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tiregroove t1_j7wcza5 wrote

CNBC is absolute bullshit with that report.
Actual data is showing PEOPLE ARE NOT RETURNING FROM THE PANDEMIC.
You know what's keeping rents high?
COLLUSION.
Landlords have been using proprietary software to set prices in real time.
It's called RealPage and they're already being investigated by the DOJ.
https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-realpage-rent-doj-investigation-antitrust

Also landlords' warehousing' units.

Here's a deep-dive that refutes the influx of 'people returning from the pandemic.'

https://www.curbed.com/2023/01/nyc-real-estate-covid-more-apartments-higher-rent.html

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tiregroove t1_j7wpmq3 wrote

What REALLY pisses me off more is how all these media outlets are like 'RENTS ARE SKYROCKETING THIS IS INSANITY!!!!!!!!' and then none of them bother to fucking do ANY investigation whatsoever, Just assholes in badly fitting suits and glasses pontificating and basically whining about it like 'WTF is going on nYC iS cRazyToWn!!!!!'

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iv2892 t1_j7xb701 wrote

Is this happening also outside the US?

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iv2892 t1_j7xfe4a wrote

I just feel sad that almost everybody won’t be able to truly anything . I hardly was able to buy a 1br apartment in Hackensack, just a few minutes away from nyc. But eventually trying to own a full sized house. But it seems very hard to achieve , unless I move even farther

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CoochieSnotSlurper t1_j7xww32 wrote

Apartments.com (CoStar) also has a similar system. All these companies are crooks

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Freddy-Sez t1_j7x1fna wrote

It’s funny to me that you are blasting CNBC for this report while uncritically accepting a Curbed story that asserts people didn’t come back to the city by citing USPS change of address filings, which are virtually meaningless as a measure of short-term population shifts.

Does anyone who lived through 2020 honestly believe there was not a massive influx of people back into the city in 2021 and 2022? Did you experience what it was like to try to rent an apartment in summer 2021?

Price fixing is always an issue but the idea that surging demand isn’t a major contributing factor here is ludicrous

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Effeted t1_j7xnwk9 wrote

People are just looking for rage porn to find someone to blame for their rent

Welcome to the highest demand market in the entire world lol

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colourcodedcandy t1_j813qft wrote

There are people in this very thread disputing peer-reviewed research because "it's written by luxury housing developers" -- these people are beyond redemption and don't believe in what economists have to say. There's little point in debating tbh

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Papa--Mochi t1_j7z4umt wrote

>Does anyone who lived through 2020 honestly believe there was not a massive influx of people back into the city in 2021 and 2022?

I know one entity that doesn't believe that; the census. It shows that population in summer 2021 was 400,000 down on April 2020.

Demand to live in NYC is depressed, likely temporarily, and right now we're losing more people than we're gaining.

I totally understand why people will do a ton of mental gymnastics to avoid accepting this fact, but it is what it is.

We like it here. That's all that matters.

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Freddy-Sez t1_j7zkg44 wrote

That’s an estimate from 18 months ago. Rents peaked a full year after that

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Papa--Mochi t1_j7zkyii wrote

I know, but you said summer 2021 was difficult to rent an apartment. Given population hadn't recovered, that clearly wasn't due to demand, but artificially limited supply.

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lupuscapabilis t1_j84kfus wrote

Rents peaked once landlords were again able to evict people.

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Rottimer t1_j7x09s1 wrote

The curbed article is an opinion using the Postal Service's Change of Address Requests - which the author even admits has problems. It's almost as if he picked out part of this report:

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/nyc-population/population-estimates/understanding-current-population-trends-in-nyc.pdf

And then ignored everything else that went against the idea that the population is falling. I found this bit particularly fascinating:

>And I spent a long time trying to make sense of data from the New York City Water Board, which shows that the amount of waste treated by the city’s processing plants jumped in 2021. (Maybe everybody had shit their pants when they found out how much their rent was going up?) But it turns out those plants treat not just human waste but stormwater too, and 2021 was rainier than usual. At least I think that’s the reason — the Water Board quit returning my emails after a while.

So the Waterboard is treating more waste, but he dismisses it as just more rain. Did he try to speak to an third party to make sense of the data? Or did he just not want to make sense of the data?

