Doubt outreach is the problem

People are pulling their kids out of the NYC public school system. Enrollment has declined 10% since 2019. This isn’t surprising.

inb4 Adams promotes Charter 3K in a new building built by one of his buddies

I think a 3-k system is useless if it ends at 2 pm or earlier. A daycare goes to 5 or 6, when parents can pick kids up. Even UPK has extended care (paid) opportunities. I don’t know if 3-k does.

I think it varies by school, the hours at my twins school is 8:40-3:00 and you can pay for early arrival and late pickup until 5:30 I believe. It's funny reading all these posts about low enrollment because the school we use has multiple buildings, and classes. The school we go to has 4 classes, with 15 kids each, and there are two more buildings across the street and they have a few more schools in their network. The program has been really helpful for me, with twins, daycare was costing me almost 3k/month, plus they serve breakfast, lunch and snacks/fruit throughout the day, I recommend it to everyone.

It’s an absolute crapshow post-pandemic. Everyone we know has pulled their kids out. We hear things started declining back in like 2013 but the pandemic just threw things off a cliff.

If only more people knew of our amazing service, surely they would be throwing their young children at us to educate.

While what you say is true, there’s a lot of 3-K options that function in private daycares that provide an option to pay to complete the full day (8-6pm). My youngest kid is enrolled in one of them, and while you still have to pay (18k/year in my case) it’s a lot less than I paid with my first where 3-K for all wasn’t available in district 2 yet and the same school cost me 48k/year.

I wasn't up to 48k/year before 3K, but same. With 3K we pay for extended care to cover the entire work day and also DOE holidays. The daycare my kids go to received 1000s of applications this year for 3K. There's only space for something like 10 kids, with priority to applicants who are already students at the center.

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> Hoping to address the uneven enrollment, officials also recently hired a consulting firm

Of course.

Good thing the ‘consulting’ budget isn’t getting cut 😭

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It's absolutely an outreach problem. Eric Adams patently decided to stop promoting the program at all the second he took office. He doesn't care about it. So of course he doesn't care if any slots are.

Is it $3k because of the two kids? Meaning it’s about $1,500 per kid?

Yes exactly , and that's with my wife's Healthcare discount, and in Queens if that matters. I've seen rates from 1200 to 2k+.

Yeah the outreach team was literally just ended a month ago

Not an outreach problem. As a parent with 2 small children. Your schools are garbage and your 3k programs are even worse. I gladly pay for private school and private 3k.

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City council has to blame someone. That’s what they’re paid for.

It’s the only thing good de Blasio did. I’m not sure where you live or you’re just angry, but my daughter was in 3k and is now in 4K, it has been absolutely great for her and the family.

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nothing a few more drag queens or pronoun presentations in schools won't fix

I've lived in NYC all my life. I agree that offering 3k programs is an awesome step and definitely benefits people. But I have higher standards for my childrens education and wellbeing at school. And NYC education system is still garbage. Being free isnt an excuse to have low standards for education and safety.

Would you kindly describe the standards you are striving for? I don’t mean to belittle 3k or 4K but we’re talking about colors and letters and drawing and creating.

What are you desiring in these programs?

For a simple example my child is already reading, doing simple math, and problem solving. She is leagues ahead of public school students, of whom some are still barely counting to 20( a sample of my kids friends in the neighborhood). If you keep your standards low at just colors and letters then how do expect your child to compete in the world. Theres no reason children in 3k and 4k can't understand more complex concepts. Its all about early introduction and keeping your standard above colors and popsicle art. You need to put work in to get better results. And that goes for parents too. I have a day union day job and run a small business. Im exhausted everday and still make time to read to, teach concepts, and nurture my childrens minds. More effort needs to be put in especially when I see public school teachers dropping their own kids off at my kids school.

You’re most likely extremely fortunate as your child is far ahead of the curve.

That’s mostly likely a reflection of you having a gifted child and looking for a specific school to advance her gifts than the school curriculum for 3 and 4 year olds.

Probably need to correct your focus there.

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>is this childcare or education?

Two birds, one stone. There are definitely flaws in the way the system is designed currently but I think it's an issue with the charter system as a whole. The private UPK schools dont have a financial incentive to keep 3 or 4 extra teachers on payroll to allow for the extended day. And honestly teachers dont have an incentive either because their employers are unwilling to offer adequate compensation.

Call me a fundamentalist if you want, but this is a great example of why all levels of education should be Public. So that universal childcare is possible.

Maybe I’m just cynical but just hand waving that his kid is gifted is a cop out to excuse the horrible public school performance.

Well, it’s just my experience, having a 4 year old that I worked very hard with to overcome some delayed learning and speech problems, at these early ages, it’s mostly luck of the draw when it comes to them being gifted. It’s a lot about identifying strengths and weaknesses and addressing it. That’s the work. So if your kid needs more work in the basics, that’s what you’re addressing, if your kid is gifted you need to find an environment that excels that gift.

Basic 3k and 4K is very simple stuff, but it’s important and really good, a lot of it is socialization. And that’s kind of easy.

So this person has a gifted kid, and that’s awesome and she’s doing a great job addressing that, but the truth is 3k and 4K isn’t the problem for her, she needs to find the right environment to hone and develop her child’s talents. That’s not a public school problem especially at that age.

Now when we get to middle and high school I agree with. But of course we can never ignore a parent’s involvement in their kid’s development.

Really? Everyone that was in your kid's class is now out of the system? Doubt.

Our 3k and 4k was amazing have you actually used the program or are you speaking on behalf of the current education system K+? Hell I'll didn't drop the name Ivy Prep Early Learning Academy - Bronx.

Objectively my kids are 2 years ahead of where I was... granted the television isn't raising my kids like my parents did before me.

The ciriculem at first seemed way too mature for a 3 year old. But, when you're kid is the smartest child in kindergarten / 1st grade in your new "private" (or whatever you decide) school you can thank old douchebag deblasio. Literally the only thing he did right!

Some schools could be trash but if you can get into the one listed above I guarantee your kids will form better opinions than you 🤣🤣

What in the white privilege is going on here... I take back my above comment. Lady move to westchester or jersey with your entitled ass🤡🤡🤡

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Right. But in-school 3-k still suffers the problem that there's no real after-school care out of school or in-school (through a third party) -- the providers that I know of begin in Kindergarten at the earliest.

So what it means is that even a "full day 3-k" program means that a parent would have to pick up their child at 2 p.m., which is difficult in a two-worker household. So they'd rather keep their kids in a daycare, where the kid can be picked up later.