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thoughtsarefalse t1_irieqkd wrote

Literally just read a post about Ottawa canada having the same kind of problem (but bigger). Edited to spell ottawa correct


bsbbtnh t1_irkdeyv wrote

Canada has some crazy issues with Chinese influence. CSIS (sort of like the FBI/CIA of Canada) has implied that China has taken over some municipal governments and even cabinet positions in BC. There's the whole money laundering scandal, which a component that isn't touched upon much is that it's China laundering the money and using it to fund their activities in Canada. There's a very deep conspiracy there. And I'm sure similar things are happening in the US and other countries.

One of the things China does is try to take over housing, because they view control of housing as being a strong influence over local politicians.


Mrmilkymilkster t1_iril0kp wrote



adft23 t1_irhn0d6 wrote

I can’t believe something like this is allowed to operate.


supermechace t1_iri7wqe wrote

I think it's like the old stories of a private investigator firm in another country. I think I read that in the US the FBI monitors them but unless they break any US laws or the people they're persecuting file charges they can't do anything.


MaxiqueBDE t1_iriav7z wrote

Enforcing foreign laws on US persons on US soil violates US sovereignty and breaks several laws. Simply operating in US as a foreign agent without declaring being a foreign agent is illegal.


[deleted] t1_iridi1q wrote

"We don't work for the Chinese government... we are simply patriots who convince criminals to return home to face punishment"


Law-of-Poe t1_irifzkk wrote


That’s probably the key word from a legal standpoint. I doubt these people arrest or detail anyone. They probably use vague and plausibly deniable threats to get dissidents to return for punishment

On top of that, everything they say is probably monitored by US intelligence so it’s mutually beneficial to let them go on


AtlasNBA t1_irivllw wrote

A lot of times, families back home in China are threatened in such a way it coerces the individuals abroad to return back there.


PKMKII t1_iris5j6 wrote

It’s more accurately described as targeted propaganda. Calling it secret police speaks more to this “watchdog’s” funding strategy than a sober assessment of the situation.


ViennettaLurker t1_iripfev wrote

> On top of that, everything they say is probably monitored by US intelligence so it’s mutually beneficial to let them go on

This. And if they're not being monitored, we have much bigger problems.


2chicks1bed t1_irj5zji wrote

Yeah , like , “I’m trying to convince you to go back home as the government over there says if you do not return they will make your family pay”. That’s convincing enough for most anyone with a heart and love for there family.


supermechace t1_irih677 wrote

They're not enforcing foreign laws on us soil they convince people to return to China where they then can enforce laws. It's like the spy movies unless they're caught doing something illegal in their cover, cant arbitrarily detain or arrest people.


MaxiqueBDE t1_irihnza wrote

…while operating as an undeclared agent of a foreign government.


supermechace t1_irji3lz wrote

They're probably working for a company not directly for the government. All countries have companies operating in other countries that are basically serving their home country's interests, plausible deniability. Pretty common plot element in spy movies


MaxiqueBDE t1_irjikm1 wrote

I’m sure that defense will hold on court. s/


supermechace t1_irjle1o wrote

Correct there's no violations of any US laws hence there's no grounds for charges so they can continue to operate. As you can see from the articles they're operating in broad daylight and have been careful.


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freeradicalx t1_irjla3v wrote

Well, I'm not sure if it technically is. That's why it's secret. I'm sure that all militant industrial nations run covert foreign gestapo like this. Ours is called the CIA and they definitely 100% run organized operations in China.


clicktosave t1_iri7v7d wrote

This is it:

107 E Broadway #3A, New York, NY 10002


Article 4: Purpose: Extensive solidarity, beautiful relatives, mutual aid, and patriotic spirit. For the interests of relatives, enthusiastic community public interest, encourage Chinese people to join the government, and integrate into the mainstream society.

Article 5: Mission: We will strive to enhance the friendship of the people of China and the United States, contribute to the prosperous overseas Chinese residence, and the prosperous motherland. Guided members comply with U.S. federal, state, and municipal laws and Chinese laws.”

Apologies for the mediocre translation. Personally I find this alarming, and encourage everyone to read the Safe Guard Defenders report. I think called “110 overseas”


KudzuKilla t1_irj76pp wrote

Omg, I use to live in the building next door. Wtf.


refreshed-anus t1_irjjj48 wrote

> encourage Chinese people to join the government, and integrate into the mainstream society.