Calling moving companies doesn't really help much either because of course people aren't generally going to call local NYC moving companies if they're moving into NYC from elsewhere. Rather they'd do that if they're moving out and use one local to them for moving into the city.

I'm not saying that the report on CNBC is right. I'm just saying the curbed article is also ridiculous.

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thisismynewacct t1_j7z0m03 wrote

They do that for taxes. They still live here

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Rottimer t1_j7z4tzh wrote

And that’s a whole other issue. People living here for 180 days per year to avoid contributing to the tax base and then others just cheating by reporting their address as elsewhere but spending 100% of their time in nyc.

I know 3 high income people (300,000+ salary) that have done that, where they report living in low or no income tax state because they own homes there, but spend nearly 100% of their time in nyc paying rent. It’s something they can do with their employer because they’re remote and only come into the office a couple days per month.

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Papa--Mochi t1_j7z54o0 wrote

>So the Waterboard is treating more waste, but he dismisses it as just more rain. Did he try to speak to an third party to make sense of the data? Or did he just not want to make sense of the data?

There's a reliable third-party that's already confirmed his claim that NYC population was off a cliff even in the back half of 2021: The government census says NYC's population was down 400,000 in July, compared to April 2020.

I get why people don't want to accept it, but it's right there in black and white.

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Rottimer t1_j7z6gok wrote

And that makes a lot of sense given how covid hit this city. A LOT of people that could, left. The question is whether the population rebounded in 2022. There are a lot of indicators that it has and that would explain the increase in rents. It could be collusion using software or some combination of factors. But I don’t think it’s reasonable to definitively say that the population has stayed depressed when there is conflicting data and we know the Census PEP has consistently under estimated.

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froggythefish t1_j7wtres wrote

Landlords will keep prices as high as they can. That’s literally their “job”. They can’t make more money by providing better service as they don’t provide a service. They just set the price as high as possible. They don’t need software to do this, there will always be a demand for housing so they can set the price as high as they want and eventually someone will bite. The only solution is to get rid of landlords.

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colourcodedcandy t1_j7z5yr8 wrote

Oh also…maybe building more

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DarthDialUP t1_j801ds6 wrote

Don't want to sound cynical, but those articles were written by luxury buildings. Those are years old, and it doesn't seem to have any actual proof, just theories floated.

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colourcodedcandy t1_j8138i4 wrote

Yes, all academics and thinktanks publishing this research are actually luxury builders in disguise. Please feed into more conspiracy theories.

https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/new-construction-makes-homes-more-affordable-even-those-who-cant-afford-new-units

https://academic.oup.com/joeg/article-abstract/22/6/1309/6362685?login=false

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DarthDialUP t1_j819uof wrote

Imagine, though, if buildings could write? Would be wild. Almost as wild as developers even accidentally helping middle class renters.
Also, to add, this is NYC. Has rent gotten any better, or easier, anywhere outside of the pandemic?
Someone mentioned 2018 as rents going down or something, but practically, who has it better now?

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colourcodedcandy t1_j8261ay wrote

NYC has a housing shortage. When demand fell in proportion to supply during the pandemic, so did rents.

But from what I can see you don't believe in peer-reviewed research, so I think we can call it a day here.

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DarthDialUP t1_j82dlhy wrote

Demand fell because of COVID. If there is more supply, it will immediately get filled up. Unless something like COVID happens again. You need a review for that?

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colourcodedcandy t1_j84h10f wrote

>If there is more supply, it will immediately get filled up.

... yes, and those people won't be competing with you for existing supply.

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DarthDialUP t1_j84obzg wrote

And what would make existing supply drop in price or stay level if existing supply is in demand? What I am saying here is that as long as there is demand, as there is right now, prices will continue to go up. New development will bring new demand, as it has in the past. Covid was an outlier. Prices will continue to rise, people want to be here. Middle class long term renters will get squeezed out. As is tradition.

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coldbruise t1_j806au8 wrote

>Trickle-down housing policy is a farce. In a highly speculative housing market, increasing the supply does not automatically reduce housing costs. When cities permit more market-rate development, developers build more market-rate housing, because that is what will yield the highest return on investment. Especially when labor productivity lags in the construction sector, the profitability of housing production depends on rising rents. Rents are set not based on the quality of a home but on whatever the market will allow. This is why most “luxury” housing is so ugly and poorly built.

