BKEDDIE82 t1_j7q8363 wrote
Reply to comment by bkornblith in No, we don't put our trash in containers here in New York, how could you tell? by Miser
No one needs a reason to do anything. People will do whatever they feel like, especially here. I don't care about other cities. It's irrelevant for many reasons.
We will always generate a stupid amount of waste due to population alone. And when we had garbage cans on every corner, people used them. So until they put them back, I can't say people litter for no reason.
Butt_Sauce t1_j7qmh6v wrote
I’ve seen people litter right in front of a corner basket and the baskets get abused all the time. People throw away their household garbage bags and bulk items in them, making it impossible to use them as intended, for litter.
It’s a cultural issue and an excess waste issue.
BKEDDIE82 t1_j7qp57w wrote
I've seen it. But I've also seen people walk across a street to use a garbage can. Businesses as well as household garbage get tossed in those cans as well. And it is a problem.
Considering how many cultures we have in NYC, which one are you planning on blaming it on?
Butt_Sauce t1_j7qs1x4 wrote
It’s the culture of NYC, that’s what we’re talking about right? It’s not one specific group. Everyone is guilty of it to a certain extent, including myself. It’s a culture of “my your own business” and “it’s not my problem”, as well as a lack of respect.
BKEDDIE82 t1_j7qta95 wrote
In NYC, there is no singular culture. Everyone's actions here are based on a magnitude of variables. There is no longer a culture of mind your own business. As much as I miss that. It's not my problem is also no longer the norm here. A lack of respect is debatable. If you allow people to disrespect you, they will.
Butt_Sauce t1_j7qubzs wrote
It’s not about disrespecting anyone personally, it’s disrespect for the city that we all live in, and having no shame.
We could have a basket on every corner in the city and some jerkoff is still going to throw their cigarette carton on the street or dump their garbage illegally.
And if somebody challenges them on it the first words out of their mouth is mind your own business and since most people want to avoid a conflict they just keep it moving.
BKEDDIE82 t1_j7qvcpe wrote
For a city that is so transient, how do you expect people to respect it? Shame is a personality trait. Not everyone will have it.
I agree. We could have a basket, and people would still refuse to use them. But that will happen in every part of the world.
If you challenge someone in any situation, you should be prepared for conflict. There was a time when the response to anything said was, "Do you know me?" No one should feel like they have a right to speak to just anyone for any reason.
Butt_Sauce t1_j7qydbq wrote
I respectfully disagree.
In my opinion, people should have respect for wherever they go, whether they’re there for 5 minutes or 50 years. That may be idealistic but I think it’s an admirable way to live.
Every part of the world is different. And I understand this is an extreme example, but in Japan, if you are caught littering people will call you out and publicly shame you and they have the cleanest city in the world. Again I know NY will never be like that but it’s something to consider. It is cultural.
And that also applies to challenging people and not having to fear physical conflict. Nobody should be afraid to speak up against antisocial behavior that affects everyone’s quality of life. But unfortunately we don’t live in a society like that. That’s why the city is filthy, we have people shitting on subway trains and kids getting stabbed on their way home from school.
It’s a horrible way to live, in my opinion. But I’ll remain optimistic.
BKEDDIE82 t1_j7r8azt wrote
You can disagree. But I live in reality. People have no respect because of a lack of consequences. Look at Tiktok, Instagram, etc. Everyone thinks they can do whatever they want.
People aren't going to be invested in a place they are just passing thru.
Japan is basically a single culture. So, I'm not even going to entertain that comparison.
Challenging people comes with consequences. That's life. You don't have to fear physical contact. Some people do, and some people don't. But you have to realize that a random person is not a friend or family member. You aren't entitled to them being civil because you approached them.
If it's a horrible way to live, you can move elsewhere. But this is what NYC is. You can make slight improvements and hope it goes in a positive direction. And that would be opinion based as well.
Butt_Sauce t1_j7rgfco wrote
It’s all good. I’m not here to argue just sharing my opinion. I’ll be fine regardless.
BKEDDIE82 t1_j7rhqnu wrote
I get it. I really do. We are all entitled to our opinions. Unfortunately, life doesn't always agree with us. Many of the points you made, I agreed with. But we can't expect everyone to be the same.
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