So infiltrate and conquer from within. Any American citizen with ties to this organization should be tried for treason. Enough of this bullshit.


hagamablabla t1_irl4beb wrote

I walk by this place every week. Wild if this is true.


ronnock t1_irie4i7 wrote

American Changle? What, was this named by Dr Steve Brule??


sholeyheeit t1_irinmdn wrote

Changle (two syllables; "-le" = "lea" in "learn") is a district of Fuzhou City where lots of Fuzhounese New Yorkers originate from. Our Chinatowns have at least a few associations named after a common hometown, partially because it's easier to network/socialize/get support among people who share the same native dialect


aimglitchz t1_irl2vlj wrote

Spacing is inconsistent in English on Chinese names. Chang Le is a place in China. For example Hong Kong has space, while Beijing doesn't, hence inconsistent


misterferguson t1_irijepl wrote

I’ve always wondered about this. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Chinese diaspora has always stuck me as fairly apolitical with regards to China when compared to immigrants from other parts of the world. I wonder if this plays into that.


fritosdoritos t1_irj3bro wrote

The political stance differs depends on various factors - age, social status, education, etc.

Someone's grandparents who suffered through Communism in China during the mid 20th century and then moved to America in the 70-80s would be very anti-China. On the other hand, another person's grandparents who are of similar age but moved to America in the last decade would've experienced the explosive economic growth in China that started in the 90s so they would think more fondly of it.

If they know English, they'll naturally gravitate towards American news sources which are obviously pro-America. The ones who aren't fluent will stay in the Chinese social media ecosystem, where they'll interact more with mainland Chinese citizens.


VictorTrasvina t1_irke75j wrote

That's not what I've seen, most older Chinese parents tend to go through the "break up" syndrome, where after some time they begin to romanticize the good memories and slowly forget the reasons they had for leaving, the "cultural bubble" doesn't help either, think of it this way: If you moved to China today 10/20 years from now you will remember USA as the one in 2022, and thats gonna be your perception of it, because you are not a participant of the everyday small incremental changes happening every day.


MiskatonicDreams t1_irk92ko wrote

“ If they know English, they'll naturally gravitate towards American news sources which are obviously pro-America.”

Not anymore. American news lies too much these days. While China has issues, American news almost never focuses on those. The issues they report are also often blown out of proportion for propaganda needs. Sometimes they translate things incorrectly out of malice too.


Environmental_Toe843 t1_irisp0x wrote

Or could it be that they’re too small in numbers to hold any political sway and don’t want to get on any side’s bad side.


BeamStop23 t1_irj7x57 wrote

No there definitely is something to it. A close associate of mine in America with citizenship but is Chinese and in education will talk about anything political but when i talk about the changes in education in China, or anything political in China, he's non-responsive. I'm just now learning that once you leave China you are still never 100% free. And what you do in America can effect those you have living in China, or can restrict you from ever visiting China again.


Ok_Read701 t1_irjrl2m wrote

Lol this is quite a conspiracy. They don't have that much influence here. They don't go after people unless they're starting movements/protests.

Your friend just didn't want to talk about it.


WhatAGeee t1_irmnasa wrote

I agree, to /u/beamstop23 he most likely knew you would disagree with what he has to say and so he chose to opt out of talking about it because it wasn't worth offending you or jeopardizing the friendship over political stuff.


MiskatonicDreams t1_irk9auh wrote

We don’t want to talk about it with American because Americans don’t know anything about Chinese politics. Most of you have an extremely stereotyped understanding of China and having a conversation with you guys about it is really tiring. Imagine trying to explain Tolkien’s world to someone new in 10 mins. It simply can’t be done.


Significant-Pizza249 t1_irkcgyf wrote

This is not true. In my experience, most Chinese Americans who immigrated before the 21st century are very political, you just don’t really hear about it cause we don’t really talk about it outside our community. The Chinese community in America has traditionally always been strongly anti communist and pro ROC. It’s why even today, you’ll still see more ROC flags than communist flags in Chinatown (you’ll probably see extra amounts of them rn since double ten day is coming up). I’ve grown up and lived in different Chinese communities across the country and this has always been the case. You can see this in our media too (created and published by Chinese in America), it’s overwhelmingly anti CCP and pro democracy

Of course, things are kind of shifting now. The CCP is trying to influence the politics in our overseas communities by doing things like setting up organizations like this, funding family/hometown associations, and paying people to set up pro communist rallies (there were lots of these in 2019 during the HK protests). They’re also definitely surveilling us, a friend of my dads got a phone call from the Chinese police asking for tips about a political post he shared online (even though this guy is an American citizen, lives in Brooklyn, and immigrated over 30 years ago). I see more communist flags in the Chinatowns with new immigrants now, but I would say most of the Chinese community in this country are still strongly anti CCP


BKTKC t1_irkmz37 wrote

Chinese Americans in NYC Chinatown financed the overthrow of the Qing, the foundation of KMT and the Republic. There's even the KMT office on Mott street. The Chinese Benevolent Society aka Chinese School on Mott by its own rules only supports the Republic of China, the KMT is one of the main member of the benevolent society. The Chinese ideology war has been fought clandestinely in Chinatown since the civil war ended, but it was mainly the KMT doing the work on the republic side, the current DPP admin in the Republic is more insular about the global Chinese community since they're focused on primarily the Taiwanese identity and rarely interact with the Chinese American community. The KMT and CCP both expressed the intent to represent all Chinese from around the world when they were formed.

