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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbou19s wrote

The nypd do not serve the public and cannot the trusted. There are no good cops in a system like this, they all need to be fired and replaced with an organization accountable to the people

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namedafteracartoon2 t1_jbow46m wrote

Good luck with that buddy. The cop unions would eat anyone who wanted to do that alive.

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FreedmF1ghter77 t1_jbp64xe wrote

Ain't that funny, Cop Unions are one of the most powerful unions across the country and no one questions it, the moment some part time workers at starbucks unionize its on full blast for even wanting to even get paid a decent wage.

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bangbangthreehunna t1_jbtmi6k wrote

You think the NYPD is a powerful union? The union that has been out of contract for 6 years isn't powerful.

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbp2pbh wrote

I’m not saying it’s likely or even plausible. I’m saying it’s what should happen.

The fact that it’s implausible just shows how necessary it is.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbq3l2t wrote

Lol so just turn NYC into a complete lawless land of anarchy?

How can I wake up one day and live in make believe land?

Is it drugs? Is it copious amounts of alcohol? Is it just brainwashing by only reading the edgelord manual of 2023?

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbq9kkt wrote

You’re confused. I said we should fire the current nypd force, not let them continue their ~10 year announced work slowdown wherein they just decide when they want to enforce the law and when they don’t, usually capriciously based on how they feel.

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jonnycash11 t1_jbqklxc wrote

Uh huh.

The same personalities would be drawn back and do the same thing all over again.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbq9p6w wrote

And where do you get the 32k people to replace them as a functioning police force?

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbqajdg wrote

Hire them just like before, but starting over without a culture that’s already been corrupted, and creating accountability to the public.

Do you have a relationship with law enforcement? And do you feel that top brass should be fixing legitimate arrests for their cronies as they did in this case?

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbqap80 wrote

They should not be fixing cases. We are in agreement, as to where and how you simultaneously fire and then hire 32k people, I think you are in magic land.

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbqatgl wrote

How do we get rid of the culture of corruption?

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbqaw9t wrote

You tell me. You live in magic land.

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbqbgky wrote

Sounds like you probably work in a corrupt system and prefer it that way.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbqbtjn wrote

Great answer.

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbqczjy wrote

I feel like that might have been sincere, so thank you?

Assuming you are a cop, and assuming you don’t personally go around abusing your power, I have a tip for you. People don’t trust you. Because even if you’re not going out using excessive force or helping cronies stay out of trouble, you know other cops who do. And you are either unable to stop them, in which case you’re really not much value in your job, or you’re unwilling, in which case you’re morally unfit for your job. And now you’re arguing online making procedural excuses for why we can’t have accountability. You’re cool with the way things are in your organization, which makes you complicit in the culture of corruption. A few bad apples have already spoiled the whole bunch.

You’d be welcome in magic land if you ever wanted to envision a world where cops are accountable to the people who pay their salaries and whom they’re supposed to protect.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbqde7v wrote

I ask you how does a city go about hiring 32k new police while also firing 32k police, you respond with a whataboutism.

Who is training these new police officers?

What are the requirements?

What is the pay?

Who is the new chief?

Who is the new commissioner?

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbqdxl2 wrote

You’re debating how replacing the nypd would work instead of whether it’s necessary because you can’t find a good argument for why the nypd deserves their station in a city they refuse to protect or be accountable to. The work slowdown has spread to your brain.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_jbqft4z wrote

Lol no, I’m debating the practicality of such an idea. And that the idea would do far more harm than good. Anarchy vs corrupt events like this dude not catching a menacing charge, I’ll take the later because anarchy would do far more damage.

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbqk9z2 wrote

But we agree that any cops who abuse their authority, use excessive force, or don’t follow the law themselves should be fired ?

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RepresentativeAge444 t1_jbrcfd7 wrote

And to add cops who see other police do these things and don’t report it? But this guy will never straight up address things like this. The most he’ll give is a few bad apples nonsense vs systemic critique because the boot licking is too strong.

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poralexc t1_jbp555v wrote

The AFL-CIO should disown them.

What other union participates in union-busting?

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DorindaDoo t1_jbq9nic wrote

Has anyone seen the Union on Twitter? And that bitch fuck O’Shea? Literally threatening any NY politician who badmouths them with removing police presence from their events. Acting like the cops WE pay for with our taxes are their own personal gang. Fucking joke!

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Clavister t1_jbre4u0 wrote

I've seen Pat Lynch, I assume he will personally handle the eating with that big mouth of his

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Speedyx t1_jbox5g9 wrote

I think most people would be against this. You forget nyc did vote a cop as mayor.

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AmIBeingInstained t1_jbp2vpl wrote

I think that was confusion over ranked choice voting, combined with the name recognition he got from having so many scandals during the race.

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Rottimer t1_jbp20dz wrote

That Sgt Hanisch did his job well and did the right thing. And now he’s in a position where he might fucked if he lies for the NYPD or fucked more if he tells the truth. I feel for him and it shows how even if you try to be a good cop all the rottens ones will make you rotten as well. Hence the full saying about bad apples.

