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Impossible_Ad_7209 t1_iv6q3vs wrote
Absolutely, you end up paying more for no service and often a uncomfortable room. Exorbitant cleaning fees for varying states of cleanliness and customer support. The only instances where I book with them are for unique accommodations or group trips when we enjoy cooking and the extra space. I use the platform to research smaller, independent establishments and try to book direct with them - more often then not they have their own alternate booking platform.
good2goo t1_iv871kr wrote
But it's nice to see the new styles from ikea without having to go to ikea.
Plane-Bee-374 t1_iv97sls wrote
I will never forget the absolute loneliness of staying in an AirBnB on Christmas Eve on Montreal. Watching a man shit outside in the park across the street and absolutely no services. No one to ask anything. I got dinged for not scouring something g.
That and check in was at 5 and checkout was at 9.
Edit: most of my experiences with Airbnb have been lacking in interaction, bland or at best adequate. Hotels have always mostly more “hospitable” though I’ve also stayed in some doozies. But I feel like I’m getting value for the hospitality. Especially on short stays of under a week.
Hrekires t1_iv6um1y wrote
If you're comparing a single hotel room to an Airbnb, the hotel wins out in almost all circumstances.
Airbnb can sometimes win out if it's a group of people and you're comparing like 3-4 hotel rooms to 1 Airbnb rental.
AnacharsisIV t1_iv787wq wrote
At that point shouldn't you be comparing a suite to an airbnb?
veyd t1_iv7et4q wrote
I think most suites don’t have multiple bedrooms.
jenn4u2luv t1_iv9598l wrote
Usually hotel suites are exactly that—2 or more bedrooms
glatts t1_iv9wtho wrote
I’ve never seen a 4 bedroom hotel suite.
LostSoulNothing t1_ivgmoau wrote
They exist. Many hotels will also let you create one by booking a one or two bedroom suite and one or more adjoining rooms
glatts t1_ivguox2 wrote
Most hotels that have adjoining rooms only adjoin one other room. You're not going to be able to daisy-chain like 4 rooms together.
Shame_On_Matt t1_iva4iaa wrote
Cause you’re not the president
D14DFF0B t1_iv7f1l6 wrote
Two normal rooms will be cheaper than a two bed suite normally.
Rib-I t1_iv7vlt0 wrote
I’ll look for AirBnBs if I’m traveling to somewhere known for local ingredients. Think Italy, France, Spain, etc. I enjoy having a kitchen and going to local markets to put together some meals. A metropolitan place like New York tho? Eh, give me the hotel room.
wind_stars_fireflies t1_iva4cuh wrote
I consider location as well. Not for NYC so much, but when I visit family upstate I can get an airbnb room more or less down the street, or a hotel a half an hour away. I'll generally opt for a hotel room over an airbnb, but hotels get scarce in non tourist areas.
k1lk1 t1_ivag4w3 wrote
AirBNB still hits a sweet spot, which is full rentals with kitchens, W/D, etc. They can be priced very well for week+ stays in such types of places. Works well for people with dogs, and doing remote work, and such. Not a great option for NYC, I'd say though.
Dgluhbirne t1_iv8q4aa wrote
My issue with Airbnb is schedule changes and refunds. I’ve had so many issues of flights getting cancelled (thus no longer needing a 3 night long-weekend Airbnb, but unlike a hotel I’m on the hook for the whole cost instead of just a 1-night cancellation penalty), work meeting dates getting switched last minute (office will cover both options), snowstorm means I’m arriving a day late, etc etc. I think I’ve lost $600 to Airbnb for such things this year alone… and when you cancel, they still keep the cleaning fee???
Here_Her t1_iv8quz7 wrote
It depends when you cancel. Your reservation should tell you the last day to cancel for a refund . After that date it’s a game to get it back
Dgluhbirne t1_ivegeq9 wrote
Yes. I’m not talking about the normal cancellation rules and whether one follows them or not. I’m talking about last minute unforeseen circumstances. That works at hotels, it doesn’t work at airbnbs
Here_Her t1_ivex621 wrote
That’s the difference from Airbnb & hotels. People actually live off of their profits for renting out their space. Just don’t use it if you don’t prefer it. Such a world we live in and the sources of incomes that evolve each day.
smackbauer t1_iv84t25 wrote
For short stays, totally. The cleaning and service charges add up.
openlyEncrypted t1_iv8vu54 wrote
Yes. Unless you are booking for a group. I only use abb if 6+ people need to stay together. Usually abb are cheaper in the latter case
crek42 t1_iv80cj4 wrote
Well, yea why wouldn’t they be more expensive? You’re getting way more space and privacy.
spideyv91 t1_iv6xj4u wrote
Still had the opposite experience, Airbnb is usually cheaper at most they’re about the same price which I book based on amenities at that point.
tonybotz t1_iv6q5oa wrote
After having my Airbnb robbed in Paris and my flat in Sitges have no running water for two days, I’ve gone back to hotels.
