. If you are comparing the US to a third world country than yeah sure it’s safer. But as your stats show, in much of the developed world. You are much safer in other countries outside the US.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7mrl44 wrote

ANd to think of how many millions still come to the USA... omg!!!!!!!!!!

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koreamax t1_j7luys0 wrote

Let's see how Canada handles a massive influx of illegal immigrants

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Ares6 t1_j7lx80t wrote

Actually fine. Canada has set out plans to welcome in 1.5 million immigrants into Canada by 2025. Which is per capita 4x the amount the US gets. Canada has been settling in many economic migrants.

Canada is currently suffering from a labor shortage. They just took in a record amount of immigrants of over 400 thousand. Which is huge for their population size.

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koreamax t1_j7lyxcd wrote

Immigrants are different than illegal immigrants.

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[deleted] t1_j7n3uyj wrote

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koreamax t1_j7n6bo6 wrote

Are you talking about me? My wife's parents were illegal immigrants.

Edit-lol you deleted your comment

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Ares6 t1_j7lze4t wrote

Canada has set out to take in both.

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huunnuuh t1_j7miwku wrote

No. Just try it. Walk into Canada without going through customs. You will be arrested. You will be given the opportunity to claim asylum. As an American, your claim would likely be rejected and you would be eventually deported.

Anyone in Canada has a right to claim asylum. Most aren't actually granted asylum though. And we simply deport people who have no legal right to be Canada. Two people are deported from Canada every hour, on average.

Don't confuse a very open immigration policy that accepts many in large numbers, with an unregulated or unrestricted immigration policy. Part of the reason Canadians are so accepting of immigration as we are, is because the system is controlled by us and we decide who gets to come as a skilled worker, and who is actually a refugee.

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koreamax t1_j7nhof3 wrote

They also get a lot of skilled workers because of the commonwealth.

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Intelligent_Dance103 t1_j7orz0h wrote

> And we simply deport people who have no legal right to be Canada.

How do you do that? We over here in Europe have not found that magic yet!

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huunnuuh t1_j7pki71 wrote

Living on a continent where the only land border is with the USA makes it a lot easier.

Also, the numbers are small, so techniques they can't realistically use in Europe or the USA are usable here. If they refuse to identify themselves, or refuse to go home voluntarily, and the country of origin is making deportation difficult, we just imprison people until they agree to leave. This policy has its human rights issues, but it does work.

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PinkKitty48 t1_j7o3790 wrote

Oh sweetie...you're gonna get a big old slap of realization when you get out to Canada and realize it's not better then here

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albeinsc4d t1_j7p1k15 wrote

the misuse of "then" always creates the best unintended lines.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7m66n2 wrote

hahahahahah, america isn't first world hahahahahahahah oh wow hahahahahahah.

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AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j7nz96i wrote

They'll have plenty of room. The NYC metropolitan area has about 1/2 the population of Canada in a much smaller space.

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harlemtechie t1_j7orxiz wrote

Most of it is unhabitable.

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AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j7p3a8k wrote

I don't think that's true. The vast majority of it is, and even a fraction of that is 100x the size of NYC.

Unless you can cite a source that says otherwise...

I don't really understand why they're being kept in the city anyway, there's lots of room further upstate. Albany doesn't have courts to handle their cases?

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