SakanaToDoubutsu t1_jaogzoc wrote
Reply to comment by freeradicalx in Ban Corporal Punishment in Private Schools, New York Lawmakers Say by _Maxolotl
I'm not convinced that'll have the effect you expect it to, and as contradictory as it sounds it seems more likely to me that children that grow up without corporal punishment are simultaneously more likely to be excessively cruel and victimized themselves as adults.
freeradicalx t1_jaoiez2 wrote
The briefest of googles nets a mountain of evidence to the opposite.
WHO: "Corporal punishment is linked to a range of negative outcomes for children across countries and cultures, including physical and mental ill-health, impaired cognitive and socio-emotional development, poor educational outcomes, increased aggression and perpetration of violence."
American Psychological Association: "Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children."
UT meta-study: "Given the strong link found between corporal punishment and aggression and antisocial behavior in childhood, it is not surprising that this association would continue into adulthood. Having learned that they can use aggression and force to compel others to do what they want in childhood, children persist in using aggression to control others’ behavior into adulthood."
Child abuse just does not lead to positive outcomes. Stop hitting your kids.
SakanaToDoubutsu t1_jaos8rh wrote
From your APA source:
As in many areas of science, some researchers disagree about the validity of the studies on physical punishment. Robert Larzelere, PhD, an Oklahoma State University professor who studies parental discipline, was a member of the APA task force who issued his own minority report because he disagreed with the scientific basis of the task force recommendations. While he agrees that parents should reduce their use of physical punishment, he says most of the cited studies are correlational and don’t show a causal link between physical punishment and long-term negative effects for children.
“The studies do not discriminate well between non-abusive and overly severe types of corporal punishment,” Larzelere says. “You get worse outcomes from corporal punishment than from alternative disciplinary techniques only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic.”
In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out.
I have a very good friend who trains working dogs, and the above method sounds very much like his approach to nipping dogs. The purpose of a small electric shock is not retribution, it's to force a break in concentration. A beagle on the scent of a rabbit is a very special kind of focus, and sometimes they just don't listen to commands so the electric shock is only used after verbal commands and warning tones have failed. To me this is exactly how my parents raised me, when I was disrespectful a warning was given, and if I continued to press the issue the threat was acted upon.
As far as I can tell, this is how the real world works, people will only have so much tolerance for verbal abuse before they will solve their problems with physical violence, and the reason you're seeing the rise of the Karen is because this lesson was not instilled in them as a child. Getting licked by your parents for disrespectful behavior is a lot better of a place to learn that your words have physical consequences than getting beat down by an underpaid & overworked Amazon Employee.
freeradicalx t1_jaowbcm wrote
Your perception of the world isn't worsening because people aren't abusing their children enough. Your perception of the world is worsening because you're falling out of touch with it. Stop hitting your kids. It's child abuse. It's fucking them up and continuing a cycle of violence.
Stop hitting your dog, too.
_Maxolotl OP t1_jb3b2f3 wrote
the ratio of corporal punishment studies that say "don't do it" to studies that say it's OK is similar to the ratio with climate realists and climate deniers.
If your parents hit you they were bad parents. Look at their absolute failure on display right now in the form of your ignorant ass putting a lot of energy into defending hitting children.
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_Maxolotl OP t1_jb7ooxe wrote
TLDR.
just skimmed enough to glean that now, in addition to being long winded and sadistic, you're also being smug.
if you breed and live by the garbage you preach, may your progeny take revenge for their beatings when you are old and helpless.
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