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JOE96924 t1_jdfmrc1 wrote

The sad thing is that people can't even have a conversation about this. Do you think that unlimited numbers of people can come here and we can still thrive? There's always a tipping point with everything, that's all I'm saying so throw your tantrums, downvote all you want but you're just offended by the word liberal so maybe I shouldn't have led with that but the facts remain the same, we can only withstand so much, our economy is already failing in NY and the Mayor has already spoken about there not being enough money for basic services very soon if things continue this way.

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HashtagDadWatts t1_jdj8sex wrote

It's very sad that you can't talk about this thing that you're talking about in a thread prompted by an article on the topic from one of the largest newspapers in the world.

Delusional.

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xxl_gal t1_jdjebm4 wrote

A year or two ago, if ANYONE questioned the wisdom in this, they were labeled alt-right or racist.

What caused that, I wonder?

What political pressures led to that? Hmmmm.... 🤔

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HashtagDadWatts t1_jdjeio0 wrote

Yeah, surely this grievance is more valid than the one that came before it. Just keep jumping from phony outrage to phony outrage until you find something that sticks!

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xxl_gal t1_jdjqjiy wrote

All sarcasm aside, I'm not sure who's outraged but surly you can appreciate how taboo this was to criticize a short time ago

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HashtagDadWatts t1_jdk8b71 wrote

If I believe the breathless internet comments, it remains impossible to discuss, notwithstanding the many discussions about it and the many articles about it in the mainstream press.

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ChrisFromLongIsland t1_jdgskam wrote

How is the NY economy failing? It's about as good as it ever has been. We are going to go into a fed engineered recession to slow the booming economy.

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newestindustry t1_jdhg27c wrote

The sad thing is that people can't even have a conversation about this major news topic that has generated countless 100+ comment threads here

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P0stNutClarity t1_jdfoi65 wrote

Corruption. That's how.

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Gdott t1_jdhho07 wrote

As long as they know everyone will blindly vote Dem or as Nancy put it,” a glass of water with a D next to it”, nothing will change. Identity politics has ruined our country. CMV.

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xxl_gal t1_jdjdz3q wrote

Yes its ruined but at least no one can call us raciest 😆

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treesareweirdos t1_jdk0nrh wrote

Identity politics have always been part of American politics. The civil rights movement, and conversely, Jim Crow, is the very definition of identity politics.

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Relupo t1_jdfexlc wrote

Paywall

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_neutral_person t1_jdiuzer wrote

Before Migrants it was homeless, and before homeless it was covid quartines, and before covid quartines it was covid relief workers who were being paid big $$$. It's pretty clear this is welfare for hotel under the guise of humanitarian aid. Before covid AirBnB was eating their lunch and then it was covid. I just hope this welfare was thought out and the most cost effective means of housing these people.

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simplezodiac t1_jdolrr7 wrote

I rather have them at the hotels that roaming on the streets. I remember seeing on Univision (local Hispanic channel) that most of these people will have a 5 year wait before a judge hears their case to decide if they have a legitimate asylum case. A lot of them are becoming desperate with the situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they begin to fly back to their country of origin a lot of them did after waiting few months/years in Mexico border towns waiting for their case.

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TatankaForever t1_jdhv0oa wrote

Man this is a complicated situation that I don’t definitely don’t completely understand. I’m happy those families are getting the help they need. And I hope they become thriving NYC residents with homes of there own. I think the city could use the labor force. And if it helps prop up the hotels I guess that’s good too. Hopefully they become full residents and add tax dollars. This is going to be a turbulent time in NYC for sure. Between the migrants, lack of office workers commuting everyday and the myriad other changes to NYC, I hope we can all get through this turbulent time out the other side. It may take years, but I think with the right people leading the way we can all get through it! Hopefully we can start converting office buildings to apartments soon. I’m optimistic, but then again I’m in a position that I can leave the city if I need to.

And honestly I haven’t even notice the migrnats around the city but maybe I’m blund

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stork38 t1_jdidood wrote

Drive around Times Square. They're everywhere along 8th Avenue.

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TatankaForever t1_jdir9bs wrote

That makes sense, I’m never in TS. I wonder how that hurts Tourism as it’s a Tourist hub.

