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bbqcornnuts312 t1_j9urn23 wrote

I continue to find it strange that anti-semitism only appears to matter on reddit when "white supremacists" demonstrate it on the internet and in liberal spaces. These are likely mostly dumbshits from out of state coming here because there are media studios, basically. I'll bet this has happened before too, but when hate crimes as a news story was a little less sexy.

When Kanye West made those comments...I saw Black Hebrew Israelites all over New York for at least a week, including in my neighborhood, probably for the first time, like street preachers. They marched through Brooklyn.

Did anyone care? I only saw coverage in the NYPost, maybe a few Jewish publications, and twitter. It matters because I suspect that's a much more local and active hate group than whoever these shitheads are. Members have participated in recent murders in the tristate area.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/us/jersey-city-new-jersey-shooting-thursday/index.html

The Hasidic community has experienced a higher rate of reported attacks in the last few years, and the members of this sub seem to vote for representatives that don't merely tolerate it, but fight to de-prosecute that. If you care about this...well, why do you?

From 2021: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/open-season-jews-new-york-city-hate-crimes

118 cases involving hate crime charges against Jews, 117 of them dropped. NYC prosecutors' offices probably aren't prosecuting easily 60% of random "misdemeanor" assaults, some of which have been discussed in this subreddit, and I can't imagine how many felony assaults they're downgrading.

Remember the attack on Joseph Borgen in May 2021? That was on camera. The guy that beat the shit out of him said he'd do it again on camera. No remorse, sure, but it's notable no fear of penalties either.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/victim-brutal-antisemitic-beat-down-speaks-manhattan-da-cuts-attacker-sweetheart-plea-deal

Where is the comparable outrage for stuff with hard consequences in this city, with a real body count?

It doesn't mean these dumbasses hoping for media coverage in a city with a high density of self-identified Jews and Hasidim isn't of significance, but it's mostly a performance. A stupid, gross spectacle by attenion-seeking carpetbaggers.

But when we're talking about New York City over the last 3-5 years and hate incidents involving actual injury and death to victims, instilling long-term fear and hopelessness among people who (correctly) surmise the state won't act to protect them from cruelty and violence...it's fascinating how disinterested the sorts of people that populate this sub are, and it makes the righteous outrage seem more like selective, unserious virtue-signalling.

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Uniqlo t1_j9wgopo wrote

It’s the same thing with anti-Asian hate. Thousands of Asian Americans being viciously attacked and nobody cares. But if there’s some way to blame it on White Supremacy and by association, the right, then the issue hits the front page. Nobody actually cares about the victims unless it can be weaponized to further their own sociopolitical interests and agenda.

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9xmr9q wrote

Except the vast majority of anti-Asian hate crimes were perpetrated by white people. So it definitely is apt to call it a case of white supremacy.

You people sometimes…

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Uniqlo t1_j9xs5ua wrote

Yeah, no.

I've lived in New York my whole life and have been attacked many, many times for my race. I don't recall ever it being a White person violently attacking me. I've hundreds of Asian American family members and friends who live in New York, and they all have similar experiences.

Of course you'd dismiss the above as just anecdotes, so let's use the cold, hard statistics.

White Americans make up 76% of the US population and are responsible for 24% of the crimes committed against Asian Americans every year. Black Americans make up 13% of the US population and are responsible for 27% of the crimes committed against Asian Americans every year. Adjusted for percentage of population, that means Black Americans, compared to Whites, are 6.5x more likely to attack Asians.

Interesting note: Asian Americans commit less than 10 crimes per year against Black Americans. It is such a rare occurrence that they cannot even reliably record a number for it in crime statistics. This makes the ratio of crimes committed against each other between the two groups to be anywhere from 5,000 to 50,000. That is to say for every one crime Asian Americans commit against Black Americans, there are 5,000-50,000 crimes committed in return.