3B854 t1_iv7eot1 wrote
Hotels are cheaper half the time
ctindel t1_iv7piv9 wrote
Hotels should be cheaper because you get less for your money it's a tiny studio apartment except with no kitchen and lots of times not even a fridge or couch. When you stay at an airbnb lots of times its multiple rooms, living room, kitchen, etc. The fact that airbnbs are cheaper AND have more amenities AND are more conveniently located to non-touristy places seems like a temporary misprice of market goods.
Airbnb absolutely shit the bed by allowing hosts to fuck around and set exorbitant cleaning fees though. I had another one that listed for a 3-bedroom in the headline/search results but then made us a pay an extra fee to get the unlock code for the 3rd bedroom when we showed up. Airbnb only refunded my money when I threatened to file a complaint for false advertising with the attorney general.
3B854 t1_iv854gg wrote
Airbnb is good for groups but that’s it. The idea was a hotel alternative but it is now a business. Just like house flipping. Not everyone can do it. Plus the fee abuse needs to be stopped.
smooth_rubber_001 t1_iv8c8lr wrote
Agreed. For my wedding in Japan, I had my entire family fly over to Tokyo. We're big on family so everyone wanted to stick together for the duration of the trip. I booked them (if I remember I think it was 15 relatives and my parents) an entire house close to Ikebukuro). It was the only option and it turned out to be WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY cheaper than hotel rooms (Tokyo area hotels are notoriously expensive especially during Sakura season which is when my wedding was held).
Anyway, tangential story, I booked a single apartment studio for my mother and father when they came to visit (this was another time, a year or two after my wedding). It was hosted by a woman (forgot the name but it's important to the story) who claimed to have the best cleaning services and most awesome response times and blah blah blah. I picked up my parents at Haneda, brought them to the Airbnb, we checked in and it was a fucking dump. Bed had a shit ton of, what looked like male pubic hair, crusted yellow stains on the sheets and pillow cases, crusty yellow blotchy stains on the ceiling. Bathroom smelled like someone threw up in there, but it was spotless except for what looked like blood stains smeared all over one side of the wall. Floors were old as fuck. Basically, the apartment looked nothing like the photos which were heavily edited and all taken at angles to make everything look larger. I should have known better.
I reached out the host by phone. A man picks up instead of the host. He said he is the host's friend and that she's away (obviously bullshit because I was aware that in Tokyo lots of third party home managers help hosts rent their apartments or houses on Airbnb). I explain to him the situation calmly, and said I want a refund. He refused but said he could send cleaners to the apartment the NEXT day. I refused back at him and I demanded a refund. Guy said he needs to check and will call me back. Didn't call me back for 30 minutes so I try reaching out to him for the next hour and realize he is ghosting me.
Called Airbnb, they directed me to the US offices I guess. They made me send photos of the apartment, which I did. Support staff I spoke to was nice but apparently since I had already checked in they needed the host to unilaterally refund me or some bullshit excuse. I had enough, so I asked my wife (who is Japanese) to send a message in Japanese that went something like "If you don't refund me I will get the police involved. I will also reach out to NHK and other news outlets about this apartment from hell so that they have a cool story to report on. I will also seek out a lawyer and sue you into oblivion because I know you're probably illegally renting this apartment on Airbnb."
I got refunded almost right away after hitting send. Fucker. Just writing about the experience pisses me off lol, more so because I had fucked up so bad for my parents. I ended up getting them a hotel afterwards.
3B854 t1_iv8v30q wrote
That’s terrible. I had to threaten Airbnb for my money back as well. Such embarrassing behavior. If i had stock i would sell because it’s at its peak
ctindel t1_iv8drwh wrote
Excluding the bad host problems, airbnb is great for people who want to stay in a regular neighborhood around locals instead of in the touristy areas where hotels are licensed to operate. Let's say you're a parent from the midwest coming to visit your adult child who lives in queens or brooklyn, do you want to stay in wall street/times square/midtown where most of the hotels are or do you want to stay in the same neighborhood where your kid lives?
If cities didn't limit hotel locations and try to concentrate them in certain places, and hotels provided more kitchen-like amenities so people can cook for themselves when traveling this would all be less of an issue. But airbnb basically figured out that hotels aren't providing what a lot of people really want.