> “Affordability” is an abused concept in development deals and local policy-making. Developers receive public subsidies and tax abatements to build market-rate apartments, sometimes with conditions to set aside “affordable” units. Those conditions rarely create truly affordable housing, because the definitions of “affordable” have more to do with what is affordable for the developer than with what is affordable for a working family. Affordability standards are determined by “area median income,” but the area isn’t a neighborhood; often it’s a county or a metro area, and the incomes aren’t limited to tenants but also include those of property owners.

From the linked Nation article.

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Darrackodrama t1_j81s297 wrote

Has to be the right building, it needs to be Austrian style government controlled housing that we contract out, needs to be fast tracked, set up a special administrative court to hear legal claims and get 200k rent controlled units on the market at cost. This is how we tackle this. The private market isn’t going to fix housing

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colourcodedcandy t1_j82663e wrote

Of course, I guess I meant we need to increase supply and what you mentioned are some of the key things we can do for that.

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ECK-2188 t1_j7wa2rw wrote

No surprises.

You all wouldn’t believe what some buildings charge per month for a 3 bedroom in midtown.

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iv2892 t1_j7xftzn wrote

I mean , unless you’re some big shot tech guy or business person, affording anything decent in midtown without government assistance is basically impossible .

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blackraven36 t1_j7xn8ug wrote

If anything “decent” is what’s listen on zillow even a big shot tech guy is going to think long and hard about those prices. Unless you’re paying a grandfathered rent you’d need to be in the top of your field before mudtown prices will seem “reasonable”.

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Anonymous1985388 t1_j7y16xy wrote

I work at an investment bank in Midtown Manhattan. I don’t think any of the senior people in my department are living in Manhattan at this point. Even the MD lives in like Astoria in Queens.

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GoHuskies1984 t1_j7xnndf wrote

It feels like everyone living in midtown is in the fields of tech, law, finance, or a doctor.

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ECK-2188 t1_j7y9wst wrote

Tech nerd, lawyers, or Doctors would not even be able to afford the apartments I’m talking about.

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nygiants99 t1_j85dqvn wrote

Uh they can and they do? Also midtown isn’t even a desirable location. A family of two professionals can absolutely afford 15k a month in rent.

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ECK-2188 t1_j85ejq8 wrote

Try 3x that

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nygiants99 t1_j85izv1 wrote

Link me all these 45k a month 3br on StreetEasy plz. Thx.

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ECK-2188 t1_j85jhy1 wrote

Ask your broker.

I’m not putting our developer’s information on fucking Reddit.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j7wvd65 wrote

That’s 1k cheaper than a typical shelter bed packed in a homeless shelter in NYC (which the city pays more than 5k per month per bed in long term contracts).

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chenan t1_j7yrseh wrote

shelters include a host of social services. it’s not just a bed.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j7zrzxj wrote

Yeah, a 3min intake “medical” screening on an uninsured person in a shelter would be the most profitable 3min of any doctor in the city.

Meanwhile, NYC shelters are more deadly than Riker’s.

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7xdffv wrote

Genuine question — I live outside of the city but I work here… Are people really making enough money to afford this? I’m sure some people do, but it just seems so freaking high. Like why do people subject themselves to that?

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wh7y t1_j7xgcjn wrote

A working couple could easily afford this on Manhattan midtown salaries. Not many people living on their own though.

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7xgpnz wrote

So are we saying both partners are bringing in like $100-$150k? I get it, it’s just wild to me. I know plenty of people who do well for themselves but then I also know some people who don’t and that disparity is just wild to me

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wh7y t1_j7xhs7w wrote

Yeah if a couple is making 150k each they could afford 4k rent fairly easily and maybe even save. There are many couples like this out there.

I think it's tough because these rents are exorbitant and we need to build housing, but there are many very well paid and wealthy people in this city.

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Unlike_Agholor t1_j7yydq4 wrote

if both are making 150k they can afford way more than 4k a month on rent.

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soflahokie t1_j813h1g wrote

Just an FYI, if both individuals make $150k and choose to max out their 401k's assuming a 6% match, they'll be taking home between $14-$15k a month.

That's a 20% savings rate already, then you have an additional $10k after rent to live on. Anyone without other debts or obligations making that kind of money should be saving quite a bit.

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Honest_Ice_7239 t1_j84x2th wrote

True but don't use the world easily. It hurts me because I make 50k a year and still live at home.

