marketingguy420 t1_jamqjl0 wrote
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Well... I mean to be fair subsidized New York orthodox Jewish schools do suck ass, but it is their culture. I wouldn't say, uh, terrorism is Muslim "culture" per se. I see what you were going for but you went a little hard in the paint there lol
Double-Ad4986 t1_jams16q wrote
it was the "what we do isn't our business" like yeshivas aren't even part of all jewish culture—it's only ONE part of one particular jewish community.... just like the taliban/islamic extremeism is it's own culture within the larger muslim community. you can't say some of that stuff isn't culturally part of the larger community when it especially when it directly involves that religion & has so much support within certain countries in the middle east. the same way jewish people, especially those who run yeshivas, are just a cultural part of the larger jewish community. jewish & muslims aren't a monolith
LunchMasterFlex t1_jamzhh7 wrote
You can do whatever you want if you want it to be part of your religion, but you can’t take public money for it.
sulaymanf t1_jar1rxg wrote
Muslim here, and hold on there. Islamic extremism is NOT part of our culture and there’s no longer any Muslim-majority country that has friendly relations with the Taliban. You had a good point about yeshivas but you lost me when you made such a dumb comparison.
You could easily criticize the privilege seen in Jewish enclaves of NYC, such as gender segregated buses run by a private Jewish company that takes metrocards, without mindlessly bashing a different community.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_jau2ay5 wrote
Yeshivas are absolutely an intrinsic part of Jewish culture and putting Taliban/Islamic extremism in the same sentence is insulting.
Anyone who has studies Jewish history knows this as a fact, it doesn't belong to just one Jewish group Yeshiva's are part of the history of every single European Jew and many non European Jews. They originated as a means for Jews who were banned from education in many parts of Europe to form their own education. Yeshivas were hugely important in forming large parts of Jewish philosophy, ideologies, and culture. Im not just talking about religious development but Jewish socialist movements, Zionism, and Jewish enlightenment ideas. Its also likely that Yeshivas are what contributed to Jews being so educated and becoming one of the most disproportionally successful groups on earth.
Im not saying modern Yeshivas serve that same crucial role but pretending like Yeshivas are just some niche part of certain Jewish groups and are mostly for religious extremists shows a complete lack of knowledge of Jewish history and culture.
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