Source:

US Department of Justice Statistics

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9yotln wrote

This article

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1270821

And this report

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/19llMUCDHX-hLKru-cnDCq0BirlpNgF07W3f-q0J0ko4/mobilebasic

Beg to differ.

But what else can I suspect from someone who defends Kyle rittenhouse

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Uniqlo t1_ja0u2l0 wrote

Let's see. Should I trust the official US Department of Justice Statistics, or should I trust a Google Document from an obviously biased source using extremely limited set of data to reach the conclusion they already wanted? And why is physical violence limited to "spitting, coughing, and sneezing"? Why does the "research" purposely omit all the incidents of Asian Americans being brutally attacked and even killed? This is absolute garbage.

I guess nobody taught you confirmation or selection bias in school. Idiots like you can even believe the earth is flat. And you'll Google until you find an article by some hack journalist that agrees with you.

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IAmGoingToSleepNow t1_ja2tqmj wrote

Is that the 'study' where they looked at news sources that identified the race of the perpetrator and skipped those that didn't? So, for example, there were 100 articles on hate crime attacks with 10 mentioning white and 1 mentioning black, they'd say whites are 10x more likely to commit hate crime, while ignoring 89% of the articles.

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bbqcornnuts312 t1_ja8u4kv wrote

It's also the study that compared "shunning" to actual, criminal assault.

It's political propaganda meant to misdirect from the political actors enabling criminals to torment people, without consequence.

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9xmoo7 wrote

Lmao if this isn’t the most echo chamber-y comment of all time on here. You can’t throw a stick without hitting a comment about how people aren’t paying attention to the real cases of anti-semitism being perpetrated by those (read: black) people, when statistically, they aren’t even the supermajority of anti-semitic incidents.

Gtfo of here, fascist scum. You’re embarrassing yourself by treating Fox News like news instead of the propaganda it is.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_j9yeuvi wrote

I think one of the problems is Hasidic communities fought for the extremist equivalent of sharia law in NYC. They have their own police entities, their own courts. They've achieved full separatism and the NYPD and District Attorneys office isn't much interested in doing tons of casework where their personnel is being pushed to the backseat constantly and certain offenders are protected. Full autonomy is double edged sword for sure.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_j9zlk1s wrote

The Guardian Angels don't maintain their own court and law enforcement agencies that are deferred to by secular governmental authority nor do they require secular courts to interpret religious contracts as law.

See: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/10/outcast-3

Or: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/nyregion/orthodox-jewish-divorce-custody-ny.html

This shouldn't happen but it routinely does.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_ja0iad7 wrote

The (since defeated) Brooklyn DA chose to bring criminal charges against a man for refusing to accept the mediated outcome of the Bes Din (and not getting permission from the rabbi to testify in a secular court.) And the second article is generally about the unconstitutional disaster that is the Get laws in NY...specifically a case where a (now former) state Supreme Court Judge actually took away custody of a woman's children on the basis that she violated her religious marriage contract to remain a member of the orthodox community. Like that is shocking stuff that would have Americans who believe in the first amendment absolutely furious when that happens in Detroit. Everyone has the right to private arbitration, even if it's through a church, but to be prosecuted or lose child custody for opting out of religious based arbitration is unconstitutional.

The relationship between the shomrim and the secular authorities is far messier than it is with any other vigilante group. To pretend otherwise is borderline willfull ignorance. They various shomrim have HUGE influence over the Borough Park precinct to the point where they often assault and kidnap 'suspects' with impunity. But the Brooklyn DAs office isn't as cozy with the Orthodox communities as it used to be. And not everyone in New York is going to genuflect to that voting block. A lot of the confusion is a mess by design. They demand autonomy and freedom from prosecution when it suits them but lashes out when it doesn't. It's a lot of lying down in a bed already made. The demand that the NYPD needs a 100% clearance rate on anti Hasidic hate crimes while simultaneously demanding the NYPD look the other way as shomrim commit hate crimes in the end makes community relations worse

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