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Discount_Lex_Luthor t1_j7y5pgp wrote

The housing doesn't just need to be there. It needs to be moderated somehow. Tax the fuck of of big landlords and management co's. MURDER the airbnb market.

The wreckless trickle down profiteering is a huge problem. I've seen buildings where the rats were calling in 311 complaints and it was $3k a month in Brooklyn. At this point your better off trying to figure out how to buy something because your paying the same amount monthly.

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TOMtheCONSIGLIERE t1_j7yns1n wrote

> Tax the fuck of of big landlords and management co's. MURDER the airbnb market.

You can always tell when someone doesn’t have a basic understanding of economics and the result is a post like that. A tax to make housing more affordable, genius!!! Educated people, even those that could avoid having their knuckles drag on the sidewalk, would say increase the supply, but not this poster. Amazing stuff!

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Holiday-Intention-52 t1_j808e70 wrote

I think his point is to essentially "break" the big landlords that own dozens if not hundreds of properties and play games like leaving half of them empty to artificially inflate rents. Capitalism is awesome ONLY when it leads to aggressive competition. I really wish this country understood decades ago that capitalism was only so amazing because it led to competition. It's actually competition that leads to amazing outcomes, capitalism is just a mechanism to get there.

If all the apartment unit owners owned at most 2-3 units there would be insane competition and none of those owners would ever want to leave a unit vacant. The competition with thousands of other owners would lead a race to the bottom for rent prices (while easily still staying very profitable due to NYC demand) it would be a true buyer/seller equilibrium.

Right now you have a dozen big landlords conglomerates that lazily all move in the same direction and hardly compete at all with each other.

If you look at 60s rents in this city where the environment was infinitely closer to the ideal with almost all landlords being small owners with just a couple properties and then adjust for inflation........you can easily see that the rents for the city would be cut in half. All while landlords would still make a killing.

So yes, a huge part of the solution here would be to find a way to break up the current landlord situation.

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soflahokie t1_j812t3t wrote

$4k in rent is equivalent to like a $650k house outside of the city, so it's not like there's really much of an option either way. You obviously get way more space outside, but people paying that rent for a 1br aren't having kids anytime soon.

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mp90 t1_j7xsygd wrote

They're paying half (or over half) of their salary to a property management company.

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7xt1yi wrote

I’m always torn between “people make stupid money” and “people are stupid”

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IGOMHN2 t1_j7z329v wrote

Stupid people can make stupid money.

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brooklynlad t1_j7xpsfc wrote

They could but sometimes it's difficult to ascertain. Their take-home pay could cover rent, but maybe they are not maxing out their 401(k)/403(b), IRA, etc.

I know a lot of my friends are not saving for retirement since the bulk of their pay goes to cover rent, utilities, and food.

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7xpyil wrote

Yeah that’s what I suspected. It’s scary how many people are in huge credit card debt too and you’d never know it.

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TarumK t1_j7zakvs wrote

These headlines are clickbait. The vast majority of Ny'ers aren't paying this. This is the median of new leases signed in Manhattan. Most people have been in their apts a while and most people don't live in Manhattan. I pay 2k per month and live alone in Brooklyn.

I'm not saying this carries no information value but what it says is mostly about newer high end buildings in Manhattan.

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IGOMHN2 t1_j7z2r2p wrote

Yes. This is nothing compared to all the people buying 1M houses all cash.

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camsterc t1_j7z6ono wrote

an investment banker, google software engineer, or (at least less equal comparison) big law associate will average 200k a year in their first 3 years out of college/law school.

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Spirited_Touch6898 t1_j7z93rc wrote

Shit ton of people make 400k and up on one salary. Personally I know many IT and finance people, but I’m guessing other fields pay that well, thinking of doctors and lawyers.

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givemeacoff33 t1_j7z6mds wrote

no, we really dont make enough for this and many folks have multiple roommates or straight up live at home with family.

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numba1cyberwarrior t1_j816v3p wrote

  1. Dont live in Manhattan. Prices in outer boroughs are rising. In Southern Brooklyn I can go on Zillow rn and see stuff that's 1600-1800 for a 1 bed room.

