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Equivalent-Excuse-80 t1_jeesgii wrote

“Here’s a new state-of-the-art cancer research center that would invaluably improve the lives of thousands of cancer patients in New York”

“Not in my neighborhood!”


CactusBoyScout t1_jeew6xj wrote

The UES has successfully stopped the MTA from adding an accessibility elevator at the Hunter College subway station for over a decade now.

"Neighborhood character" apparently means being a fucking nightmare for anyone with mobility issues.


Aleph_NULL__ t1_jef1do9 wrote

which is really just cruel to begin with but also hurts everyone. Tried getting off at grand street recently? just a few people with mobility issues can really back up the entire system. it's not their fault, they need more time to get down -- they need an elevator. it would help everyone


CactusBoyScout t1_jef208m wrote

I take transit to the airports all the time and elevators make a huge difference even for those with no mobility issues. Luggage, bicycles, strollers, etc.

If I take transit to JFK there are elevators at every transfer.

But my quickest route to LGA involves multiple transfers with no elevators so it’s a real pain.


Fox406 t1_jef22rk wrote

NIMBYs really are just vile people.


surferpro1234 t1_jefaj10 wrote

Sometimes you don’t want a tower to block the sun from your window. Am I being selfish…probably. At the same time…it’s Manhattan. It’s not so black and white. Also I don’t live near there but still


SolutionRelative4586 t1_jefh8jo wrote

> Sometimes you don’t want a tower to block the sun from your window. Am I being selfish…probably. At the same time…it’s Manhattan. It’s not so black and white.

This is exactly it.

You can't move to Manhattan and ask it to freeze in time just the way you found it.

If you want to live somewhere with no changes go buy a big plot of land in the middle of nowhere.

Cities change by definition. That's what makes them cities.


surferpro1234 t1_jefhnnw wrote

I agree with you! Still as I look out my window and see a giant crane with the inevitable coming…the nimbyism rises.


SolutionRelative4586 t1_jeflyvv wrote

>Still as I look out my window

And your window blocked someone else's when it was built :)

Depending how old your building is, that person may be dead. Maybe even their children are dead.


Fox406 t1_jefnbb3 wrote

The Manhattanization of Manhattan! 😭


George4Mayor86 t1_jefi2zv wrote

If you hate tall buildings I suggest you live pretty much anywhere on earth other than Manhattan.


surferpro1234 t1_jefiisd wrote

What is the reading comprehension level here? I love tall buildings. I live in Manhattan. Pointing out opposing arguments as to why…someone might be opposed


FourthLife t1_jegluy0 wrote

Everyone is aware the reasons NIMBYs are NIMBYs. That doesn’t make those reasons good or worth defending. They’re only worth mocking


surferpro1234 t1_jegyqmc wrote

In that case, let’s flatten the west village and develop it like Midtown or Fidi


FourthLife t1_jeh17ro wrote

I think we should allow it to be developed like that if that’s where the demand is


YoungWizard11 t1_jef6jmz wrote

This is true, and though they're expanding the station is ridiculously small considering how many people use it. Never knew it NIMBYs promoting this bs, always thought it was the city and MTA just not giving a shit like usual


FastFingersDude t1_jeg35fm wrote

Why the FUCK would they stop an elevator!?


Unspec7 t1_jeg9ef4 wrote

"Ew why would we want disabled people using our station"



FastFingersDude t1_jegg42v wrote

Ugh NIMBYs are the worst


Unspec7 t1_jegga5b wrote

Georgetown in DC is worse: doesn't even have a metro stop anywhere in Georgetown. Officially, geography (Georgetown is very hilly). Unofficially? Keep the poors out.


CactusBoyScout t1_jeh0rp3 wrote

My brother lived on Cape Cod years ago when they were debating bringing rail service from Boston to the Cape.

The locals opposed it, even though traffic on the Cape is absolutely brutal in summer, because “we don’t want the trash from Boston getting out here” aka keep the poor people out.


CactusBoyScout t1_jeh0k3h wrote

The MTA would have to build a new entrance for the station and the NIMBYs basically say that it would bring too much foot traffic and noise to this one street or something. Plus construction noise and the usual NIMBY spin-the-wheel of bullshit.


wahikid t1_jefpxib wrote

I used to live in the current building at that address. It’s student and employee housing for the hospital and Cornell medical school. It’s currently like 15 or so stories already (I think, we lived on the 13th fl) so, I don’t really understand what the uproar is all about. It’s not like there was a park or a historic low rise there currently. It’s already a big ugly building, they just want to make it bigger and uglier, probably.


amoebaamoeba t1_jeg2yu9 wrote

Seriously. It has to be one of the most character-less stretches of street (which describes most of the UES between 50th and 90th/Lex to York). And that particular stretch of streets is all medical facilities anyway!


sventhewalrus t1_jef3luo wrote

average public meeting comment: "I worked hard all my life to be able to afford to live in my Upper East Side co-op that I inherited from my grandfather. And now, you're going to let hundreds of lazy leeches move into our neighborhood, just because they checks notes have cancer?"


