Submitted by King-of-New-York t3_xxcbub in nyc
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Many_pineapples t1_irbmwws wrote
Yea I'll second this. The majority of the people effected by congestion pricing, the ones who are not too wealthy to care one way or the other, are not driving from QX, BX, or BK into Manhattan. Even people from tottenville tend to take express buses... These cars are from Long Island, NJ and CT.
virtual_adam t1_ircsp9x wrote
Then the best thing would be for all these commuter towns to pay NYC a special income tax for us to build out our roads for them
So far it’s me paying for road repaving and pothole fixing. They sure love using our public resources we pay for
Imborednow t1_irekked wrote
Sounds like an employment tax would be better than an income tax here; I live in the Hudson Valley. Especially in the upper Hudson, there are many people who are only very rarely in NYC.
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Rottimer t1_irbtpi3 wrote
So the city is on the hook for any amount of money shy of $1 Billion from congestion pricing. If those communities served by MNR and LIRR want to collectively chip in 20% for any shortage, then I’m all for spending money on those items. If the city is solely responsible for any shortage then the city transit should be the sole benefactor of any proceeds.
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_irbsruf wrote
And it should be way more than 20%. Average income in Manhattan is insanely high, a little more taxes won’t hurt.
Should be at least 60:40 to help improve transit in/out of the city.
The benefit being there’s less need to drive in with improved transit.
Transit within the city is relatively speaking adequate. Getting in and out is still bad.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irbbo9o wrote
From the money allotted to them from the state and federal governments, and fares collected. Not from congestion pricing.
George4Mayor86 t1_irbcimq wrote
Good. The point of congestion pricing is to nudge commuters out of cars and into transit. I don’t use commuter rail myself, but this is smart policy.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irbcvmp wrote
ESA and MNR Penn station access will already do that.
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Salty-University t1_irbggh0 wrote
His first mistake was stating “Many on Reddit support…”. I’m sure upvotes from anonymous people (who may not even live in NYC) will certainty have an impact on local public policy decisions. Imagine standing in front of everyone at a town hall meeting and saying that with a straight face.
It’s only a matter of time before someone takes a screenshot of a Reddit comment/post with hundreds/thousands of upvotes, blows it up on a poster and presents it in a meeting while demanding that it should be implemented because of its popularity. News articles written about Reddit posts and comments are starting to appear regularly, so this doesn’t seem too far off from reality. When that day comes, I hope someone presents a top post/comment from some username like “r/ass-fucker-9000” at one of these community board meetings so we can all share a good laugh.
guiltypooh t1_irbao06 wrote
Wonder what the break even point is after setting up all the scanners for entry points into the congested price zone
King-of-New-York OP t1_irbbdja wrote
Especially with the fake plate epidemic raging.
jm14ed t1_irbecb1 wrote
The MTA has said exactly where the money from congestion pricing has and will be going. This isn’t a secret.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irbeunu wrote
Yes.
80% of the tolls will go to… fix?… the subways. Not a secret to anyone but yourself.
jm14ed t1_irbfgzi wrote
Considering the commuter rails have 10% of the ridership of the subway, I fail to see the issue you are trying to make here.
These people do count and I think 20% is reasonable to get the political buy in needed to do this.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irbg54c wrote
From my perspective as a daily commuter the LIRR seems to be in “good” shape compared to the national embarrassment that is our subway system.
actualtext t1_ircmyy0 wrote
National embarrassment that is our subway system? No other US city has a subway system that comes close to our size our’s. The closest is Chicago and we’re about four times bigger when you compare miles of tracks and stations. What are you even talking about? Our public transit ain’t perfect but it’s much better than anything else in this country for what it does and covers.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irdwlu5 wrote
Are you not embarrassed by the filth, disrepair, and general dysfunction of our subway system?
Is it not an embarrassment for the new-ish 7 line extension lacking a much needed 10th Ave station?
Is it not an embarrassment for the huge Broadway Junction complex to still lack a single elevator? ADA is a joke in this city.