  2. Have roommates or live with your significant other

  3. Make a lot of money which a lot of people in the city do

  4. Be lucky enough to have bought property way before

  5. Have a big family and buy a house, seen a lot of immigrant families do this

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Bjj-lyfe t1_j8675ld wrote

I earn 250k (net is about half after taxes & 401k), and I feel like an average joe; live in a small 1br, save diligently for a home/family someday. Hope ppl are managing out there, it’s rough

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DandWLLP t1_j7xgapj wrote

How long is your commute?

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7xghpi wrote

30 mins

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DandWLLP t1_j7xgr4s wrote

So what - Hoboken? LIC? All of those are expensive too. Are you coming from immediately over the bridge?

We moved to the West coast last year, but the savings of living outside of Manhattan were very quickly eaten up by a dogshit commute

While also not really saving much.

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7xh60b wrote

I’m being vague for the internet’s sake but yeah roughly. I’m coming from up north. Tolls not bad, sometimes I take the train. I’m paying around $2k a month for a 1 bedroom. I really don’t mind my commute, and seeing this huge jump in rent for living down in the city makes me feel like it’s worth the commute.

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numba1cyberwarrior t1_j8173eg wrote

There are parts of the city where you can get a 1 bedroom for 2k or cheaper also. Not everyone lives in Manhattan

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elecktrobunny t1_j7y42s8 wrote

No offense but I'm in queens, 15 mins from midtown and $1640/mo for a one bedroom. Rent stabilized been here since 2011. To also have to pay for a car....yeesh.

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TheSheikYerbouti t1_j7y4xwx wrote

No offense taken at all. But getting a rent stabilized place is key. Not everyone has that luxury

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TarumK t1_j7zb1ux wrote

I think you're confusing stabilized and controlled. A huge fraction of the buildings in NY are stabilized b default. If you rent a stabilized building now you're gonna pay market rate, and the rent's gonna go up 3/4 percent annually. In a couple years you'll probably be below market, but not that far below market. It's really only gonna be way below market if you've been there 20 years. But it's not hard to get at all.

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elecktrobunny t1_j7y8dnt wrote

Hrm, I sort of fell into it and not sure I'd call it a "luxury" just a native New Yorker who legit ear to the ground of friends apt buildings and what opens when.

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[deleted] t1_j7yofmi wrote

"Sort of fell into it" is called getting lucky. Not everyone has the luxury to fall into units that everyone else in the building has to subsidize.

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IGOMHN2 t1_j7z3662 wrote

I got lucky. Why doesn't everyone else get lucky too?

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maximalentropy t1_j7zrwbb wrote

I call BS, even from Long Island city it’s 20 minutes door-to-door to midtown. You’re not finding 1 bedrooms at that price even deep into Flushing

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MaizeNBlueWaffle t1_j7z9rdn wrote

Hoboken and LIC are pretty similarly priced to Manhattan but you do get more for your money

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MaizeNBlueWaffle t1_j7z9kdu wrote

This is what I've always wondered. I live with my significant other in a good enough 1 bedroom that was a covid deal in Manhattan and we've been lucky enough where our rent has only gone up $250 total over the past 2 going on 3 years. Who are these people living in 1 bedroom apartments that are $4000+? There seemingly can't possibly be that many people making that much money in NYC, right?

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TarumK t1_j7zb6st wrote

Well if it's a couple there's a lot of people. Even if not, there are plenty of people in tech and finance.

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Karrick t1_j7zgcch wrote

What do you do? I work in tech and would like to be able to afford that.

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Bjj-lyfe t1_j867fya wrote

Just keep interviewing for higher paying jobs, taking in more responsibility at work, and working at the level you want to be at

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smallint t1_j7xm1o0 wrote

4K rent is a paycheck (after taxes) for someone making $150k

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123456abc__ t1_j7y0rzn wrote

150k after benefits is about 7k a month

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selfcareanon t1_j7z66dt wrote

I believe this is assuming nothing going towards 401k, which someone making 150 is likely maxing out.

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Wowzlul t1_j7zirdh wrote

Or saving for a down payment, or investing, or any number of other things besides spending upwards of 1/2 your monthly income on rent in a neighborhood with many other, cheaper apartments and neighborhoods nearby.

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harrytrumanprimate t1_j7y1680 wrote

A little bit more than a pay check bimonthly after taxes, insurance. Its doable but I dont see why someone would voluntarily put themselves in that situation

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smallint t1_j8092r8 wrote

Agree. I personally like to pay everything, including bills, utilities and any liabilities with that one (of two) paychecks.

