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carolyn_mae t1_it0ru5n wrote

Idk man. Prior to Covid, it took 25 years to reach the number of people killed in the subway. We hit a new record in just 2 and a half


CaptAshley t1_it0sv8y wrote

Oh agreed. I’m not debating the numbers and know majority of the fault lie with the NYPD engaging in a ”soft strike” since the George Floyd protests. Followed by the loss and lack of support systems for people forced out of the economic rat race.
I was just lamenting how crime has always been with us. Folks haven’t lost their minds, law enforcement and politicians have stopped doing their jobs.


HamWatcher t1_it71pyg wrote

NYPD arrests are up across the board month over month across most precincts in the city.


Rebel90x t1_it16d9h wrote

ah yes, blame it on the NYPD. dont even stop to think about how leftist democrats created and support the current system that lets criminals back on the street.


crunchybaguette t1_it176nh wrote

Let’s be real. This is a result of compromises by both parties. The idea of defunding the police was supposed to lead to increasing mental health, rehab, and housing projects. Instead we’re left with demoralized police and people that need help that are left to rot on the street. Not saying that there isn’t anything done for them but the homeless are being used as political puppets on a national stage. Fuck the politicians on both sides of the aisle and fuck Adams.


snowdrone t1_it180jw wrote

Putting together a thoughtful plan for mental health, rehab and housing projects will take awhile, if ever. It was easier to appease the "defund the police" crowd in the short term, and anyone who opposed that was deemed a horrible person, so here we are.


mybloodyballentine t1_it1bytf wrote

But the NYPD’s budget grew. It’s bigger than ever. That’s the opposite of “defunding”.


snowdrone t1_it1czeh wrote

Well, in practice, their political support shrank.


mchavvy t1_it233k6 wrote

So your reply is basically. “In theory I was right. In practice I’m wrong because you provided concrete evidence that shows I talk out my ass.”🙄


snowdrone t1_it2xj3q wrote

I didn't think of this discussion as a contentious debate. I didn't know that their budget grew. Would you agree that the police have been doing less w/ regard to street/subway crime in the past year? If their budget grew, it seems like less value for money.


mchavvy t1_it3ii9g wrote

Which is just another reason to defund their budget. Yet you pointed out that’s just an action for appeasement.

You would be served well by putting down the Post and reading some good investigative journalism.


snowdrone t1_it3j5h3 wrote

I don't read the post. At the same time, I don't think DeBlasio was good for nyc. I am unclear on if you think that the NYPD is better or worse after his term.


HamWatcher t1_it72vw8 wrote

Their budget didn't grow - it was reduced by over a billion dollars in 2020. It was increased this year, which is what he is probably talking about, but not back up to pre-2020 levels. Additionally, they lost qualified immunity and can be personally sued for arresting people, even legitimate arrests. Furthermore, new rules were put into effect to make it much harder to arrest a resisting criminal. For instance, if they both fall to the ground and the officer lands on top, he is breaking the rules and a lawsuit against him may be successful.

Despite all that, and contrary to the original premise of this comment chain, arrests are still up month over month across the city. The cops aren't on soft strike and are making arrests.

The guy you are talking to is either lying on purpose or an idiot. Hard to tell.


crunchybaguette t1_it4gohp wrote

If you don’t know then what are you arguing?


snowdrone t1_it4n9b2 wrote

My comment literally said "I didn't think of this discussion as a contentious debate". People can just talk about things, you know?


Rottimer t1_it1dcyy wrote

Where are you getting that statistic?


the_baumer t1_it3cyj1 wrote

In the article linked to this post


Rottimer t1_it3rgun wrote

It’s nowhere in the article linked to this post, which only speaks to this specific incident.