3B854 t1_iv8v4kp wrote
There are hotels in Brooklyn lol
ctindel t1_iv8vtc0 wrote
Hotels in the outer boroughs are clustered around the airport and expensive or trendy neighborhoods like Long Island city or downtown Brooklyn. The ones that don’t fall into those categories have frequently been taken over for use as homeless housing.
And anyway, all of the things being equal why wouldn’t you wanna living room and the kitchen for the same or less money?
GrayWing121 t1_ivao37q wrote
Found the AirBnB owner
tikihiki t1_iva2ll8 wrote
Hotels have 24 hour staff, are more consistent, clean your room each day, are conveniently located to touristy places. Both have pros and cons and I disagree that Airbnb's are objectively "worth more".
CactusBoyScout t1_ivajbi3 wrote
The entire initial appeal of Airbnb, in my view, was being away from designated tourist zones and having a kitchen if I wanted to cook. And that’s it.
But they ruined it with outrageous fees and host demands.
phoenixmatrix t1_ivdjre6 wrote
>and having a kitchen if I wanted to cook
There's plenty of hotels that have kitchens (at least in big cities). Just need to specifically look for one. Doesn't fix the other reasons, but that one one is overblown.
ctindel t1_iva3qpj wrote
The Marriott hotels I’ve stayed in lately don’t clean your room every day, I guess as a cost cutting measure.
There are plenty of airbnbs in touristy neighborhoods too. I’d say the majority of people would rather have more space and a kitchen than 24 hour staff. I agree about the consistency though obviously it’s a huge value that large chains bring, and rewards points. My coworkers for years, at least as far back as 2014 choose to stay in airbnbs on business trips but I like those rewards points!
I only stay at Airbnb when I’m going somewhere with a group and we want a house/cabin to hang out in together.
HuntOk3506 t1_ivb29t9 wrote
>> The Marriott hotels I’ve stayed in lately don’t clean your room every day, I guess as a cost cutting measure.
This is a US thing. Outside of the states the hotels do what they are paid for.
ctindel t1_ivbdldv wrote
Maybe. This only started during covid and persisted during the ensuing labor shortage. TBH I don’t want someone coming into my room during a stay so I always left the DND sign up anyway. I like not having to worry about a cleaning fee when I leave though, that was always some bullshit about Airbnb.
BarriBlue t1_iv9u0kn wrote
>Airbnb absolutely shit the bed by allowing hosts to fuck around and set exorbitant cleaning fees
AND simultaneously allowing hosts to make wild cleaning and check out rules for the guest to follow. Wtf. Cleaning fee? Fine. But why am I still expected to super clean before I check out? What am I even paying for then?
CactusBoyScout t1_ivaj43o wrote
Yeah last time I used airbnb was in Barcelona and I spent my entire last day there scrubbing the place clean and I still got a bad review from the host (mentioning cleanliness) and got charged a cleaning fee.
Fuck that I’ll just go back to hotels.
ctindel t1_iva24in wrote
Yeah get out there and rake up the leaves and mow the lawn!
TarumK t1_ivajdor wrote
Hotels are tightly regulated and pay really high taxes. That's why they're so much more expensive than airbnb.
ctindel t1_ivbdrdv wrote
Is it that they “pay high taxes” or that the city charges an exorbitant hotel tax on the occupants because it’s a way of taxing people who aren’t residents and therefore don’t get to vote on the taxes in the first place?
TarumK t1_ivbfl2o wrote
I mean a tax on hotels vs taxing the guests directly amounts to the same thing, either way It makes it more expensive to stay at a hotel than an airbnb.
bilbo_swagginz_boi t1_iv9ujzz wrote
When I’m traveling I’m generally not in the place I’m staying at all that much
ctindel t1_iva21xk wrote
You might not be but some people are.
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_ivbaowz wrote
Airbnb should technically be cheaper.
They pay illegal labor in cash for things like cleaning vs employees who you pay things like payroll taxes on. Hotels also pay for things like insurance.
Investors on Airbnb have basically extracted all the value they could at this point.
ctindel t1_ivbdcyo wrote
Yeah I understand why the owners’ cost structures are lower I just meant from the perspective of value provided, a well run Airbnb unit offers more value than a well run hotel.
crek42 t1_iv805jv wrote
This is parroted all over Reddit and if people just took a moment to think about it you’d quickly realize you’re not making a fair comparison. Hotels are, the vast majority of the time, 350 square feet and simply don’t work for a family or groups. Rentals are entire apartments or homes with a yard or other amenities. Surely it’s easy to comprehend that rentals are a better value if you consider the above.
smooth_rubber_001 t1_iv8dd7y wrote
There are definitely pros and cons to Airbnb, the good experiences I had with Airbnb, I genuinely loved them because I was traveling in large groups with either friends or family and we wanted to have that big house / 4-5+ bedroom condominium experience.