Is it not an embarrassment that the MTA is incapable of replacing a single tile that fell off the wall decades ago?
Is it not an embarrassment that huge swaths of Queens and Brooklyn are bereft of subway service? No plans for extensions.
Is it not an embarrassment that Mayor Adams wants the disused (not abandoned) Rockaway Beach branch for a linear highline park instead of a desperately needed north south subway line?
Considering Brooklyn and Queens, is it not an embarrassment that no part of the IND Second System has been seriously proposed for construction? SAS in its current form is not it.
Is it not an embarrassment that the SAS is being built without provisions for express tracks to be tunneled in the far future? If the MTA can’t afford to build the line correctly, then the SAS shouldn’t be built at all.
Is it not an embarrassment that the money hungry MTA uses lost revenue as an excuse to not provide, as permanent, what proved to be a very popular free transfer between the J/M and G trains at Broadway and Lorimer?
Is it not an embarrassment that the MTA refuses to switch to time based transfers instead of point of contact transfers? So for $2.75 you could use your two hour transfer window as if it were a metrocard pass.
I have rode the subway systems in Buffalo Boston, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Montreal, Paris, London and Berlin. Especially compared to the European subways, New York is sorely lacking.
An embarrassment.
jm14ed t1_ire1mlw wrote
The crazy hyperbole from the OP makes it real hard to take anything said seriously.
jm14ed t1_irbglly wrote
Talk to your legislators and suggest changing the ratio in the law. Let us how that goes.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irbihyo wrote
You’re the Defender of the (MTA) Faith. 🙏
path0inthecity t1_irbaku1 wrote
5 years? I’ll be surprised if they’re not extorting more money within 3 months of congestion pricing.
actualtext t1_ircnf7d wrote
The toll will go towards the Capital Budget Program: https://new.mta.info/capital/2020CapitalProgram
Read all about all the improvements they will be using the congestion revenue for.
King-of-New-York OP t1_irdu3kh wrote
An historic investment in the New York Region The 2020-2024 Capital Program, approved in January 2020, invests $54.8 billion into the region’s subways, buses, railroads and the authority’s nine vehicular bridges and tunnels over the next five years to institutionalize and build on the progress of Governor Cuomo's Subway Action Plan and create a faster, more accessible, and more reliable public transportation system.
This historic plan – which represents by far the largest investment in MTA history – includes more than $40 billion in New York City Transit’s subways and buses including crucial signal upgrades on six line segments and expanding accessibility in the subway and Staten Island Railway systems.
The 2020-24 Capital Plan’s biggest priorities are to:
Upgrade stations and improving accessibility Invest in new buses and train cars Modernize signals on the busiest subway lines and commuter rail lines Build the region’s megaprojects Keep bridges & tunnels in good working condition Keep the MTA’s other infrastructure in good working condition The plan also describes key organizational changes to transform the MTA into a more efficient, flexible agency.
Page seems outdated. Mentions Cuomo no mention of Gov. Hochul.
If the money is going to the capital budget program then this actually strengthens my argument about the money not being dedicated to the subway system.
actualtext t1_irdw70s wrote
The plan isn't outdated. It's a plan that was approved during Cuomo governorship.
I don't understand what you're argument is about not funding the subway. Its more than 80% of the budget plan. It's literally in what you quoted.
> includes more than $40 billion in New York City Transit’s subways and buses including crucial signal upgrades on six line segments and expanding accessibility in the subway and Staten Island Railway systems.
How is that not improving the subway system?
King-of-New-York OP t1_irdwt85 wrote
Bridges, tunnels, suburban railways, and whatever is leftover for the subway.
thebruns t1_irbucbc wrote
50% should go to NJ transit, path, and the private bus lines
somethingelseorwhat t1_irbb43f wrote
This is a terrible take. Many of the people driving to NYC are those from the suburbs, which do not and will never have subway service. Using some of the money they pay to improve the commuter rail is a sensible decision.