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JOE96924 t1_jdjawsa wrote

How do we know they even needed help? I'm asking an honest question. Since we're no longer using the usual methods of bringing in immigrants and we're just taking anyone who walks in, who's to say they weren't doing just fine and they heard about the free ride and are taking it?

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TatankaForever t1_jdje5c6 wrote

I have no idea, that’s a good question. But based the timeline of events stated In The article: when they left there home country, when they arrived in Texas, and when they were bussed to Ny, and when Ny set up the camps and Hotel system. They hotels were not set up, so as it pertains to this amenity they would have no knowledge of it.

Though in my opinion, I think people come to the US from central/South American countries in general for a better life then what they had. I have no idea what kind of information they acquire back in there home nations as to how life in the US in for an illegal migrant. But whatever it is, it makes them believe it is better then what they have.

And despite the services they are provided I do not envy there position compared to my own. They may have free housing in hotels for now, and they may have free food and water it seems, I still do not envy them.

And while I can agree with what I am inferring is a general sentiment of disdain for illegal migrants getting free amenities while natural born Americans are often times left to struggle. I think a less then satisfactory answer is 2 fold.

One. Our anger should be pointed at politicians and those in power who refuse to address the many issues at the border and within the system at large for years if not decades which ignores the many issues of the citizenry and will provide which seems like greater assistance to migrants.

And 2 I think this is a panic/emergency solution to a problem that could be far worse if 50,000 desperate, poor and hungry people were left to roam the NYC streets. Sometimes keeping the peace comes at a cost, that may seem unfair. And if it does seem unfair, I point to my answer in part one.

I hope you find this response satisfactory. As it took some time to construct a response.

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JOE96924 t1_jdjeq7g wrote

Very well said :)

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TatankaForever t1_jdjf711 wrote

Thank you. I hope you don’t mind, I wanted to make sure I was taking the time to respond to a person and not a bot, so I looked at your profile and I wanted to wish you luck with your son on your next Metal Detecting Adventure!

Take care!

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JOE96924 t1_jdjfx8p wrote

I work in highrise construction and little by little non-union is taking over. It has unfortunately been on the fast track the past few years largely due to the unlimited, cheap workforce that the non-union companies have now. They pay these people very little and they don't het benefits but they don't know what the real cost of living is here yet and we're losing all of the rights and legitimate pay that the union members fought for all of these years. Many friends have lost their homes and I was even out of work for 6 months last year after working every day through covid. I just think that it's wrong to give away freely what others have made as their career and take advantage of the situation. When you get free room and board, the money they make may seem like a lot. I know when I was out of work, I still had to pay rent, etc. I kissed the unemployment gravy train, I got laid off the month after the bonus money stopped when the rest of the people went back to work. Yeah I'm bitter, I don't like it. I think we should also care about what happens to our own life long residents but that's not what happens.

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TatankaForever t1_jdjguqh wrote

I had no idea the struggles of the Union members of the construction industry were facing, thank your for taking the time to educate me on this.

I think this is a legitimate concern and one we all should strive to fix. It unfortunate that this new cheap labor influx is destroying the rights those in the labor force, like yourself, fought so hard for. I offer my condolences for your struggles and thank you for working to make the city better through your work on the infrastructure here in the city. I hope one day we can find a solution to these problems, and I’ll keep this information in mind when I next talk to people about the subject matter and hope to educate them as well. It is unfortunately the best I can do to assist, is spreading information the best I can when appropriate.

As an insider to the industry do you have any solutions to fix the issues facing the industry of union construction labor?

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JOE96924 t1_jdjhmkq wrote

I'm just a worker, I wish I could solve the problems but our politicians aren't helping and we're largely overlooked. Thanks for responding in such a civil manner. I really enjoyed our chat and your outlook. Have a nice weekend:)

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TatankaForever t1_jdjhtmr wrote

I enjoyed it as well. Thank you and have a nice weekend as well!

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JOE96924 t1_jdfcmx6 wrote

Liberals are trying and succeeding at breaking this country. Before you go crazy with downvotes just think for a moment. How lomg do you think we can sustain this influx of dependents? Eventually too much is too much, the dam breaks and everything is washed away......

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DisasterFartiste t1_jdiaobt wrote

LiBeRaLs ArE tRyInG aNd SuCcEdInG aT bReAkInG tHiS cOuNtRy

Go back to the florida sub

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