But damn, their cleaning fees can be absurd for single travelers. I've seen listings in America where the cleaning fees are 4-5x more than the nightly room cost.
crek42 t1_iv8dlvb wrote
Yea exactly — they serve different needs. My family of 4 cannot stay in a hotel without spending buckets of cash. It’s just more fun having a house to rent when I have the family vacationing and friends/other family visit.
kjuneja t1_iv9ej09 wrote
>simply don’t work for a family or groups
You've made an oversimplification. Hotels are fine (and "work") for short stays with our without families.
socialcommentary2000 t1_iv9luqe wrote
They literally also have entire brands from Hotel chains dedicated to making your family vacation enjoyable.
AirBNB is not a substitute for actual hotels unless you're some kind of rare edge case, like getting a summer share where lots of people are attending or the odd off "I need to haul like 15 people to a destination" type shit.
Hotels know this, too and they're not losing out on much money by not specifically catering to these much rarer odd sized groups.
The Youtube creator Modern MBA did a great video detailing why the industry doesn't consider AirBNB a threat and doesn't have to.
crek42 t1_iva8brp wrote
I mean, of course they’re a substitute. You think if rentals didn’t exist people just wouldn’t travel? The hotel lobby fights for short term rental regulation all the time in Washington — do they do that because they don’t see them as a threat?
socialcommentary2000 t1_ivaysxm wrote
Wouldn't you? Why not? Put yourself in the position of being an established hotelier. You've gone through the capital costs to be above board in running an enterprise. You're insured and indemnified against loss, you've taken the proper code steps for things like safety and food handling standards. You've developed relationships with suppliers and clients...et cetera et cetera.
You've done all this and then a matchmaking app that's specifically there to get around all of that built up structure comes along. Now, the neat thing is, in the end, it's not really affecting your bottom line. This has been borne out, it's not a theoretical. Hotels are not suffering because of AirBnB.
Wouldn't you twist the knife just to make a point?
I would. Alls fair in love and commerce, eh?
crek42 t1_ivb1pe3 wrote
I mean all you have to do is google it. Hotels aggressively lobby against short term rental regulations.
crek42 t1_iva840q wrote
Yea they’re “fine” but why would you want to bring your family to stay in a hotel when you can rent a whole house with a yard? Growing up, when the family wanted to go to beach we never stayed in a hotel but rented a home and friends and family would come down to visit for a day or two. Same with everyone else I knew. It’s the de facto choice when you want to travel without just your partner.
kjuneja t1_ivaejcx wrote
Because sometimes you're only staying somewhere a day or two. Airbnb is great for long stays with big groups. Otherwise the fees counter the value
jwarnyc t1_ivanlpv wrote
Hotels offer half the home
utamog t1_ivbii41 wrote
It’s good to have the competition
3B854 t1_ivgcbdd wrote
What competition when the cleaning fee cost an entire night hotel stay and i still need to clean after myself?b
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MarketMan123 t1_iva01yy wrote
Because hotel rooms don’t get robbed?
tonybotz t1_iva7h3k wrote
Airbnbs are a target. Any criminal can see the listings. I was followed in paris after shopping. When I came back from dinner my balcony door was open and all the clothes I bought were stolen. Never happened to me in a hotel
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sdotmills t1_iv6u17v wrote
Hotels are now way cheaper than Airbnbs. Only reason I could see to go the AirBnb/VRBO route is if you have pets you want to bring along or a large family you want in one location.
Dantheking94 t1_iv6zhuh wrote
The Hilton Hotels is using that in their ads 😭
ctindel t1_iv7pvy9 wrote
Maybe hotel chains should start making more multi-room suites with living rooms and kitchens, since that's what a lot of groups want when they go on vacation.
crek42 t1_iv80nc1 wrote
I travel twice a month for work. I haven’t seen this to be true at all.
landdwellingmammal t1_ivalxhk wrote
A number of hotels and some chains are starting to allow pets too, though with pet fees. On a few recent trips, I’ve taken my furry buddy with me and stayed in hotels instead of Airbnbs.
Bodoblock t1_iv759am wrote
I think AirBnB is just changing. It's no longer the default cheap getaway option. But if you have a big group? AirBnB is probably still the best option. Hotels still make it weirdly difficult at times if you need multiple beds. It's also great for longer-term stays too.