KaiDaiz t1_jef43el wrote

its going to be complaints about blocking view and sun & building too tall for character of the area- just look at the long battle with residents regarding the blood bank research center 2 or so street from this proposed building


Resident_Ant_6794 t1_jefe1ms wrote

500ft too tall for Manhattan 🤔 These people are delusional


Luke90210 t1_jefpj5p wrote

There are many places in Manhattan not dominated by tall buildings. That said, the hypocrites should not expect the city to stand still for their own selfish benefit.


wahikid t1_jefq1sp wrote

There is a ~15 story building there currently. I used to live there.


francium_87 t1_jegyz97 wrote

Even funnier bc this isn’t even the “rich” part of the UES. Most of the buildings around this are either other hospital/research buildings + some student/postdoc housing


azdak t1_jeets56 wrote

my first thought is "whelp, cant argue with that"

my second thought is "people will find a way to argue with that"


KaiDaiz t1_jeem3p3 wrote

More essential infrastructure improvements - I'm sure the nearby residents will complain and be against just like the new blood bank building few blocks away


cocktails5 t1_jegabb2 wrote

It's funny because this sub is totally behind this sort of essential infrastructure but when it comes to Con Ed...

everybody is just like "fuck Con Ed, I shouldn't have to pay for electricity."

Which is especially funny because a significant portion of that rate hike is going towards clean energy infrastructure. It always amuses me as someone that works in energy that people talk a good game when it comes to clean energy but don't actually want to pay for it. Do people think infrastructure is free? I don't get it.


treesockshirt t1_jeg3mm5 wrote

I live on 71st and my only issue with the blood bank (from what I know) is they are demolishing a park and a high school to build it.

I’m all for buildings like this, the blood bank even homeless shelters. Just put it in the lots where they are putting up multi-million dollar condos like at 1562 2nd ave instead.


KaiDaiz t1_jeg6vl2 wrote

The blood bank does not demolish the school or park - those are located across the street. The plan was to demolish old building and build new one. Its height would cast a shadow on the school and park at certain hours. That's the complaint they going with on paper but I'm sure its related to other reasons to residents nearby. They don't care for the school or park


treesockshirt t1_jeg7tae wrote

That’s my mistake then. I thought they were going to demolish the old building and put a new one where the park and school are. As that’s what I remember a flyer saying.


Mustard_on_tap t1_jef59jm wrote

You know, if someone wanted to install a fountain that shits free gold coins for everyone people would still organize against it.

This city, I swear.


aMonkeyRidingABadger t1_jefll7h wrote

I already have enough gold coins, and derive the bulk of my self esteem from the simple fact that most other people do not. I am 100% against such a fountain and I will spend all my gold coins fighting against it if necessary.


I_Cut_Shoes t1_jefb3m7 wrote

It would get crowded in the neighborhood where they put it


trebleformyclef t1_jeer73f wrote

Aw man. My favorite hospital room/bed will lose it's view.


YoungWizard11 t1_jef6u8g wrote

It would be really great if this happened, MSK does primarily translational research, which is focused on bringing treatments from the lab into the clinic. An expansion to facilitate could really help improve and speed along research!


maverick4002 t1_jeeyqqv wrote

Per the comment at the source, the building its replacing is housing.

Is this MSK housing or general housing. What will be the result of getting rid of those apartments?


KaiDaiz t1_jeezenz wrote

MSK housing of residents and students & I'm sure they will house them somewhere else or exit the housing game & just issue housing stipends only. Sux, there's a faculty bar that's attached to the nearby Rockefeller building, free beer on fri night as long keg don't run out. At least that was the case last time I visited


Woodnote_ t1_jefmr8d wrote

Resident/fellow housing, it’s my old building. RIP 16J, you were a good though very basic apartment for a year.

I assume they’ll just make residents find their own housing now. We weren’t even sure until about a month before moving if we were going to get one, I was panic apartment shopping.


wahikid t1_jefq7ul wrote

I lived in 13h! I LOVED my balcony!


