co_matic t1_itzubt7 wrote
>The shelter complex’s opening on Oct. 19 coincided with a drop in the number of Venezuelan nationals entering the U.S. illegally after the Biden administration announced an agreement to expel many of them to Mexico, according to border aid groups. Most migrants who have traveled north on buses in recent months came originally from Venezuela, in part because the government-sponsored rides brought them to cities with large Venezuelan populations.
Biden started using Title 42 - a Trump-era policy used to turn back asylum-seekers on pretext of stopping COVID transmission - to turn back Venezuelan asylum-seekers, after failing to repeal the policy earlier this year. Seems like Dems saw the Abbott bus stunt as being bad for their midterm chances, and so basically adopted the GOP policy on immigration for the time being.
TudeExtrude t1_iu0sd26 wrote
Not often discussed is, why should we provide asylum to them? They came through Mexico and didn't apply there, thats a statute in the requirements for applying to asylum in the US.
Asylum is about getting to safety and getting away from a repressive government, since when has it been "go to the best possible country for your personal economic reasons"?
JRsshirt t1_iu2bow9 wrote
Because asylum has long been misused as a lever for immigration. The whole system needs to be overhauled imo. It shouldn’t be so hard to move here legally that you have to claim you’re doing it for your own safety to get in.
tonka737 t1_iu4gug3 wrote
Well it makes sense to manage who enters your borders. Limited state funds and filters who can enter the country.
givemegreencard t1_iu5elal wrote
> They came through Mexico and didn't apply there, thats a statute in the requirements for applying to asylum in the US.
No it is not.
The US only has a safe third country agreement with Canada.
Whatever your opinion on asylum law and whether or not it is abused, no applicant for asylum in the U.S. has a legal requirement to seek asylum in any intermediary country they passed through.
Whether these asylum applicants actually qualify based on a well-founded fear of persecution based on the protected classes is a different question.
PyramidClub t1_iu45u2w wrote
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
damnatio_memoriae t1_iu6aet0 wrote
Dave's not here, man.
dread_beard t1_iu5qjhb wrote
What you say is fully accurate. I mean, read my comments and posts. I am very, very liberal. But there is zero reason for these migrants to not apply for asylum in Mexico. Period. This is not how the process is legally supposed to go.
ketzal7 t1_iu0395d wrote
As Dems always do. Talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Btw I’m not advocating for Republicans, just saying Dems are not immigrant friendly either.
TarumK t1_iu0rj59 wrote
I don't know what immigrant friendly means. Most of the people coming from Venezuela are clearly economic migrants not political refugees. The liberal position on this is very hypocritical. Is the idea that America should take in unlimited immigrants? If so why are we making them go through all the trouble of an incredibly dangerous route through gangland and the desert? Why not just sell them plane tickets from their home countries? There's no coherent position there at all. No matter how restrictive or open immigration policy is, most people who would like to come to America are never gonna be able to come to America.
djphan2525 t1_iu19psq wrote
so what's DACA then? here let me help
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals
ketzal7 t1_iu1whcp wrote
No DACA recipient wants to stay in status limbo forever. They want a path towards citizenship.
princessnegrita t1_iu2hrx8 wrote
It’s a half measure that is still so much better than literally nothing.
We can acknowledge wins and still expect better. This country has had amnesties before, at the very least they could do it again to clear backlogs.
djphan2525 t1_iu1xt9p wrote
oh wait... 800,000 people enrolled in the program is nobody?
>I strongly believe that children who were illegally brought into this country through no fault of their own should not be forced to return to a country they do not know. The 800,000 innocent young people granted deferred action under DACA over the last several years are pursuing degrees, starting careers, and contributing to our communities in important ways. While I disagreed with President Obama's unilateral action on this issue, I believe that rescinding DACA at this time is an unacceptable reversal of the promises and opportunities that have been conferred to these individuals.
-Senator John McCain, Republican
ketzal7 t1_iu1zx7l wrote
I said they don’t want to stay in permanent DACA status. I never said they refuse DACA outright.
djphan2525 t1_iu2ub7c wrote
and what's your point.. these 800,000 people are better off when DACA was in place or else why were they trying to use it...
was that nothing? or it doesn't count for you?
yea i thought so...
Draymond_Purple t1_iu09arb wrote
In what world are Dems not immigrant friendly... It's like one of their pillars.
Everyone can always be better, do better, but that doesn't mean Dems aren't immigrant friendly
movingtobay2019 t1_iu0i0dd wrote
You are conflating rhetoric with action.
It's easy to be "friendly" and say the right things when it doesn't cost anything. When it starts costing votes? Think you get the point.
So I guess if by "immigrant friendly" you mean bunch of feel good statements without substance, you would be on point. Democrats have certainly mastered it (see the free housing lawyers they promised without giving as much a second of thought as to how they are going to retain a supply of highly trained lawyers).
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iu0rcs0 wrote
DACA was massive action. It’s not the policy of dems to let everyone who wants to be a citizen be a citizen.
kent2441 t1_iu2mx2a wrote
So it costs them votes, they lose power, and they can’t do anything at all. Then what?
Toilethyme t1_iu0k751 wrote
We can be friendly to immigrants and still send them home, humanely. There’s a difference between enforcing the law and abject brutality.
ketzal7 t1_iu0l33v wrote
Policy wise it seems like it but they’ve consistently turned a blind eye to border patrol abuses and have had no problem pushing Republican immigration policies when it suits them.
Hrekires t1_iu0crbt wrote
Trump was the worst, most corrupt President to serve in my lifetime.
But not literally everything he did was wrong.
vy2005 t1_iu1d7om wrote
The migrants are getting treated much worse in Mexico. Just doesn’t make it to American media. Your view of that as right or wrong is subjective
co_matic t1_iu0jjaf wrote
Hrekires t1_iu0ke7c wrote
Congress has had 78 years to reform or repeal Title 42 under the Public Health Service Act and has chosen not to.
Cyril_Clunge t1_iu0jswk wrote
How young are you?
Hrekires t1_iu0kp16 wrote
39
I'm open to the debate that GWB was worse, but I think trying to overthrow an election trumps the Iraq War.
AggrievedEntitlement t1_iu1ku5a wrote
How many people died because of the Iraq war?
actualhumanwaste t1_iu1ojfb wrote
Imo it's fair to say that Bush was worse on a humanitarian and international level while Trump was worse on a domestic level. As for total human suffering, Bush probably takes the cake.
Cyril_Clunge t1_iu50fs6 wrote
Bush also had 9/11 (not saying he did it but the ball was dropped somewhere), Hurricane Katrina and the Financial Crash of 2008. Plus the whole Florida 2000 shenanigans. At this point, it's probably easier to focus on which POTUS was the least shitty.
Something I always find funny is people talking about post-truth era with Trump, as if he's the first President to ever lie. After having the Vietnam War, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Monica Lewinsky, Iraq WMDs, etc....
chargeorge t1_iu0se1u wrote
Beyond that change, border migration always slows into the fall and winter.
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