While you may need to put in a bit more work to find good prices they're still out there. It's not like every listing is gouging you. It's dependent by owner.
evilgenius12358 t1_iv7gslk wrote
To be fair, local taxes can be 10-15+% before all the Airbnb fees are added.
MetsToWS t1_iv7ip8e wrote
What’s your alternative for a similar experience?
SubstantialSquareRd t1_iv9xwl3 wrote
Who should we use instead?
crek42 t1_iv80jug wrote
They’re dead? Have you checked their financials lately…?
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sassbayc t1_iv6w3eu wrote
it’s a $70B company lol
another example of a small vocal minority online not representing how most people think and act
TheObliviousPickle t1_iv6xq2y wrote
Market cap isn’t 70b. At least come with correct stats if you aim to make a point. It’s 60b and shares have plummeted over 50% this year. It is indeed dying.
Effective-Offer6879 t1_iv729gv wrote
Most things plummeted
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The_CerealDefense t1_iv7245m wrote
The issue is that its valued like a tech company, which is not the business its in. And its comparable businesses are not valued the same. And they are clearly on the decline.
One of the big things they had going for them early was the cost was wildly competitive to hotels and other lodging but that advantage has dried up, because the company needs to like, actually make money, and people doing AirBnBs became professional AirBnBers and that was never the intention and its pushed rates higher.
sassbayc t1_iv72h99 wrote
yeah that explains their record Q3 quarter. made more money that at any point in their history
The_CerealDefense t1_iv73kw6 wrote
Its just fuckery with their finances. Those margins between net revenue vs net income are so high that there's no chance that it came from actual business but from screwing around with finance stuff.
taylortru t1_iv79xlf wrote
You’re just saying words you don’t understand
Kuntry_Roadz t1_iv8kqlv wrote
It's just pent up post COVID demand .
Airbnb is going down the shitter
Robinho999 t1_iv6muup wrote
good, fuck airbnb
eterneraki t1_iv7vnhy wrote
Why? I stay in both and both have their place. Hotels can't always give you what Airbnbs can give. In fact most hotels still have garbage WiFi and nothing but a bed and TV.
Robinho999 t1_iv7zg1g wrote
airbnb is a cancer on the housing market and the sooner the company is beaten into submission by regulation the better
George4Mayor86 t1_iv85ves wrote
Airbnb allows housing to be funged into hotel rooms but not the other way around. It has a niche because there is unmet demand for cheap hotels, but also worsens the unmet demand for housing. It doesn’t cause the problem, it reveals it.
Yes, restricting Airbnb is probably a good move in the short term. But the real answer is we need to green light a lot more construction of both housing and hotels.
fabulousbrownme t1_iv8kbs7 wrote
There's plenty of housing construction going on in NYC. The problem is MOST people CANNOT afford it. No rational unmarried person over 30 wants to have a roommate just so they can afford a roof over their head. Then they step outside and have to deal with mentally unstable homeless people, criminals, tardy, and the smell of urine permeating the air.
George4Mayor86 t1_iv8kkoy wrote
If the price is still too high, then by defintion there is not enough of it.
If melons are too expensive, the answer is to grow more melons.
fabulousbrownme t1_iv8m0xs wrote
In theory, yes that makes sense. Realistically, there are entirely too many people here already and people just keep coming here. NYC is full
George4Mayor86 t1_iv8ojls wrote
No, New York City is not “full.” Parts of Manhattan are arguably “full” to the point where more density could be a bad thing, but there are four other boroughs still made up mostly of sprawl.
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fabulousbrownme t1_iv8vb5s wrote
Trust and believe if my mother wasn't going through ongoing health complications for the past 2 years related to her liver transplant I would have already left and been in NC by now. There are still people in the world who put family first. So your guess would be wrong. You have better odds playing lotto
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GND52 t1_iv9w5si wrote
The amount of new housing has trailed population growth for decades. No, there is not plenty of new housing.
bottom t1_iva2olz wrote
Lol. What does revel mean?
Exploit ? Make worse ?
crek42 t1_iv80hx3 wrote
Maybe in some markets but it’s been a huge boon to our local economy which is dependent on tourism dollars. Local towns here really like airbnbs.
Robinho999 t1_iv82dq1 wrote
let me guess, you're one of these self-styled airbnb hilton wannabes, get a real job!
crek42 t1_iv8cyqo wrote
Nope just live in a beach community where tourists pay a bunch for taxes and visit our local businesses. It was in NY State’s economic report they put out every year for our county — 40% of our local dollars were spent on tourism and tourism-related activities. We actually have super low property taxes because of the money it brings in. Also I work in tech out of NYC and very much have a real job.
