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Aviri t1_jdvunvv wrote

More like employees learn theyre getting screwed over by their employers and want to be paid what they're worth.

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Daddy_Macron OP t1_jdvrh0c wrote

>Ashley, a 28-year-old accountant, is planning to quit her job at a New York insurance company. After seeing a LinkedIn ad for a new role on her team that revealed new recruits will be paid more than her, she hired a career coach to help her change industries.

>“It is the biggest slap in the face,” said Ashley, who asked that her last name be withheld because she is not authorised to speak publicly about her pay negotiations.

>“Ever since then, I don’t work a minute over 40 hours,” she added. “I do not stay late online. I will not take on extra work.”

>Ashley’s employer is among a growing number facing upset staff after posting salary information to job sites.

>New York City’s pay transparency law took effect in November and was followed by similar laws in Washington, California and Rhode Island earlier this year, in a trend that has undone longstanding taboos about discussing salaries in the workplace. A similar law took effect in Colorado in 2021.

>As a result, the share of US job postings that include salary ranges has more than doubled since 2020. Some 43.7 per cent of US job postings on Indeed contained salary ranges last month, up from 18.4 per cent in February 2020.

>Though laws vary state to state, most require that advertisements for any roles that could be based in those jurisdictions contain salary ranges in hopes of reducing discrimination. But since many organisations do not share internal salary data, the postings have given workers their first glimpse at how their peers might be paid. Many, like Ashley, were unhappy with what they learned.

>“What makes employers think that the current employees are going to be motivated to do better when they see that someone else on day one is getting the salary that they should have gotten three years ago?” she said.

>Business leaders said the regulations could not have come at a worse time. The labour shortage sparked by the Covid-19 pandemic has inflated salaries, meaning that in order to land new hires, companies are offering higher salaries than many of their existing staff are making for similar roles.

>Before New York City enacted its own pay transparency law, lobbyists warned that they could create conflict in teams and remove incentives for employees to work hard.

>Citibank came under scrutiny after one of its contract user experience writers complained on Twitter that she had spotted a LinkedIn ad for her own role paying at least $32,000 more than her $85,000 salary. She applied.

>“I was pretty upset because that was the exact salary range that I was targeting when I applied for this job [and did not get],” said 25-year-old Kimberly Nguyen.

>In a meeting called after a teamwide group chat turned hostile, Citi managers told the writers the pay disparity was because they were contractors instead of full-time employees and that the role would not be filled.

>A Citi spokesperson said that the salary range in the job description Nguyen saw was for a UX writer with five to eight years more experience than she has. They also said the staffing agency that hired Nguyen had negotiated her salary.

>Activists and community leaders argue that the laws provide vital information to women and employees of colour who otherwise might not have the professional connections to know what kind of salary to negotiate for. Illinois, Oregon and Kentucky are weighing pay disclosure rules of their own.

>But from the moment New York City’s law went into effect in November, workers complained that the published salary ranges were too broad to be useful. Some ranges had a difference of more than $200,000 between the high and low ends. And bonuses, which can account for a substantial part of a banker’s pay, do not have to be disclosed.

>The salary ranges “answer one question but raise several others”, said Tauseef Rahman, a partner at consulting firm Mercer which specialises in pay equity. “Now you know the pay range. The question becomes: ‘What does it take to move up in that pay range?’”

>Rahman said candidates were often offended because the companies rarely made offers at the high end of the stated range.

>But those most upset about the disclosures are the firms’ existing staff. Alan Goldstein, a New York-based executive recruiter, said Wall Street human resource executives blamed the transparency for a wave of resignations after bonuses were paid out at the end of February.

>“It upset a lot of people,” he added.

>Not all employers say that the transparency laws make managing people more difficult. Small business owners, who have struggled to hire throughout the Covid crisis, say that promoting competitive pay ranges has helped them lure applicants away from larger, more prestigious firms.