Even better if you’re able to max out your 401k, pay all your bills and have that second check still available.

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marishtar t1_j7z2uxf wrote

They said paycheck, not monthly pay. Effective tax rate for $150k is going to be 34.57%. One paycheck is going to be for every two weeks for most people.

$150,000 / 26 * .6543 = $3774.81

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ZookeepergameEasy938 t1_j7zcl2q wrote

slight adjustment - most people get paid twice a month so there are 24 pay periods in the year, not 26

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bittoxic00 t1_j7zdw14 wrote

Usually twice a month but those magical months when you get 3 checks

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doodle77 t1_j7x2yl9 wrote

Asking rent on vacant apartments.

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NewYorker0 t1_j7ykbfo wrote

$4,000 median rent in Manhattan not the entire NYC. Manhattan is expensive because of high demand. Clickbait title, outrage just sells.

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EvilGeniusPanda t1_j80mkkl wrote

Also worth pointing out that that's the median rent of listed/vacant apartments, the median rent people are actually paying is way less because so much of the housing stock is rent stabilized and rarely vacant.

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topazblue t1_j7xy1c2 wrote

The housing lottery raised the monthly rents this year as well. I saw listings for upwards to 3K in my salary range. That doesn’t equal 30% of my yearly salary so I’m not sure how that’s considered affordable housing.

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juanmoperson t1_j7yrgdu wrote

Got a mortgage in 2020. I pay less and have way more space. No landlord to deal with other than myself.

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sha256md5 t1_j80gad3 wrote

In Manhattan?

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juanmoperson t1_j8aoia7 wrote

Maspeth, Queens. Right next to trendy Bushwick, Williamsburg, and Greenpoint. They just added citibikes and a trendy wine shop. Only thing missing is coffee spots and beards now.

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Tyzed t1_j7yeynt wrote

being a renter is crazy ☠️

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nightlyspell t1_j7yis5s wrote

What's with Victor Von Strangle?

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theultimateusername t1_j7ytvqd wrote

It's getting wild. Just gave up my apartment since I'm not usually in the city much anymore, I just grab hotels when I'm in town now.

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MaizeNBlueWaffle t1_j7z998u wrote

Doesn't help when the only apartments being built are all luxury apartments. Supply and demand don't really apply in NYC because the demand from wealthy transplants to live in NYC will always be there. There's barely any nice 1 bedrooms in Manhattan for under $3500

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overitncallinuout t1_j833gl2 wrote

No matter how long I look at the title, it doesn't get any easier to fathom. Smh.

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overitncallinuout t1_j833xcv wrote

It's annoying to know how much space isnt even being used. Like the places are sitting empty for most of the year for years...the only thing that "occupies" is the money invested by the people who just want somewhere to park their cash. Lol I accidentally laughed, but u have to or u will just get more upset.

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ponyo_impact t1_j7xrigf wrote

but the avg can be really really wild. Some Lux places might be throwing this off

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downbadkayden t1_j7xusqj wrote

And yall really say there isnt a housing bubble. Lol okay

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user_joined_just_now t1_j7ydr6e wrote

Can someone who pays this sort of rent (and higher) and has been doing so for years explain why they don't just buy a house in the outer boroughs? A friend of mine recently bought a house in the Bronx and their mortgage comes out to about $4K a month.

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svalbard32 t1_j7ywaeg wrote

I pay a good bit less than $4k but live in a nice high rise (not in Manhattan). I enjoy living in a more central location and don’t want to deal with the things you have to with a house. I enjoy the views and amenities and having a doorman feels more secure (even if it’s just an illusion). It’s also nice almost never having packages stolen.

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beer_nyc t1_j7zyja6 wrote

because nobody paying 4k/month for a 1BR in manhattan wants to live in the bronx

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Ali26026 t1_j7z181c wrote

Here on a temporary basis and I pay 3500 a month to live 15 mins walk from work, wouldn’t have it any other way

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IGOMHN2 t1_j7z3cxi wrote

Because some people value time more than equity.

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sha256md5 t1_j80gfyg wrote

It's because people don't want to live in the Bronx. You're so far outside of the city that it might as well be the suburbs.

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user_joined_just_now t1_j80vhms wrote

There are places in the Bronx that are 30 minutes from Midtown. That seems like a fairly reasonable commute to me.

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