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SolitaryMarmot t1_j9yeuvi wrote

I think one of the problems is Hasidic communities fought for the extremist equivalent of sharia law in NYC. They have their own police entities, their own courts. They've achieved full separatism and the NYPD and District Attorneys office isn't much interested in doing tons of casework where their personnel is being pushed to the backseat constantly and certain offenders are protected. Full autonomy is double edged sword for sure.

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[deleted] t1_j9zkxde wrote

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SolitaryMarmot t1_j9zlk1s wrote

The Guardian Angels don't maintain their own court and law enforcement agencies that are deferred to by secular governmental authority nor do they require secular courts to interpret religious contracts as law.

See: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/10/outcast-3

Or: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/nyregion/orthodox-jewish-divorce-custody-ny.html

This shouldn't happen but it routinely does.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_ja0iad7 wrote

The (since defeated) Brooklyn DA chose to bring criminal charges against a man for refusing to accept the mediated outcome of the Bes Din (and not getting permission from the rabbi to testify in a secular court.) And the second article is generally about the unconstitutional disaster that is the Get laws in NY...specifically a case where a (now former) state Supreme Court Judge actually took away custody of a woman's children on the basis that she violated her religious marriage contract to remain a member of the orthodox community. Like that is shocking stuff that would have Americans who believe in the first amendment absolutely furious when that happens in Detroit. Everyone has the right to private arbitration, even if it's through a church, but to be prosecuted or lose child custody for opting out of religious based arbitration is unconstitutional.

The relationship between the shomrim and the secular authorities is far messier than it is with any other vigilante group. To pretend otherwise is borderline willfull ignorance. They various shomrim have HUGE influence over the Borough Park precinct to the point where they often assault and kidnap 'suspects' with impunity. But the Brooklyn DAs office isn't as cozy with the Orthodox communities as it used to be. And not everyone in New York is going to genuflect to that voting block. A lot of the confusion is a mess by design. They demand autonomy and freedom from prosecution when it suits them but lashes out when it doesn't. It's a lot of lying down in a bed already made. The demand that the NYPD needs a 100% clearance rate on anti Hasidic hate crimes while simultaneously demanding the NYPD look the other way as shomrim commit hate crimes in the end makes community relations worse

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