>Lilian Chen, founder of New York-based company Bar None Games which hosts team-building events, said since posting salary ranges fewer applications had come in, but those she had received were better suited to the roles.

>“There have been times where we will have a candidate who seems like they’re really good and then we get on calls and the salary comes up and it’s just not a good fit,” said Chen, referring to applicants who withdraw because pay is lower than they expected. “And we kind of just wasted both our time.”

>It is unclear how much workers have benefited from the new salary information. All Nguyen was able to secure from Citi was a performance review, but she said it had been delayed twice. Though Nguyen is still at Citi, she is actively searching for a new job and has become an advocate for a federal pay transparency law.

>Many Wall Street banks are shedding staff, making it more difficult for disgruntled workers to find another job at a higher rate, said Goldstein.

>Still, Nguyen said that workers were unlikely to back down.

>“The chaos on my team could proactively be resolved if they just brought everybody’s pay up to par. The whole thing is a manager problem. It’s not mine.”

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movingtobay2019 t1_je07g9i wrote

>After seeing a LinkedIn ad for a new role on her team that revealed new recruits will be paid more than her

Welcome to the real world. A new recruit is always more valuable than an existing employee. Did she really need transparency laws to tell her that? Everyone who gives a shit about their career knows the only way to get a raise is to change jobs every 2-3 years.

>candidates were often offended because the companies rarely made offers at the high end of the stated range.

Who didn't see this coming? Everyone thinks they are on the high end. Well someone has to be on the low end and the middle.

>Wall Street human resource executives blamed the transparency for a wave of resignations after bonuses were paid out at the end of February

There is ALWAYS a wave of resignation in professional services after bonuses are paid out.

>Activists and community leaders argue that the laws provide vital information to women and employees of colour who otherwise might not have the professional connections to know what kind of salary to negotiate for.

Of course it wouldn't be a complete pay disparity article without mentioning women and people of color. I am sure white male Joe Blow from bum fuck Ohio who graduated community college has the professional connections to negotiate higher salaries.

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queensnyatty t1_jdy6kuw wrote

It’s a good start, but they should add more rules around disclosing incentive, bonus, and stock compensation and force companies to tighten the ranges.

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imlilyhi t1_jdyanvn wrote

I’m pretty sure I’m being underpaid.

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Aviri t1_jdvujwf wrote

>we have a millenial

Why in the world does this matter

>she was granted 6 months maternity leave at full pay

Good, people have kids and financial support for them during a relatively short period of the child's life is great.

>right before she was due to come back she sent a note to her direct superior essentially saying she wouldn't come back if she wasn't paid more money.

Also good, it's important to know your worth and get paid it. If she asks for more than what they'll pay her than that's that and it won't happen, otherwise there's only benefits in asking.

>unlike the rest of us - fully remote due to some bullshit note from her doctor

Seems like a problem with your workplace demanding you go in more than a fault of hers.

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Rtn2NYC t1_jdyq8zz wrote

Maybe instead of disparaging millennials you take a hint and fight for yourself.

Sorry but if she negotiated for herself and the company gave it to her obviously they thought she was worth it.

Don’t be a crab in a bucket. Go get yours too.

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Darrkman t1_jdyx5ha wrote

There two groups of people thdt hate the new salary disclosure rules. The people thdt were getting away with getting over on others and the bitter thdt are mad that now they see what they should of made but were too scared to stand up for themselves.

Now if you're Black or a woman this law is great. I had an agency offer me $185k for a role I know was worth $220k with my level of experience. I turned it down so imagine my amusement when I see it on LinkedIn at the price it should of been.

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williamwchuang t1_je07t41 wrote

LOL. "Privilege goblins" are the assholes running a business who get pissed when an employee demands fair pay. Even worse are the collaborators who, rather than get fair pay for themselves, get angry at those who do.

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kjuneja t1_jdzv7mu wrote

Nothing wrong with asking for more money.

Also nothing wrong with getting fired for making unreasonable demands of your employer

Actions have consequences.

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