The local government sent surveys via mail about perception of short term rentals before deciding on legislation and the results of that survey are all public. Not sure who would downvote my comment without any additional information.
TheBeesBestKnees t1_iv9nz7l wrote
What utopia in NY is this beach community with "super low property taxes?"
bottom t1_iva2jm9 wrote
It does screw with local rents a lot. People keep their places just to rent out - they make more but that leads to less rooms available - that locks in g e whole silly/demand thingy and you have more expenses rent and neighbourhoods that have no soul, just tourists.
LouisSeize t1_iv752xi wrote
I loved that WSJ article where they showed not only all the extra fees added onto an Airbnb bill but the surprise chore list from the homeowners, e.g. scrub the bathtub before you leave.
TheBeesBestKnees t1_iv9non2 wrote
It's not a vacation for me if I'm doing chores, I don't care if I've saved 12¢.
dkleckner88 t1_iv9ryco wrote
Anything outside of take the trash out is a nope. Sorry, not doing it.
JadeandCobalt t1_ivaetse wrote
Airbnb takes a 10-12% (I forget the exact figure) of the listed price from hosts, and then tacks the same fee onto the guests, so for each listing, they take 20+% commission.
mp90 t1_iv766uy wrote
They're a victim of the same thing that happened to Uber and other '10s tech companies: the VC money dried up. Now they need to make a profit.
I also saw a very compelling insight recently that resonated with me: "Airbnb's core user base grew up and can now more easily afford hotels." When I was a young 20-something, I liked staying in Airbnb home shares on European vacations. But now as a 30-something, I prefer a higher level of comfort and cleanliness.
NKR1978 t1_iv7djp3 wrote
Unless it's a group trip, there's no reason for AirBnB. Even on groups I'll sometimes stay in a hotel instead. At least with a hotel, I can leave my bags with their bellman and start the vacation if the room isn't ready.
Very_Bad_Janet t1_iv7tllm wrote
Airbnb are good for families. But so are its competitors VRBO and Hotels.com, which both have apartment and house rentals, and maybe other sites. They aren't unique.
Ice_Business t1_iv8b8rg wrote
Same here. I traveled in groups in my 20s and Airbnb made it very cheap. Something like $50/night when you divided it among your friends. Nowadays, I travel with my SO and Airbnb pricing is comparable with hotels, except Airbnbs come with chores and a complicated check in or check out.
MarketMan123 t1_iva0jq4 wrote
The “millennial subsidy” is starting to disappear.
Meanwhile, this whole idea of “build a following by being real cheap and operating in the red and they’ll stick with us when we raise prices” is proving to be very false (or maybe its a "play long game, bet it all" strategy that is very high risk/high reward)
When Amazon stops refunding me for everything and offering free return shipping my whole life will change. I know the day is coming though.
FourthLife t1_ivgsh9e wrote
How often are you asking for refunds from Amazon that that will be significant for you?
MarketMan123 t1_ivgsvh8 wrote
According to a quick search of my email, about 40 times between now and one year ago today.
13312 t1_ivawyoy wrote
yes they purposely do this to create a monopoly and then when the other options are decimated, ppl have very few alternatives
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CedgeDC t1_ivaby21 wrote
This is bullshit. Millennials own about 3% of all wealth. We don't have more money. In fact I'd say the opposite is true and if anything there's just less travel over all after 2020.
mp90 t1_ivad9qo wrote
Affording a hotel room is different than a long-term investment in real estate. Both of our statements can be true.
TypicalBiscotti629 t1_iv6of3g wrote
Airbnb costs are so ridiculous now it’s not even worth it.
It’s really only going to be used soon for vacation places and group house rentals. For 1-2 people Airbnb is a joke
VioletBureaucracy t1_iv7dp5j wrote
I travel solo a lot. For shorter trips, I prefer hotels-if it’s an early checkout or you get there early, you can leave your stuff at the front desk, use that bathroom. Get advice from the concierge. Also hotels generally have way more flexible cancelation policies. I prefer Airbnb when I am doing a longer term stay. Usually the rates go way down, and I’ll message the owner directly to negotiate. During the pandemic I rented a whole beach house off season for 6 weeks and it was way cheaper than a hotel would have been. Also-once you establish a good relationship with a host, you can usually deal with them directly and leave Airbnb out.
silentseba t1_iva35kq wrote
I always thought the point of Airbnb was for large parties or if you wanted something not offered by hotels in the area.
daslyvillian t1_iva8p0z wrote
At first it was cheaper, but now your right. Groups or not covered by hotels.
robrklyn t1_iv73i2a wrote
Back in the day, I used it as a cheaper alternative to hotels, especially because I traveled solo a lot. Now? I haven’t used it in years. I used VRBO over the summer and it was fine (VERY expensive) but I got something (a deck with a private pool) I wanted that I couldn’t find at hotels in the area. I don’t feel like dealing with the hassle and BS of air b&b, I just use hotels.
