Submitted by LittleWind_ t3_yca4j4 in nyc
Comments
PauI_MuadDib t1_itlm5ez wrote
I am sick of losers like this bum flushing taxpayer money down the toilet. That money could've been used to benefit the entire community. Instead it has to be wasted on an asshole that doesn't know how to do their job and likes to cosplay as a Gravy Seal.
And look at these other tax gobbling shitbirds.
What good is a cop that's been Brady listed? A cop that can't even be counted on to testify is worthless. What good are any arrests they make if they're considered so untrustworthy prosecutors can't even rely on them.
I feel terrible for the good cops forced to work with these sack of shit bad cops. No one should have to count on these guys for anything. They're a disgrace and a danger to other officers.
Rottimer t1_itlntzu wrote
They won’t even fire cops that have been caught committing perjury on the stand. The commissioner just let 2 cops off with a slap on the wrist for lying on the stand saying they hadn’t received appropriate training. Cops have to be trained not to lie under oath? That’s the shit the public is dealing with.
invertedal t1_itlsthb wrote
At a political trial I once went to watch, I saw a cop lie on the witness stand, after having also lied on a police report. He lied very blatantly, over and over again, and experienced no repercussions, though the judge did start to seem mildly annoyed after a while. Later I met up with a defense attorney I have known since childhood, and told him I had seen a cop lie on the witness stand. He told me that around here that is pretty much standard procedure.
DeathMetalVeganPasta t1_itm4sop wrote
Guys like this don’t get to commit this level of stupidity unless they are being protected/directed by someone way higher up the food chain. “Do whatever you have to do, you’ll be fine.” I hate career opportunists.
myassholealt t1_itlvqzc wrote
>When the conservatives on this sub start demanding that cops like these be held accountable, then I’ll start believing their complaints against people being released after 50 arrests are being made in good faith.
4 hours in and this post only has 7 comments as I'm writing this.
If it was a ny post article talking about nyc crime, there'd be dozens of comments complaining about that very same thing you cite. They don't care about cops like this. Cause they probably think cops like this are "on their side."
supermechace t1_itmsju0 wrote
Article doesn't make clear if arrests were justified or not(false arrests, cop planted evidence on victim etc). Excessive force is able to be excused away by saying he was apprehended violent criminals who were resisting and even knocking out cops which the article supports his statements. Article is a little odd as it seems to provide more evidence to defend/justify his position
LostSoulNothing t1_itn5hgt wrote
Excessive force is not appropriate or justifiable regardless of who is being arrested or why (that is literally the distinction between excessive and justified force). Using excessive force when the arrest isn't justified in the first place just means he committed two crimes instead of one.
supermechace t1_itn9n2d wrote
He was implying that if the accused is violent(or in the examples he gave shrugged off a taser and still knocked out a cop) people will ivory tower judge cops for protecting themselves. So if an accused is knocking out cops you can't expect someone to take punches until they tire out. His argument is that they're not provided any means to restrain violent individuals. The article doesnt go into if all the individuals were violent or resisting arrest, so we only have his testimony
Uiluj t1_itnve3y wrote
They're 56 substantiated allegations of misconduct. The allegations wouldn't be substantiated as misconduct if they were justified actions to restrain violent individuals.
shant_jan t1_itl7q1f wrote
a good reminder of the adage: "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
you can't become the most complained about cop in this bloated police force by doing your job right, by nature of the title you're just a bad cop.
DeathMetalVeganPasta t1_itlav1p wrote
I can’t stand this type of policing, but the department likes guys like this to do the dirty work. This advances careers. Of course, when it goes bad, you’ll get thrown under the bus and upper management will pretend that they never ordered the code red.
[deleted] t1_itmghid wrote
[removed]
IncreaseGlittering65 t1_ittp3le wrote
This guy sounds like one bad ass cop
darthparmigiana t1_itm2t3c wrote
I love how "fiscal conservatives" have zero issue with the fact that we pay millions in settlement money each year because we don't hold our shitty cops accountable.
raifikii t1_itoaf87 wrote
Tbh I don’t think it’s reported on heavily enough for the average passerby to realize this. I’ll be honest, this was news to me
patchbaystray t1_ito5etp wrote
Money was never the point. Its oppression of minorities and the poor to maintain a status quo.
3yearstraveling t1_itrsci9 wrote
How does your mind transition to trying to dunk on conservatives from an article about a cop?
Like maybe take a week off from reddit?
darthparmigiana t1_itry0fa wrote
Because conservatives in this city are the reason cops aren't held accountable? Because conservatives in general are the reason why cops get away with misconduct and brutality across the country? Were you born yesterday?
3yearstraveling t1_its3asz wrote
Ohhhh okay I see. Are the conservatives I'm the room with us? What about the Jan 6th insurrectionalists? Are they responsible for the bad cop as well?
Which conservative govenor was responsible for this bad cop?
MaccGawd t1_itlsoan wrote
How did the “most complained about” cop still have a job?? If enough people complained about a McDonald’s cashier, they’d be booted from the job swiftly. But a cop who’s been the subject of numerous complaints still had a job until retirement? Makes no damn sense.
n_jacat t1_itlvtd8 wrote
Mafia Police unions
shotpun t1_itm6y83 wrote
sure it makes sense. who watches the watchmen? rarely if ever is there justice for people who have been wronged by the justice system, because they investigated themselves and found themselves innocent
MaccGawd t1_itm79aj wrote
🎯🎯
elizabeth-cooper t1_itlwktq wrote
The assumption is that people complaining are liars looking for a payout. Also, because the people complaining aren't upgrading their arrest with a large fries and a drink. The NYPD doesn't need customers so they can turn a profit.