With more recent immigrants from mainland china arriving and the KMT fall from power in Taiwan, things are slowly shifting towards the CCP side. Wechat and Chinese media supporting the CCP views have become the dominant source of news for many older Chinese in the community.


Significant-Pizza249 t1_irkokjb wrote

Yes like I said, things are changing and the CCP is gaining more influence, but in my experience the community here is still overwhelmingly anti communist and pro ROC. Everyone around me holds these views still

Btw ROC does not equal DPP and vice versa, I’m talking about the original ROC/KMT values like 三民主義 and the idea of an eventually Democratic China. DPP really is not that popular here


justtotryit4now t1_irzbmt6 wrote

My neighbors always talk how advanced and safe China is compared to the USA. I told him he should go back there if he thinks it’s that great, he was not happy.


deaddabrain t1_irie11h wrote

Why do they want them back so bad? Not enough unethically paid factory workers?


asian_identifier t1_irihrdm wrote

To stop them hiding money here in the US buying up property


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shotpun t1_irj686s wrote

yeah it's even weirder that municipal authorities in the west are willing to look the other way. sucks that they're all kind of in bed together


Flashdancer405 t1_irkdig5 wrote

Its cause our real estate companies buy up the rest and charge ridiculous rents. They love the scarcity.


oldpersomm t1_irhyr0g wrote

How can this be happening? No news on this?


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tyen0 t1_iripeg0 wrote

It's the Daily Fail, not news.


j3rk-face t1_iriq6tj wrote

Not a peep from the (C)hinese (N)ews (N)etwork

Edit: CNN is a super trustworthy news source


hagamablabla t1_irl4mta wrote

Being untrustworthy and being foreign propaganda are two different things.


Lovat69 t1_iri8zqz wrote

Like, is this true? I was just reading an article of the same thing happening in Canadian cities where the ccp were calling them "service" centers but neither one really came from what I would call reputable sources.


MiskatonicDreams t1_irjole6 wrote

As a Chinese person, I highly doubt it is true. Like if I am in the states and get harassed by them, I’ll call 911 lmao.


Ab2us t1_irl5pes wrote

isn't that the job of the feds not the cops?


TeamMisha t1_irjyebt wrote

I would believe it. If I recall, the Tibetan community living in NYC for example was explicitly warned about infiltration, spying, and harassment from the CCP who wants them to believe they are not safe to speak freely even here in the US


neodymiumPUSSYmagnet t1_irieiiv wrote

Is this really that shocking? This is common practice with just about every world government. Hell, even the NYPD has intelligence offices all over the globe.


sumiveg t1_irileym wrote

They don’t monitor Americans overseas and threaten their families back home though.


MarbleFox_ t1_irjuimf wrote

I guarantee you the CIA, NSA, DHS, etc. monitor overseas Americans and will show up and harass you a bit if they perceive that you’re engaging in “anti-American” sentiment. They already illegally do it on US soil, I can’t imagine why the wouldn’t also do it on foreign soil where they aren’t subject to US law.


Rakonas t1_irj2qtu wrote

You literally can be charged with tax evasion for not paying us taxes when you've left


sumiveg t1_irjbyo5 wrote

Are you really comparing what the Chinese government does to their citizens abroad to what the US does? Absurd.


Ok_Extreme_6512 t1_irk2tk4 wrote

Absurd to be blind to the horrible track record the US has on human rights at home and abroad


Rakonas t1_irlm6xu wrote

It's this circular logic that everything [foreign country] does is uniquely bad and different from anything bad that the US does, where the former is because that country is inherent bad and the latter is despite the US being inherently good. There is no amount of horrible shit the US can do that will dispel this notion for some people.


araararagi-san t1_irljx5a wrote

US has killed their citizens and their families with trial-less drone strikes overseas, don't be dense


sumiveg t1_irncyih wrote

Well, I guess in light of Obama’s drone war, Chinese surveillance and oppression of its citizens throughout the world is perfectly acceptable.


araararagi-san t1_irnlczy wrote

I've simply disproved your claim that the US "don’t monitor Americans overseas"


sumiveg t1_irpj1l2 wrote

My claim was that they don’t monitor and then threaten their families back home. If you honestly believe there’s any kind of parity between what the OP is about and the way the US monitors it’s citizens abroad and threatens them then I don’t know what to tell you.


araararagi-san t1_irpxk5p wrote

> they don’t monitor

how do you kill someone with a drone strike if you haven't monitored them?


Rpanich t1_iriu81o wrote

Yes, it’s very uncommon and a violation of human rights and international law.

