Woman Followed Into Manhattan Building, Dragged Out of Elevator in Late-Night Rape: Cops
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cheetah611 t1_jb1s8mx wrote
Reply to comment by Amon213 in Woman Followed Into Manhattan Building, Dragged Out of Elevator in Late-Night Rape: Cops by NetQuarterLatte
This doesn't seem like a logical solution whatsoever. You're suggesting we give a tax funded firearm to every woman in NYC to prevent rape? The number of thefts, shootings, etc is going to skyrocket. Not only are you introducing about 2 million firearms into Manhattan alone, you're also giving them to untrained females who are going to be packing them on their person everyday.
Paid for courses + firearm is going to be in the vicinity of $550 per person, or $1,210,000,000 to arm the 2.2m+ females between 20-55 years old in Manhattan alone (not even taking BK or others into account). And I absolutely guarantee a massive number will end up in the hands of thieves who will now see every female as an opportunity to get their hands on a firearm registered in someone else's name.
Not even going to start on the statistics around household deaths and suicides when a firearm is introduced.
Amon213 t1_jb1slec wrote
What is your solution?
cheetah611 t1_jb1u3t0 wrote
Not arming every woman in NYC that's for sure.
Amon213 t1_jb1udb2 wrote
Good plan. So the rapes continue.
Scroto-Saggins t1_jb1w0fh wrote
Right. Welcome to New York enjoy your 4k a month studio you're working 80 hour weeks to afford also the crime is really bad and we will do very little to deter or prevent it in fact we will release most of them the very same day no legal fire arms though sorry.
Amon213 t1_jb1wjd6 wrote
I've been here my whole life. I proposed a solution. Everyone else disagreed without offering an alternative.
cheetah611 t1_jb2602j wrote
You offered a terrible solution, didn't acknowledge my counter argument in any way, and expected me to solve all rape in a city which is arguable safer per person than most of america.
Rape has been happening for thousands of years. Doesn't make it ok, but the solution isn't something as easy as give people guns lol. Sure, rape goes down while violent armed crime and shootings absolutely skyrocket. Problem solved though, right?
Amon213 t1_jb26ivg wrote
You offered no solution. Just a critique. Congrats on pointing out my solution wasn't perfect. I never said it was.
cheetah611 t1_jb27ip8 wrote
Honestly I've been trying to put it as nicely as possible, but your "solution" isn't just not perfect, it's idiotic and would increase all manners of crime, accidental deaths, suicides, and domestic violence in the city.
If you wanted a discussion than you could have acknowledged any point of my initial criticism and reflected back on your proposed solution rather than a smart ass "wElL wHaT wOuLD yOu Do". I'm not here trying to solve rape, but I saw a stupid suggested which you clearly thought was somewhat viable and shot it down (nicely at first). If you want an intelligent discussion, start with an intelligent comment.
Amon213 t1_jb285d6 wrote
You have no solution. Just critiques and then stand in your alleged intelligence as rapes happen. Good job, champ. How's that?
cheetah611 t1_jb294nn wrote
Lmao I just told you I didn't offer a solution because that wasn't my intent when responding to you. But fine.
Stop arresting people for non-violent drug crimes, pardon those currently incarcerated for such crimes (roughly 44% of those in a US prison are for drug crimes). That should significantly reduce NY's current prison overpopulation problem - the primary reason we have the whole arrest and release thing occurring for even violent crimes and known criminals.
Now that there are open jail cells, actually arrest and hold violent criminals. Increase the bail requirements for those crimes, remove bail for repeat offenders. Now NY criminals have something to fear when it comes to booking in NYC, violent crimes (including rape) are significantly reduced, and the overall impact is a few more potheads and people doing blow on the streets. I'd say worth it.
Amon213 t1_jb2a9qq wrote
Now you're moving the goalposts. We're not discussing reducing incarcerations or prison population. We're discussing rapes and prevention. Can you stay focused? Now while I agree with what you said it won't reduce crimes.
cheetah611 t1_jb2bu8b wrote
Yeah ok I'm done here lol. Idk if you have an inability to actually absorb information, but re-read what I said.
The reason rape and violent crimes keep happening is because NYC has a habit of releasing and re-releasing repeat offenders and violent criminals. The reason that happens is because we have a prison overpopulation problem in the state. Most rapes aren't done by someone with a spotless criminal record.
Keeping violent criminals in prison, and having them actually fear the NYC justice system WILL reduce rape. Christ I feel like I'm debating a wall lol. Have fun, I'm done here
Scroto-Saggins t1_jb1wsx4 wrote
Idk I live in Georgia were we have full constitutional carry. I have 3 fire arms in my closet. I'm a guy though so I'm not too worried about someone following me into my apartment and raping me but my point is I've never killed anyone or even shot anyone.
cheetah611 t1_jb25ot5 wrote
https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/?city1=53651000&city2=51304000
Georgia has a higher violent and property crime rate per person than New York.
I'm not anti-gun, but to propose arming half the population isn't a solution.
Scroto-Saggins t1_jb271jr wrote
Well I live in a nice area atleast that is for Atlanta not Georgia my guy
cheetah611 t1_jb29uvc wrote
Yeah the stats aren't easy to capture specific areas. Problem with that is Georgia's population density is so much lower that a "nice area" is out of the way. NYC, and any other densely populated city be it NYC or London, the "nice areas" aren't only prohibitively expensive, they're still not that far away from the not so nice areas.
My initial point being, arming half the population as the original commenter suggested, is really really stupid and incredibly dangerous.
Amon213 t1_jb1xawl wrote
From my experience 90% of people or so run at the sight of a weapon even when they have numbers.
Scroto-Saggins t1_jb1xgya wrote
I hope I don't have to find out but I've seen fire arms escalate situations also I think you only pull it out when it's time to shoot.
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