Woodnote_ t1_jefqszh wrote

You had a balcony?! We just had windows that were jammed and wouldn’t open.


wahikid t1_jefx9bo wrote

I was on the backside of the building that faced away from the Rockefeller university.


PastramiReubens t1_jefyn3t wrote

I interned there during my freshman year of college. Good people doing amazing work. Hope their plans go through.


TetraCubane t1_jef78e8 wrote

31 stories high is not a skyscraper by nyc standards


cmc t1_jeemeg7 wrote

I am obviously not an architect nor a city planner but I do wish there would be more conversations about all the commercial buildings that are struggling to find tenants being converted instead of more new plans for more new buildings.


muderphudder t1_jeep70l wrote

>the structure could rise up to 594 feet tall and yield nearly 1 million square feet of facilities for cancer care, surgery, and medical research.

Hospital and research labs require floor plans, infrastructure, and safety precautions that you can't economically tack onto existing commercial office buildings even if there was an appropriately sized existing building in the immediate area.


dvd_man t1_jef01po wrote

Ya not true. Every university campus on earth has buildings retrofitted for research labs. It’s not always pretty but it’s most certainly doable. But administrators love their pet construction projects and legacy buildings.


barbaq24 t1_jef8xi2 wrote

The cost of those lab conversions in NYC are pretty eye watering but the cost of the construction isn’t the biggest driver of organization looking at new buildings. It’s all these new energy laws for New York. Labs require a ton of energy to run for gases, fume hoods, air exchanges, computing etc.. The building energy use ratings for converted labs are hanging heavy on these organizations. It’s all happening pretty fast with Local Law 97. Even if you built a new building that opened last year, if you have natural gas or a cogen unit your outdated.

Not to mention the compromises that New York labs make when converting old spaces. It’s not the same as most labs in the country. You have serious coordination issues with all the services and you pretty much reduce the average space design of a lab by 30% compared to the global benchmark. So you end up building a $2-4k/sqft lab with 30% less space than your experts told you it should be. Or you address the renewable energy issues, build the right floor heights, design the building for labs with have a proper utility core and make the spaces 20% smaller than recommended, all while building for around $1800/sqft when you include all the nonlab spaces of a new building.

Its a complex issue that a lot of folks are trying to address. So while lab conversions are thing, everyone complains about them, they are expensive, and they cost even more to run because of the cities energy conservation requirements.


dvd_man t1_jefa1eb wrote

fair enough. thanks for the information.


chestercat2013 t1_jef7awt wrote

The city has some fairly strict regulations around research labs because the city is so densely populated. Newer buildings can, for example, store more flammable solvents safely under the fire code (which is more strict than EPA regulations).

Ventilation in the buildings, especially one doing heavy research in a city, must also be extensive. The building I did my graduate research in was updating ventilation for the entire duration of my degree and it still wasn’t working well.


dvd_man t1_jefa2lx wrote

all good points. thanks for sharing.


pixel_of_moral_decay t1_jeeuxym wrote

That’s not really true. Hospitals extend into commercial office space all the time. NYU took over at least one or two office towers for ambulatory care several years ago. Some floors feel like being in a hospital if you didn’t know where you were. They do all sorts of procedures and stuff in them.

And there’s lots of medical labs in office buildings. You absolutely can put them there unless you’re working with something the government heavily restricts like anthrax research, but that’s not normal.


muderphudder t1_jeeyye4 wrote

Inpatient units and full OR suites are a bit of a different beast.


KaiDaiz t1_jeemo3e wrote

There are no large existing commercial building next to the hospital. Is mostly residential buildings up there or mix use. Thus have to build new


cmc t1_jeemrjt wrote

Ah ok, that makes sense. Like I said- obviously not a city planner!


drpvn t1_jeev3rs wrote

GEORGE: Steven, nothing is higher than architect.

STEVEN: I think I'd really like to be a city planner. Why limit myself to just one building, when I can design a whole city?

WYCK: Well, that's a good point.


BarbatosIsKing t1_jefhsnh wrote

Ahh this building is mostly empty anyway.. very few residents stay there.. the rooms are all ridiculously dated


thebijou t1_jefik8d wrote

Interesting considering they opened up the Koch building a few years ago


Spring-Available t1_jeg6qd5 wrote

Funny I’m reading this as I sit waiting for radiation in the main campus building at 1275 York Ave.


AbeWasHereAgain t1_jegg1ep wrote

It was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering. And they were blazing that sh*t up every day.


karacocoa t1_jeh200b wrote

Strange. They've been laying people off.