> Although the CCP claims the stations are meant to keep an eye on ‘fraud and telecom fraud’ committed by citizens living aboard, the human rights group condemned the stations.

>Laura Harth, the Safeguard Defenders’ campaign manager, said it was shocking to learn that China was carrying out police operations in foreign countries.

>‘I think it shows how brazen the CCP is getting and how little regard they have for other governments,’ she told . ‘It’s in violation of international law, it’s in violation of territorial sovereign.’


FriendlyComputer7321 t1_iri01kl wrote

Is this some deal the government cooked up w China in return for something else?


2chicks1bed t1_irj87jc wrote

Doing shady Chinese work on American soil should be illegal here. Do we have no say as tax paying citizens? Or is our government operating the same as the CCP? I don’t understand... Are we keeping the peace in hopes that our turning a blind eye would work both ways and be reciprocated in the future?


BeaBernard t1_irjq93l wrote

This is a daily mail article guys try to remember to take it with a grain of salt 🙃


Pespective6 t1_irlailg wrote

The CIA propaganda writes itself at this point.


DontDrinkTooMuch t1_irir4on wrote

Fuck the Chinese government. Hope they read this.


vasjpan02 t1_irjjcgc wrote

in the 1970s chinese classmates felt chang kai shek and mao both spied on them. they said they sent phoney 'students' who already had degrees to infiltrate. and the communist spies are easy to spot photographing falung gong activities, they usually have no pock marks on faces or clothes, expensive leisure clothing.


lawnmowingdude t1_irk8ngz wrote

If the Chinese government is monitoring this sub, can you please stop spamming me with voicemails every day. I got my Chinese visa in 2015, enough already!


Meedad t1_irkhg8d wrote

Next to our office these Chinese people built a building and since then none of our phones gets signal??????


hcdoodles t1_irkunez wrote

Blah...blah...blah.....nonsensical posts.


Eternauta1985 t1_irl1geg wrote

This is like pretty much always happening with any authoritarian regime. Look at what Iraq had in Manhattan…


ABCinNYC98 t1_iroz6lb wrote

I think this is sensationalism. Its the police dept of Fuzhou city that helps with renewal of drivers licenses while people are overseas.

Its not a provincial level police of Fujian province, nor the national police of rhe PRC.

One of the biggest group of Chinese immigrants in NYC are from Fuzhou.

How is it secret? they a freaking sign on the building. Track dissendent from a city police agency with no way of enforcement.

Its like stationing NYPD overseas to help with making reports of wellness checks while travelling overseas.


j3rk-face t1_irip66k wrote

Where are all the antifa dorks?

Literal fascist government opens a HQ in your city and not a peep.


BrieGoneThot t1_irixvw4 wrote

Deport all these fucks immediately and with extreme prejudice


KaiDaiz t1_irizo0e wrote

Its the embassy and common practice by all nations. Every nation's embassy on foreign soil is a foreign intelligence staging post


Sergster1 t1_irj4zgq wrote

This is a somewhat nothing burger as the NYPD has Singapore offices as well.

NYPD Officers have arrested people on foreign soil and brought them back to NY to be charged.


SexyPeanut_9279 t1_irjxcju wrote

So What’s your point, the Chinese are not spying on us because Singapore has a consulate here too?


Sergster1 t1_irk3nsa wrote

My point is that its not unheard of for cities to do this.


OldButtIcepop t1_irm2a4i wrote

Does not make it okay. All of them need to cut this shit out


RumBox t1_iri5xsz wrote

It's the fucking daily mail.


GoRangers5 t1_iri746y wrote

Daily Mail does suck, but if you google the story other people are reporting it.


baconandeggsbutter t1_irigvk1 wrote

Its not like CNN, MSNBC and FOX, WAPO, dont post stupid shit for articles all the time. I can produce to you a shitload of shit articles from those sites. Stop being so fragile.



RumBox t1_irih6bo wrote

If you don't think there's a gigantic difference between the Washington Post and the Daily Mail - congratulations, you're a dipshit.


baconandeggsbutter t1_iriiulb wrote

Just because someone looks sharper and has some great moment doesn't mean he is bullet proof from having moments of sheer stupidity at best and at worst moments of neglect and malice.

Like I said, I can point to moments like these from NYT, Wapo, FOX, MSNBC, CNN.

Go enjoy the weather now.


froggythefish t1_iri967q wrote

Sure they do. People need to stop believing every little thing they hear about other countries. Do you think it’s a coincidence that the three nations the media loves to exaggerate and write about (DPRK, china, Russia) are all Asian?


SickleYiff t1_iriaz6d wrote

Go tell Putin he’s not in the European sphere, I bet he’d love that. Calling Russia “Asian” is hilarious.


lexicon_riot t1_irivbv7 wrote

Probably because those countries are run by a fash regime my guy.