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_Maxolotl OP t1_jamjn2f wrote

This article is exclusively focused on Yeshivas. But do private Catholic schools in NY still use corporal punishment, too?

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Magali_Lunel t1_jamk9v8 wrote

I'm Jewish, but I can offer that the Catholic schools in my Community no longer use corporal punishment, they stopped in the 1980s.

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LunchMasterFlex t1_jamzopp wrote

They haven’t for over 30 years. Source: my friends went to Brooklyn catholic schools.

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_Maxolotl OP t1_jankayp wrote

Ah. Thanks for the info. Turns out I'm just old enough to have had friends in the last few classes before they stopped doing it, hence my need to ask.

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bitchthatwaspromised t1_jan4rjq wrote

Absolutely not. Went to a Catholic school with some real shits who would have gotten a smack a century ago. They’ll just expel you now

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magnus91 t1_janq5pp wrote

Started Catholic school in 1992, and everyone said that they stopped corporal punishment that year once the nuns were gone.

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durgadurgadurg t1_jan6rp8 wrote

Former school vendor here, no they don't. At least not where I could see

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arrogant_ambassador t1_jan8r00 wrote

This really serves to highlight NYT obsessive campaign of reporting on the ills of yeshivas.

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mowotlarx t1_janadmm wrote

This really serves to highlight how backwards, abusive and corrupt some yeshivas are and have been allowed to be. Pass the law.

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arrogant_ambassador t1_jand7mk wrote

Sure pass the law but don’t limit focus to just yeshivas.

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mowotlarx t1_janx73c wrote

The focus isn't limited. It includes any private school that uses corporal punishment on kids, not just yeshivas who do. If 99.9% of the schools this touches are a certain type of school, perhaps some soul searching must be done. It also must be said that not all yeshivas are like this. Some are amazing institutes of learning that treat kids with respect they deserve.

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AnacharsisIV t1_janerdu wrote

If the Yeshivas are indeed ill, why shouldn't they be reported on? Your assertion isn't that the NYT is making up malfeasance, simply reporting on actual malfeasance that happens, correct?

If so, why is it a bad thing to shine a light on child abuse?

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arrogant_ambassador t1_janf3tp wrote

My assertion is that the focus is singular and feels malicious. I want yeshivas to teach secular subjects and not abuse their children.

I don’t want them to serve as the example of all that is wrong when antisemitism is running high.

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AnacharsisIV t1_janhhtr wrote

Did anyone intimate that there's something intrinsic about Jewishness that requires Yeshivas to abuse the children under their care?

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arrogant_ambassador t1_janigd7 wrote

Antisemites tend to.

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AnacharsisIV t1_janixme wrote

So, your argument is "We should let Jews abuse children, because the extant, physical harm being inflicted upon children is less important than potential antisemitism"?

Have you ever read "The Ones who Walk Away from Omelas" by chance?

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arrogant_ambassador t1_janj3aq wrote

That’s an absurd argument and not at all what I’m saying. I’m saying all this negative attention is careless and unbalanced and the Times rarely highlights positive aspects of the Hasidic lifestyle.

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AnacharsisIV t1_janjan7 wrote

Ok, but... shouldn't someone be receiving negative attention for abusing children?

Why is it the NYT's job to promote anyone's livestyle? What do you believe the purpose of journalism is in a civil society?

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arrogant_ambassador t1_janjq6u wrote

I believe the NYT is not objective in its reporting when it comes to the Hasidic community and has made it a goal to highlight as many social ills as possible within it.

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AnacharsisIV t1_jank267 wrote

Do you believe the NYT is objective in its reporting of any other religious movements and/or cults?

Again, we agree that there is child abuse in Hassidic run Yeshivas, correct? It's happening and the NYT is not fabricating that.

Is the NYT required to, say, publish an article about how Jim Jones was a crusader for civil rights and equality among African Americans? Do we have to have a puff piece on Tom Cruise for every article about Scientology's forced labor?

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arrogant_ambassador t1_janlbsw wrote

I don’t much care to philosophically debate the benefits of objective journalism when people’s lives are at stake. You’re also showing a profound bias by stating that Hasidic Judaism is a cult.

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AnacharsisIV t1_janm14a wrote

I said "religious movement and/or cult." Considering it's properly referred to as the "Hassidic Movement" I assumed that'd be relatively uncontroversial. It's literally a spiritual revival movement, from which both cults and non-cults have originated.

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trowaynyc t1_jaoa58p wrote

It is a reporters Job to report on things like this.

Other religions like islam and christianity are ridiculed almost constantly in pop culture. Do not act like criticism of child abuse is “anti-semitism”

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trowaynyc t1_jaoa6o8 wrote

It is a reporters Job to report on things like this.

Other religions like islam and christianity are ridiculed almost constantly in western culture. Do not conflate criticism of child abuse to “anti-semitism”

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ChocolatePain t1_jap1l8h wrote

What's so great about it?

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arrogant_ambassador t1_jap484x wrote

Ask someone who’s Hasidic. My understanding is rich culture and a real sense of community, people know their neighbors and help each other out in ways small and large.

Either way, we should give the same leeway to the Hasidic lifestyle that we do to everyone else, no?

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ChocolatePain t1_jap5rk4 wrote

That's basically ever religion my dude. And no one intelligent assumes all Hasidics are bad because of this article. An anti-semite will be that way regardless.

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Blue_water_dreams t1_jao7e2z wrote

Is beating children an “ill?”

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arrogant_ambassador t1_jao7lf5 wrote

You’re nitpicking. Call it what you want - I would like to see the practice stopped without stocking the flames of antisemitism.

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Blue_water_dreams t1_jaocw5y wrote

Calling abusing children an “ill” is severely downplaying what is happening. Perhaps use more accurate language if you don’t want to be questioned about it.

“The Times report, drawing on 911 calls and interviews with dozens of recent students, also showed that teachers in many Hasidic schools made regular use of corporal punishment to keep students in line during hours of grueling religious lessons.”

Are there reports of violence used against students at other private schools?

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