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bangbangthreehunna t1_jcyw2yh wrote

Understaffing creates overtime.

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Grass8989 t1_jcyzav8 wrote

Yea, not sure why this is hard to figure out. The NYPD is short 1000+ officers from their budgeted headcount, and facing unprecedented levels of resignations.

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Milkshake_revenge t1_jczhcrr wrote

But don’t they still have like 36,000 uniformed officers? 36,000 cops in 300 square miles. I mean sure there’s gonna be some extra overtime if they’re understaffed by 1000 but I can’t figure how that amounts to $100,000,000 in overtime for 1 year.

Edit: I forgot I was in /r/nyc when I questioned something about the police. Next time they spend my tax money without explanation I’ll praise it.

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Grass8989 t1_jczi5q4 wrote

The NYPD’s 33,822 uniformed cops are already 1,208 below the budgeted headcount, documents show, and 2,467 cops short of the 36,289 roster at the start of 2020.

There aren’t 36,000. Not anymore, Atleast.

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_jd0egz2 wrote

Maybe they’d have a better time recruiting people if they didn’t have a history of shooting unarmed minorities and resisting all forms of accountablility, but that’s none of my business 🤷‍♂️

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scream4cheese t1_jd31hwn wrote

Yeah because it makes so much sense about what you said. The largest police dept in the country in the biggest city in the US has the lowest number of police involved shootings compare to other departments. But wait, that’s none of your business, right?

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_jd4ax2u wrote

Gonna need a source on that bro.

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scream4cheese t1_jd6o0rn wrote

It’s public information. Every time there’s a police involved shooting, the media is all over it. Each and every day, all you hear is people getting shot or stabbed. People killing each other. Where’s the protest the against the violence in the community? Kids can’t get out of school without getting shot at or stabbed. People can’t go out to the corner store without getting shot by before a nearby gang shooting because of some silly grudge. People can’t go to work on the train without seeing fights in the train car.

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_jd6svqw wrote

Lmao crime rates are near historic lows for the city, even with the spike caused by covid. You’re just fearmongering to keep the police from being held accountable. Either that or you genuinely like the taste of boots.

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scream4cheese t1_jdbpjyf wrote

Fearmongering? We all need to do our part and protest the violence in our communities. We have to learn to live in peace and harmony.

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rvbcaboose1018 t1_jd19fdk wrote

36k officers but divide that by 3 8 hour shifts, meaning at any one time theres about 12k officers out on the streets.

Then you have to factor in special details like the subway one right now, special high profile events like sports, and then the fact that 12k at any one time is the max and that number goes down with officers on vacation, sick or just on a normal day off which they get 2 of per week. That means that at any point theres only about 9k officers working.

As for money, Overtime is 1.5x the hourly rate. For normal rank and file thats like $60 an hour. More for sergeants and supervisors. That kind of money adds up quickly.

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Crimsonwolf1445 t1_jd2obzh wrote

36k is everyone under nypd payroll from chiefs to cleaners

Also school safety and traffic agents

Basically its an inaccurate representation of staffing numbers.

If we are talking straight up just patrol cops maybe a few thousand

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srpokemon t1_jcz5r3m wrote

maybe they should reorganize how they operate so the officers doing nothing or in performative roles are working; might assuage the understaffing issue

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screenaholic t1_jd0i7ev wrote

I started the process of joining NYPD about a year ago, I thought with all I heard about them being so understaffed it would be a quick process to at least get into the academy.

About a year later, I still haven't even secured my seat in the academy. It took me less time to join the army, from first contacting the recruiter to finishing infantry school.

People have mentioned all the issues with mass quitting and not enough people wanting to replace them, but in don't think people realize how long and difficult the process is for those of us who do. The whole things a mess.

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woodcider t1_jd1i531 wrote

Test scores play a part in this. If you have an average score you’re not getting called before the perfect scores with veteran credits.

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screenaholic t1_jd1johc wrote

I scored 110, after applying vet and residence credits.

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woodcider t1_jd1k0qz wrote

If it’s only been a year, you’re at the mercy of academy class size. They can only run so many people thru the process at once.

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Pohara521 t1_jcziwta wrote

From a cost comparison, I'm sure its cheaper to pay overtime to existing personnel than to increase the force (benefits, pensions...)

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Crimsonwolf1445 t1_jd5cv7a wrote

Short term probably but not long term.

And frankly the current strategy of flooding the transit system with cops on ot is not sustainable long term as a “solution” to transit crime

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