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Phaedrusnyc t1_iv8cqel wrote
If if you want an idea of what you're getting when you deal with a "host" just lurk at the subs for AirBnB and AirBnB hosts where the posts are fairly evenly divided among 1. "I'm a host and everyone who says it's gone downhill is a paid shill for the hotel industry," 2. "I'm a host and I hate the people who stay at my place because they make me work after they're gone," and 3. "I'm a 'host' who owns 30+ rental properties but seriously I'm just a little guy trying to get ahead," with the rest of them being people sharing why they will never use the service again (me included--when it was a side gig for people I was happy to throw some money their way and save a buck but now it's "their business" and "their business" only exists because the business model is to skirt common sense regulations, break laws, and exploit people).
Nothing turns you against an enterprise faster than watching unfiltered people whining about how hard their lives are when they do nothing but utilize the extra capital they have to "invest" in hoarded housing stock and pay non-union housekeepers. They're neck-and-neck with the r/landlords sub when it comes to clueless people who don't seem to understand that people can read what they write when they tell on themselves.
Of course, the article is also useful for the comments, because, predictably, the Post readership understands nothing other than "liberuls did it so they must be taking away muh liberties."
survive_los_angeles t1_ivamusi wrote
good write up, i read that sub once and now i wont do airbnb ever again
donttouchthirdrail t1_iv70mfm wrote
They should be 100% banned.
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kjuneja t1_iv9ew9y wrote
Send it to 311 everyday. Mess up their metrics.
Talk to your local political leader and community board
Nearby_Assumption_76 t1_iv8bpmc wrote
Can you send the info to the tax department? Might get attention
imherefortherudeness t1_iv7tt6g wrote
airbnb fucking awful and partially responsible for the housing price bubble
JimboSchmitterson t1_ivb2l0w wrote
I think it accounts for a couple percent. Same with the other scapegoat of foreign buyers. This just screams over regulation to me.
phoenixmatrix t1_ivdkpar wrote
Its more like making existing regulations more precise. Running a hotel in a residential building kindda shits on existing rules anyway, and they've been creatively interpreted to make it works.
GND52 t1_iv9wd1x wrote
AirBNB is a scourge only in that it shows in stark reality the cost of our housing shortage.
A healthy housing market would be able to support short term rentals like bed and breakfasts without breaking a sweat, and the added tourism revenue would be a boon for the local economy.
thebestbrian t1_iv7g9m2 wrote
Do not support Airbnb. Do not give them your money.
petseminary t1_iv77hk8 wrote
I'd love to see some incentive for guests to report violations. Like refunded stays and coverage for moving to a last-minute hotel.
DoorDashFoo t1_iv7q2b7 wrote
Airbnb fucked me and they'll fuck you too. Hard.
mowotlarx t1_iv8drzd wrote
Airbnb, like all gig economy businesses, was propped up by venture capitalists for nearly a decade to keep prices unnaturally low. Well, now that's done and a bunch of home owners sunk their time and $$ into a dying business as people realize hotels are now cheaper and with more amenities and security.
spicytoastaficionado t1_ivddd7o wrote
Yeah all these "disrupter" gig businesses survived off of VC money, sidestepping regulations, and suckering marks into going all-in.
The people who took out mortgages to finance entire homes to list on Airbnb have been finding out what a house of cards the entire business was, just like the goofs who spent all their money on luxury SUVs to try and be full-time Uber drivers.
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Grass8989 t1_iv6xajr wrote
Hotel’s are back to being trendy. It was fun while is lasted, Airbnb.
GettingPhysicl t1_iv6shxa wrote
oh hell yeah
Souperplex t1_iv79vph wrote
Good, next they should actually regulate rents.
TeamMisha t1_iv7e1xo wrote
It seems excessive to the point that they may as well have just banned Airbnb and similar sites from the city entirely, that'd be a hell of a lot easier to monitor.
CorporalDingleberry t1_ivb5ynz wrote
I never got the hype of Airbnb.
If I'm going somewhere international, one of the perks is checking local cuisine, so I don't really want to cook. I also rather be centrally located (which most hotels are) and like the idea of front desk/concierge being there if I have questions. And although I'm a guy, I imagine a hotel would be a safer option for a woman since a hotel has people there around the clock.