TheAJx t1_itlw27i wrote
Good god, this guy cost us $1.5M and counting?
webswinger666 t1_itm2w9e wrote
we own this city vibes 😂
shant_jan t1_itm8jv4 wrote
really wish they marketed that show as a pro-cop drama to trick all those back-the-blue types into seeing the kind of cops they are really sticking up for.
Effective_Golf_3311 t1_ito735w wrote
A lot of cops watched it and enjoyed it.
The only bad plot line was the lawyer that didn’t understand why cops had given up on trying following the malicious prosecution of the officers involved in Freddie Gray
edicivo t1_itmw9a3 wrote
Sounds like a real Dym bulb.
LittleWind_ OP t1_itmwjgf wrote
r/Angryupvote
NetQuarterLatte t1_itlyqgs wrote
Cops causing liabilities by misconduct should just be fired.
Hire 10x cops with the money saved. NYC is under-policed. We need more and better policing.
BiblioPhil t1_itmf8jd wrote
They should be, but they aren't. That's why people are angry. Remember that for the next thread.
It's also not clear that we need more police given that the police we do have aren't doing their jobs. Maybe we just need to completely overhaul the broken and corrupt system that produces and sustains the shitty NYPD culture.
NetQuarterLatte t1_itmm3kd wrote
>It's also not clear that we need more police given that the police we do have aren't doing their jobs
The US is really under-policed compared to other developed nations. That's relative to total population and relative to crimes.
The under-policing in the US is actually one root cause that led to over incarceration (longer and more severe sentences to try to compensate for under-policing).
NYC is also under-policed compared to developed countries. The NYPD does a lot of work relative to the volume of crimes that it needs to deal with, compared to other developed nations.
LittleWind_ OP t1_itmn799 wrote
Can you provide support for your assertion that the US (and, in particular, NYC) is under policed?
I see that you've somewhat narrowed the assertion by discussing in relation to crime, and I'll accept evidence of that. However, that is a flawed metric for a variety of reasons (including that reported crimes are often under or over reported to support a political outcome). I think a much better metric is number of officers per capita, and would welcome comparative data demonstrating under policing by that metric.
​
EDIT: My own quick search shows that NYC isn't under policed by a per capita metric, and actually outstrips every US city except D.C.
NetQuarterLatte t1_itmprio wrote
Thank you for that source.
I've edited my comment to include a source comparing the US with other developed nations. I've updated the comment to remove the section were I wrote NYC is under policed compared to other cities in the US.
We have a much much milder mass incarceration problem in NYC compared to the country as a whole (the incarceration rate in NYC is lower than Canada and Luxembourg, for example), but we also better policing than other cities in the US.
But we are still severely under-policed compared to other developed nations.
Express-Can7822 t1_itm2ahn wrote
This is like angel hernandez speaking out
deadlyenmity t1_itnlgjy wrote
This isn’t getting the love that it deserves lmao
CrooklynNYC t1_itlyne8 wrote
Fuck that pig
Dronez1987 t1_ito3lfs wrote
“What do you want to see?”
I'd like to see him $1.5million in debt.
supermechace t1_itmr4st wrote
To be honest the article doesn't clarify if he made false arrests or other than the protesters(not states if it was the throw stuff or charge at copy's type) beat people that weren't resisting. Not that excessive force is justified but if he's able to prove it's mainly in the heat of the moment where the suspect is violently fighting back in dangerous neighborhoods I can see how they can't find justification for harsher charges.
NotAnnieBot t1_itn70cu wrote
Isn’t “Excessive force” is relative to the situation in the first place?
supermechace t1_itn912w wrote
That's correct thats why they had trouble pinning anyything on him, if the accused(according to his testimony) just shrugged off a taser and knocked down a cop, adrenaline will kick in and you'll use enough force to make sure the accused stay down. Though with body cams he implied they'll just ignore possible criminals as they'll be judged unfairly for protecting themselves from harm.
Rottimer t1_itndeda wrote
It's not that they can't find justification for harsher charges - he's got a fuck ton of cases pending against him. The $1.5 Million is what the city has paid out so far.
>One of the two cases in the trial stemmed from an incident where, in order to strip-search a man in a holding cell after police had found him carrying a dime-bag of marijuana, Dym allegedly punched the man repeatedly, pushed his knees into the man’s body as the man lay in a fetal position and performed the cavity search, according to the CCRB.
Fuck that guy.
supermechace t1_itnfvmw wrote
Yuck that's horrible
Cachesystem t1_itpyn7r wrote
I wonder how many people read the article to the end…his aggressive behavior was just the tip of the iceberg and sometimes seen as justifiable when you consider his suspects being accused of violent crimes. He went after people toting illegal weapons (guns usually) in a city that is anti-gun the same city that would throw a fit or riot because of guns.
deadlyenmity t1_itnlkwi wrote
Oh god a podcast run by police
Do they know enough words to be able to fill an hour? Is the whole thing just crying about how hard being a cop is?
mahabraja t1_itnjdlt wrote
Police are nobody any child or anyone for that matter should look up to. They do not respect the law they swear to enforce and they do not respect the citizens they attempt to trick into thinking they are there to fight crime. The function of police is to earn revenue for the state. That is it. Thank you for attending my Ted talk.
Rottimer t1_itljwji wrote
Costing the city $1.5 Million for his bad conduct, over 50 substantiated incidents of bad conduct and he was promoted and allowed to retire without a word against him by the NYPD or the city as a whole. When the conservatives on this sub start demanding that cops like these be held accountable, then I’ll start believing their complaints against people being released after 50 arrests are being made in good faith.