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mowotlarx t1_jef9ywu wrote

Reply to comment by TheAJx in Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens lost more people in fiscal 2022 by madrid987

So you are making an assumption that the population went down in the outer boroughs because.... The restaurants and coffee shops aren't doing as well as some people say they are? Please explain how you made this jump.

It's equally likely that people left because it's not worth it to commute to Manhattan everyday from those boroughs when the rent is so fucking high and the housing stock is so low.

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TheAJx t1_jefctun wrote

People like you are incapable of understanding that multiple factors can be in play. I didn't say that its solely driven by WFH. I'm saying that's probably a contributing factor.

A lot of jobs in the city relied on lower income and middle income people commuting in from the outer boroughs. People with clerical jobs, working in retail, white-collar jobs that still require you to be physically in person. When these jobs go, it becomes harder to afford living in the increasingly expensive boroughs.

My point still stands. The idea on reddit was that the boroughs are thriving and Manhattan has suffered. Based on the population counts, it looks like its been the opposite. Losing population is not my idea of thriving.

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mowotlarx t1_jefm1uo wrote

Population count is not the same as well in a borough. Brooklyn is the largest borough but Manhattan has the most millionaires in billionaires. Not working in an office in Manhattan is not the reason why people in Brooklyn and Queens are having issues affording to live here.

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TheAJx t1_jefs5k5 wrote

Fewer job opportunities obviously affects affordability. There are two sides to the equation. The cost of living and the income to live there.

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mowotlarx t1_jefz6j3 wrote

Fewer job opportunities where? In Manhattan? Where people being paid minimum wage are paying $2.75 minimum each way to commute from outer boroughs? To make rent for apartments that don't exist in their price range?

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TheAJx t1_jeg2tlb wrote

Okay, if the job opportunities in Manhattan are so awful, why aren't they finding equivalent job opportunities in the outer boroughs and continuing to live there?

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ctindel t1_jeg5lu4 wrote

> It's equally likely that people left because it's not worth it to commute to Manhattan everyday from those boroughs when the rent is so fucking high and the housing stock is so low.

I think its more like tons of office workers no longer have to commute to Manhattan every day so why bother living in expensive NYC when you can work from home in a quiet suburb with good schools and easy parking and cheaper houses. Then there's less need for stores and restaurants in Manhattan so the people in the outerboroughs who did work those jobs in Manhattan don't need to be here anymore either.

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