Keyboard-King t1_jefhbjx wrote

My old city was getting eaten up by the hospital. It just kept buying real estate and expanding. It became depressing because an entire section of the city became a parking lot and hospital with nothing else around except more hospitals buildings. We’re not even that big of a city so the size of the hospital was ridiculous and the bulldozing of the surrounding area pointless.


amoebaamoeba t1_jeg378l wrote

That's not what's happening here. This area - specifically this intersection - has been hospitaltown for like 50+ years.


thepobv t1_jefjx2r wrote

Seems like a good thing? Why are people upset?

We need more housing tho :(


Substantial_Bend_580 t1_jegzio5 wrote

Correct me if I’m wrong but couldn’t they save a fuck ton of money using one of the many empty buildings in Manhattan? Not a bad idea but i wonder if money and time could’ve been saved


Commercial-Impress74 t1_jefy4pb wrote

That area doesn’t need any construction. It’s already jam packed


Keyboard-King t1_jefgsoc wrote

Wow, it looks depressing and bland.


FourthLife t1_jefikkj wrote

Sorry groundbreaking cancer research isn’t pretty enough to add to the neighborhood character for you


Keyboard-King t1_jegbtm1 wrote

Yep, they’re going to find the cure to cancer in that building.

If you hate this depressing building, you hate cancer research.”

Shut up.


FourthLife t1_jeghzza wrote

They’re certainly going to help a lot of people with cancer. And contribute a lot to a body of research that will develop new treatments and cures.

Maybe that was their focus when designing the building instead of making it conform to your aesthetic preferences? Healthcare is already costly enough in the US as it is without spending extra on pretty buildings.


maybeitwasmee OP t1_jeg7b0c wrote

It’s a massing diagram, not an official diagram. Shows the scale of the project. The rendering will come out eventually, though. Will be nice because architect is foster.


F_LOCAL t1_jef5or5 wrote

This address is already a hi-rise, so I guess it’s just going to be torn down and built another 15 stories? I don’t care. Just don’t tear down any stabilized housing. -someone who actually lives in this area.


KaiDaiz t1_jef69eg wrote

They are tearing down their own building & rebuilding taller but ppl will still complain


goalmouthscramble t1_jefdi5b wrote

Good grief between this and the new blood center on 67th Lenox Hill will look like midtown.


SolitaryMarmot t1_jeev8fb wrote

MSK is broke and laying people off. The state taxpayers will end up paying for this and there are much better, more efficient hospitals the state should suppport first.


cC2Panda t1_jef2jj1 wrote

It's cheaper than the stupid fucking stadium we're dumping at least $560milliom into upstate. If we're making service cuts there are many I'd focus on before cutting a cancer hospital.


tressemmehairspray t1_jef6mb1 wrote

msk is more than a hospital lol. calling one of the best cancer care/research centers in the world inefficient is absolutely insane.


SolitaryMarmot t1_jefbsxh wrote

MSK is a disaster. Its wildly mismanaged. Its become an industry punching bag for good reason. They have become one of the worst actors in the state health care system. They've been plagued by scandal since just prior to the pandemic when their C suite execs got caught taking payoffs from drug companies and trial sponsors without any type of disclosure. They sold their tissue databank to a proprietary start up artificial intelligence company that happened to have a CEO on the board of the hospital. This was after they went all in with an IBM that heavily overpromised and underdelivered on AI led analysis which led to a ton of mistakes on patient diagnostics. The CMO resigned and the CEO resigned from the boards it turned out he was conflicted on. Then after the pandemic hit the CEO also resigned from MSK. They only begrudingly took COVID patients during the pandemic but still got $100 million in pandemic aid. If they treated 500 patients by then I'd be shocked. And they had no qualms about it either, which Mediciad patients were crowded 5, 6, 7 to a nurse in the public hospital ICUs.

This "hospital" routinely gets caught overbilling the state for uncompensated care, at the same time they have the lower percentage of Medicaid patient of any hospital in the city. And their actual outcomes are slightly worse than the state owned public cancer hospital Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo.

If their board decides what they really need right now after years of losses is a brand new shiny east side skyscraper...that's fine they can go borrow money and build it. The taxpayers shouldn't put a dime into or backing their debt because on their own they would be in complete junk bond status.


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KaiDaiz t1_jeese8i wrote

they have separate buildings in midtown for that... you want to move patients cross town to hospital and beyond to their care facilities? or better if they close?


suitcase88 t1_jees1pf wrote

Will it be named the Donald Trump Pavilion?