Domestically, I always go with hotels too. Usually just me and the GF travel anyway, and I'm never going away for more than a week. Since I stay mostly at Marriott properties, they're really flexible at check in and check out time. I like having access to a gym and pool as well. And being able to call the front desk and ask for towels and toiletries to have them delivered to your room 5 mins later is convenient. Not to mention, I can request my room be cleaned/have new linens whenever I want. It's vacation/trip, I don't want to have to do household stuff away from home.
If I ever needed to stay somewhere for an extended period, I'd do a Homewood Suites or something Marriott/Hilton offers where you can have a room with a kitchen.
I know people usually say, "Airbnbs are larger than hotel rooms." That is true, but I'm never in my hotel for an extended period of time unless I'm sleeping. The smaller quarters doesn't bother me.
If you're going with a big group of people, I guess it can make sense, but aren't there are other services to find a house to rent without the high prices and crap that comes along with Airbnb?
spicytoastaficionado t1_ivdcxyy wrote
I tend to agree with you.
Between various reward perks and just the general convenience, I am a hotel guy.
That said, what you wrote about groups was one of the things that made Airbnb surge in popularity. There have always been other services available for short-term property rentals, but Airbnb made it easier than ever, and often cheaper, to rent a party house for a weekend (before they banned parties which didn't actually stop parties).
TakeThisWizardGlick t1_iv84xjp wrote
That's probably a good thing
MarketMan123 t1_iva00da wrote
Do these rules apply to any platform that you can share your apt on or just AirBNB?
willyburgerer t1_ivafvzf wrote
FUCK AIRBNB.
Helpy___Helperton t1_ivd83pk wrote
airbnb is great because it causes the hotels to compete in terms of their pricing
Snoo-26158 t1_iv84tvv wrote
this wont make housing cheaper.
TheBeesBestKnees t1_iv9omme wrote
I work in the travel industry and have lost sales to Airbnb rentals. I always show the additional hidden costs, both tangible and non-tangible costs/time/annoyance factor) of the package I sell vs. Airbnb (travel time, parking fees at the attraction, loss of "hotel guest benefits" like early entry to attractions, cleaning fees, etc.) and financially an Airbnb can be cheaper on paper for large families, but 100% have come Bs k to me after and said the tiny savings wasn't worth it and sometimes hidden fees made it more.
GND52 t1_iv9whms wrote
This follows the rules from a few years back limiting the construction of hotels.
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Here_Her t1_iv8rww5 wrote
NY is overcrowded & extremely out of control these days. Less AirBNBs is good, idk why people even care to visit anymore
Funtownn t1_ivackxy wrote
yeah no clue why anyone would want to visit nyc…. lol
Here_Her t1_ivam5xr wrote
I’m born and raised here, it’s an absolute disgusting traumatizing mess! Driving us all insane
Funtownn t1_ivam93u wrote
sounds overly dramatic
Here_Her t1_ivammjr wrote
Have you experienced it?
Funtownn t1_ivamved wrote
I live 20 min from downtown. NYC is fine.
Here_Her t1_ivance6 wrote
Oh that’s why you’re ok with it. South Brooklyn vibes are different. Unfortunately the rest of Brooklyn is not lol
Funtownn t1_ivasa33 wrote
The point is not scaring tourists away from an otherwise amazing place because of your own personal issues/perspectives on your living situation. Best city in the world.
Here_Her t1_ivat517 wrote
If they’re scared then that’s on them lol they should be. (To any tourist reading this, reconsider or just be prepared)
However, I guess you’re unaware of all of the crime and deaths daily throughout the entire city especially MTA (which people actually depend on daily) and school parks so it’s definitely NOT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE since you’re concerned. It’s become most dangerous and we’re all hoping they could get some control.
Overall, NYC is still disgusting and traumatizing like I said…
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PlinyToTrajan t1_ivcyquk wrote
The City thinks it can solve every social problem with restrictive regulations and/or taxes.
jgalt5042 t1_iv7dpgs wrote
Why not just abolish rent control? Get rid of all non price mechanisms and let developers build. No more restrictive zoning.
PlinyToTrajan t1_ivcyzgs wrote
The most rational comment has 23 downvotes. People prefer their fantasy world of symbolic, but ineffective, policy action.
jgalt5042 t1_ivd5to1 wrote
Unfortunately people expect “free” or “cheap” not realizing that things, such as shelter, come at a very high cost.
It’s easier to say “let’s lower rents!! Yay” than let’s solve the actual problem of supply and demand. Such is life.
TwilitSky t1_iv6ln2b wrote
Anyone else find that Airbnb costs way more than a hotel 90% of the time?