_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdi70hx wrote
Reply to comment by stork38 in NYC: Success Academy Buys New Properties While Planning to Charge Rent to NYC Public Schools by barweis
They’re taking your tax dollars, burning through inexperienced teachers, overpaying board members, kicking out students with disabilities or behavioral problems, using the spare cash to purchase buildings, and then stealing more tax dollars by being the public school system’s landlord.
You should be mad.
bittoxic00 t1_jdi7ghq wrote
What’s wrong with kicking out students with behavioral problems
bat_in_the_stacks t1_jdi83w3 wrote
They are legally mandated to be taught. The charters, which are publicly funded, kick out the problem cases. The kids go back to regular public schools. Then the charters advertise how their test scores are higher and their graduation rates are higher than regular public schools. They use this to justify funding more charters. As this cycle progresses, they suck up more and more of the public school funding due to the unfair playing field.
bittoxic00 t1_jdia283 wrote
I grew up in the public school system, there were problem kids that really affected classes. The only way past it was moving to another district. These children will still be taught but I just don’t understand why some children can’t flourish in nyc without leaving their neighborhood or shelling out 50k for a private education
AnacharsisIV t1_jdi9ta8 wrote
I didn't go to a charter, but I went to a SHSAT school that also didn't have to have ESL or special ed classes or students and my experience going from middle to high school was night and day. Do you understand how much a boon it is to your mental health to no longer worry about being bitten by your fellow student, or to go to a class and everyone is there to actually learn instead of acting out in class? If charter schools are the only way other students can get the experience I had, fucking let them.
Children who need special resources and care are entitled to them, and I hope public schools continue to be able to give that to them, but there is absolutely no reason why other students have to be subjected to them and have their quality of education be attenuated.
Slime_Giant t1_jdiiasm wrote
Lolol, is your point here "public schools should only be for the freaks"?
AnacharsisIV t1_jdijt5e wrote
If the government isn't going to make public schools better, that's what's going to happen regardless of whether or not I want it.
What I do believe is that it's entirely just and fair for parents and students to choose who they learn with, as long as the state curriculum is followed (IE, don't just put your kids in a religious school and refuse to teach science and math). Unfortunately, too many American families and students don't have that choice.
GoRangers5 t1_jdipb4u wrote
The “freaks” should be allowed to do something else because conventional schooling doesn’t put them in a position to succeed.
bittoxic00 t1_jdj98te wrote
Silver
_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdildym wrote
Philadelphia gutted its public school system in favor of charters. So did the entire state of Louisiana. You should check out how they’re doing.
bittoxic00 t1_jdj4ka3 wrote
Because all levels were mixed again, people need to be taught to their ability. If someone is struggling they should get remedial help instead of social promotion and disruption
_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdk987g wrote
Career educator? No? I thought not.
bittoxic00 t1_jdka7xq wrote
So instead of holding someone back or getting them a more suited education the trick is to push them to the next grade onto a different teacher who now has to deal with both disruptions and retreading material wasting every other students time and then eventually dumping them on the world, uneducated and unprepared for all but the lowest prospects
_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdkaw65 wrote
So many members of the public believe that they’re experts in education because they went to public high school. You’re not.
You’re also arguing against a position I have not espoused. Please just stop.
bittoxic00 t1_jdkbbfq wrote
I’m not a helicopter pilot but if I see one in a tree I know there’s been a critical error
_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdnmuhs wrote
Have you actually seen the tree, though? When was the last time you set foot in any public school in NYC, let alone more than a single one?
bittoxic00 t1_jdj95dv wrote
All these parents want their kids to be forced into classes with children they would tell their kids to stay away from after school
Linoose t1_jdj9yhp wrote
Charter schools and nyc public schools get there funding based on their enrollment on 10/31 of each year. In November, a significant number of behavioral students are removed from charters and returned to public schools. Charters keep that money and public schools serve the students.
bittoxic00 t1_jdjg5be wrote
Seems like that’s a one timeish maneuver, if it’s 7-12, 6 years of whittling enrollment would hurt them overall
brownredgreen t1_jdjz45e wrote
Its an every year manuever, what are you on about?
bittoxic00 t1_jdk13yw wrote
So if 7th grade there are 100 kids and attrition is 10% then it’s 90 kids in 8th grade, 81 in 9th, 72 in 10th, 65 in 11th and 59 kids in 12th?
It’s probably the latter
brownredgreen t1_jdk1yfd wrote
You're not thinking about this smartly
Each year, 10% attrition from all grades
They also have transfer students? So if the 100 became 90 (due to 10 getting booted) next year, the class could become 95 as new kids join.
Think harder.
bittoxic00 t1_jdk6jct wrote
You’re approaching this from a position hate, be open minded, do you think class sizes half 7 through 12?
brownredgreen t1_jdk71ly wrote
My graduating class in 12th was definitely smaller (like by 200+) than the 9th grade class. I dont know exact numbers.
You are also ignoring my broader points:
They kick some kids out of every grade, AND, they can add new kids to a grade at years start. Students transfer.
Your not trying.
bittoxic00 t1_jdk7tl5 wrote
I can play your game too. First off it’s, “you’re”. Secondly 200 means nothing giving your class could be 201 or 3000. Each class of graduates advancing would be treated independently given an entering class unaltered from a previous year would displace a graduating class. We can debate but if you’re being mean spirited just go join the George santos re-election committee
brownredgreen t1_jdka3rn wrote
Oooh you spotted a grammar mistake?! You must win!
Wait... No
Petty nonsense
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