TeamMisha t1_j9x1g3k wrote on February 25, 2023 at 4:16 AM

Reply to comment by akmalhot in MTA Pushes Congestion Pricing Back to Second Quarter of 2024 by perspicatic

I can see the appeal of not adding an exemption for residents. I mean, I have to pay a fee to go home too, on the subway. There's no exemption for traveling on the subway just because you live somewhere specific, is there? Makes sense in some ways to apply that logic to this too

akmalhot t1_j9x2dsp wrote on February 25, 2023 at 4:25 AM

Uh, now imagine you drive to go get something and driving home costs you money

People who live in the zone are paying a premium to live there, congestion is brought in by people who don't live there.

EVERY single other congestion zone in the world gives variance to residents if the zone and.people.immediately adjacent because it's made.foe a purpose, not a money grab

Y'all are just selfish and haters and think, well as long as it doesn't affect me fick em.. not actually thinking about the point of it

You're riding a system infrastructure ... I pay taxes towards roads already. Also pay to use specialty infrastructe like bridges and tunnels ....

p4177y t1_ja02txv wrote on February 25, 2023 at 8:57 PM

> EVERY single other congestion zone in the world gives variance to residents if the zone and.people.immediately adjacent because it's made.foe a purpose, not a money grab

Not to mention other variances or discounts to things like, say motorcycles. But I guess according to MTA logic, a motorcycle that takes up 1/6th the space of a car generates the same congestion, so it should therefore pay the same 10-20 dollars as a large car or SUV.

Seems like a total crock of shit, of you ask me...

TeamMisha t1_j9z1m2z wrote on February 25, 2023 at 4:49 PM

What's selfish is the amount of money and land devoted to car infrastructure that is the least efficient and most polluting mode of transportation on earth lol. It's questionable if what is paid even comes close to the "real cost". 247 people were killed in traffic crashes last year, has that cost been reflected in the tolls and taxes? I'm willing to bet no.

> well as long as it doesn't affect me fick em

That's funny cause that seems to be the attitude of many car drivers in this city, when we propose anything that might inconvenience them.

> congestion is brought in by people who don't live there

No, congestion is caused by too many cars on the road regardless who is driving. Just cause I live somewhere and drive doesn't mean I'm magically not part of the problem.

> People who live in the zone

The zone also literally has the most subway transit in the entire country, am I supposed to feel bad wealthy residents want the subway and a car but feel inconvenienced driving? I would love to live where they live but wow shocker I can't afford it. Let's not be so greedy here, or overestimate the imagined suffering of people able to not only live in some of the most desirable areas in the city but also afford a car. I don't even live in Manhattan and couldn't afford car payments or insurance even if I wanted, sorry but I'm not exactly gonna weep for this "plight"

akmalhot t1_ja11324 wrote on February 26, 2023 at 1:09 AM

Because YOI never leave my city, all convenient modes of getting somewhere that is not on a train line should be destroyed

Stop mentioning other congestion zones when the plan completely deviates from them

Why shouldn't someone who is paying more for the real estate this more in real estate tax get a benefit when jagofds drive into their home area and creat congestion for them ?

Why should I pay the same as a jagofds who lives on NJ not paying property tax here pays to go in? I have to pay to go home? They have to pay to enjoy amenities?