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wahikid t1_iuhyp9n wrote

I will bet a lot of money that these two think that what they did is TOTALLY different than what trump is being charged with doing. Bank fraud is bank fraud.

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prisoner_007 t1_iui0j1u wrote

Isn’t bank fraud when you’re providing fraudulent information to a bank? Trump committed bank fraud because he was lying to a bank providing him loans. This is just fraud.

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Gozillasbday t1_iui0vkg wrote

What Trump did was on a much larger scale. It wasn't so he could have a place to live. This isn't about manipulating their books to get millions in loans, the rental market is just cut throat and they could afford the costs.

You have to understand this is quite different. Or did you just want to defend Trump?

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wahikid t1_iuib5zb wrote

Nobody’s defending Trump here. Quite the opposite actually, I’m saying that these guys are as shitty as Trump. Lying to get personal gain is shitty no matter who does it.

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Gozillasbday t1_iuijc3u wrote

You're so wrong you decided to reply to me twice? Yeah still wrong.

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wahikid t1_iuibvx1 wrote

Let’s be clear here these people didn’t do this because they “needed” a place to live. They lied so that they could live in New York City where they “wanted” to live.

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Gozillasbday t1_iuiioir wrote

They work and reside in Nyc. So yeah they are established and need to live here as well. Can't just pack up and move anywhere super easy.

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wahikid t1_iuij4g1 wrote

What? “It’s a real PITA to move, so let’s just lie to make it easier for us. We deserve it.” Are you all seriously ok?

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Gozillasbday t1_iuijrxi wrote

Now you're lashing out for having bad opinions. Feel free to keep going, dig deeper.

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wahikid t1_iuik480 wrote

Lol because zero people commute into NYC every day to work, while living somewhere else. Come on, keep telling me how they deserve to live here so much though.

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prisoner_007 t1_iuihiqn wrote

Tell us you didn’t read the article you posted without saying you didn’t read the article you posted.

From the article you posted:

Across the U.S., rental-application fraud doubled in the last few years, going from around 6 to 12 percent

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wahikid t1_iuihv4h wrote

You are kinda making my point for me, bud. I complained that lying for personal gain is a shitty crime, and you reinforced that, indeed, more people than ever are shitty liars. Thanks, I guess?

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prisoner_007 t1_iuikuf9 wrote

No, you said that they’re lying because they want to live in New York, which the article you posted refutes. If it’s a national issue that has doubled specifically in the last few years that suggests that it’s not about “want” or “personal gain” and is symptomatic of larger issues.

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wahikid t1_iuila61 wrote

With the amount that they claim they make, they could have chosen to move to any number of surrounding areas, and been well within the income requirements without lying. The sole fact that these two decided to lie so that they could specifically live inside New York City is the point of our whole discussion. You’re introducing other factors to try to make your case. We are talking specifically about these two individuals and the article that was written specifically about their case. That’s what I was referring to.

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prisoner_007 t1_iuim91a wrote

The article wasn’t just about them since I literally quoted from it when it spoke about how this is a national issue. It used the two people in Hells Kitchen you want to talk about as one example but also featured several others. You really didn’t read the article in full.

EDIT: Do I think it’s fraud? Sure. I already said as much. It’s not the same or on the even the same scale as what Trump did so that’s just a stupid nonsense comparison but it is fraud. It doesn’t seem like anyone, even the people interviewed in the article, are denying that.

EDIT: it’s also hilarious to be complaining about this happening in NY because people want to live here when the article literally states that rental fraud in NY is 6%, half the national average of 12%.

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snakesign t1_iuiakfe wrote

Is this what Trump is being charged with doing? I though it was keeping top secret nuclear documents as mementos? Or was it running several fake 'charities' for personal profit? Or was it seditious conspiracy? So hard to keep track anymore.

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Ouity t1_iuij3wm wrote

It's one of the charges lmao he was keeping two books. One for the feds and one for the banks.

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SyberKai t1_iuig1za wrote

>It's not fraudulent when Landlords are fraudulent themselves

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wahikid t1_iuiijf0 wrote

Actually, it absolutely fucking certainly is. Just because your boss at work might cook the books, absolutely doesn’t make it ok for you to do it. Please tell me you weren’t serious with your original statement.

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