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thebatman924 t1_jbr4qjg wrote

Damn he must have did something big for this Chief back in the day for him to repay the favor by personally coming to the precinct, that’s unheard of since Chiefs don’t give a fuck about anything but their $25,000 a month pension and their next city job to leech off of

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Waveridr85 t1_jbujk9v wrote

Read the article it mentions that the retiree has a real estate business located near the precinct. You start to wonder.

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ketzal7 t1_jbtg9lh wrote

Gangs gonna gang

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jbou67e wrote

The fact that the police responded and brought the menacing ex-cop to the police station is at least a step up in enforcement compared how they handled the duck sauce killer. Such action probably reduced the likelihood of this feud from escalating into a murder.

In contrast, the duck sauce killer was only arrested after he murdered someone from the restaurant staff he was menacing.

Simple things like that could deter a crime and it's a lot cheaper than incarceration, etc.

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Rottimer t1_jbp333x wrote

You see this as a step in the right direction. I look at this incident and unless corrected from on high, shows exactly why you have young kids solving disputes violently on city streets, because the cops cannot be trusted to protect them.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jbp6j2x wrote

Your understanding that mistrust in the police is a major driver in street violence is backed by evidence.

Distrust in the police is a stronger factor than poverty (2.6x stronger) on teenagers committing first-time violence offenses.

But whatever dispute those kids had with the business owner, I don't see how breaking a security camera is a step towards solving anything, and how that ex-cop chasing the kids with a gun helped.

He should've called the police instead of trying to solve matters with his own hands. But at least the kids called the police on him!

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mowotlarx t1_jbow853 wrote

What the hell does this story have to do with the DuCk SaUcE KiLLEr. Focus.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jbowpts wrote

Both were menacing with a gun.

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mowotlarx t1_jbozjqy wrote

Do you think that's a rare crime? Or you just wanted to bring up the DuCk SaUcE KiLLEr for jollies? This has nothing to do with that. This is about cops looking out for cops.

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therealstygianumbra t1_jbp07vm wrote

No, more like jokingly pointing out the false equivocation of comparing a mentally deranged man living in a dirty apartment who killed someone over duck sauce to a small business owner/operator who also was a NYPD officer having his business physically vandalized.

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mowotlarx t1_jbp0l28 wrote

Oh, so you're saying a cop brandishing a gun illegally who should know better is more justified in brandishing a gun illegally? Is that right? Generally we hold people who are mentally stable and not deranged to a higher standard, but I guess this is a cop so he just gets to bypass the law.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jbp1b7t wrote

Do you honestly believe that deranged people are held to higher standard?

The duck sauce killer was not taken to the police station even after repeated menacing.

He was only arrested after he committed murder.

How is that a higher standard?

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mowotlarx t1_jbpoudn wrote

Again I ask, what does this have to do with this story about a cop being let off the hook by other cops despite illegal activity?

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jbq0z6e wrote

I already responded with the explanation to your question.

Now it's up to you to read it.

Duck sauce killer was let off the hook in a bigger way, commits a murder, and the "advocates" stay mum about that.

That strongly suggests that for the advocates, it's not about crimes and victims, it's just a brainless anti-police political stunt.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jbp0pz3 wrote

Anyone who look at the underlying facts can see that ex-cop was held to a higher standard than a non-cop who end up committing murder.

I think we both agree that cops should be held at a higher standard.

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therealstygianumbra t1_jbp2nns wrote

The facts show 3 kids gave a general description of a gun and one claimed he fired a shot which wasn't corroborated between the other two. They were fabricating things and who knows what else they fabricated. If cops are held to a higher standard then they should be treated with a higher standard provided they don't have a history of criminal behavior.

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stork38 t1_jbozkw6 wrote

Keep saying duck sauce, now I want some general tsos.

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therealstygianumbra t1_jboy9d9 wrote

Everyone wants to pile on this cop but what if those kids did keep breaking his cameras? There are no consequences for juvenile offenders in NYC and their age means nothing to me, there are plenty of violent 12 year old gang members who know exactly what they are doing, that it is wrong and that their age shields them.

There are plenty of moms that will defend their violent criminal children regardless of the crime they committed, they are enablers and by having no consequences society enables their behavior as well.

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Rottimer t1_jbp2kse wrote

It’s property damage. It’s on camera. The police identified the kids. Sue them. What you don’t get to do (if you’re not a retired cop) is chase after them with a gun and scare them so much that 3 black kids in Brownsville call the cops. That ain’t a normal occurrence.

And now that the guy was released without consequences the same night as the arrest because he knew someone, what does that teach them about justice? Are they going to put their trust in the cops if someone wrongs them in the future? Or will it now make more sense to take care of justice themselves or with their friends?

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Clavister t1_jbreaeq wrote

TIL that 12 is old enough to be prosecuted as an adult

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someone_whoisthat t1_jbp2791 wrote

We should be outraged he was ever arrested because that should not be a crime

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Spittinglama t1_jbpz1pj wrote

It shouldn't be a crime to chase someone down the street with a gun? Are you mental?

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