Submitted by CroustiBat t3_yo7pv7 in nyc
isowater t1_ivcx1nu wrote
Reply to comment by azspeedbullet in Put some signs to discourage heavy gas mopeds on the bridges and protected bike lanes by CroustiBat
A scooter is usually slow enough to be safe in the bike lane. Definitely better than on the street. Bike lanes are for micro mobility not just for Bikes.
_Maxolotl t1_ivd1iq5 wrote
Vespa style e-scooters have 5x the motor wattage of an ebike and weigh between 2-4x as much.
Newtonian physics says they're much more dangerous than ebikes. And they can go 30+ so they can be in the car lane.
picklefluffer t1_ivd02nw wrote
If the scooter is going at bike speeds then I can see an argument for that but every time I see a scooter in the bike lane it’s going at nearly the same speed as the cars.
isowater t1_ivd1uom wrote
We have regulations for that. Anything that goes above 25mph can't go in the bike lane. Solved
froggythefish t1_ivdsnnh wrote
No motorized vehicles should be in the non-motorized vehicle lane. This includes e-scooters and gas scooters, though kick scooters are obviously fine.
thereia t1_ivd2b25 wrote
No.
isowater t1_ivd2m34 wrote
I fully support more bike lanes but if it turns into bike only elitism then you are no better than cars
thereia t1_ivd3td5 wrote
>bike only elitism
No. Scooters are MUCH HEAVIER than bikes. SO even if they are going the same speed as bikes they are DEADLY to cyclists. It has NOTHING to do with elitism and EVERYTHING to do with the law (and the laws of physics).
VTL 102-a – Definition of Bicycle Lane – A portion of the roadway which has been designated by striping, signing and pavement markings for the preferential or exclusive use of bicycles.
FarFromSane_ t1_ivd4hvh wrote
I think thread is taking about two different kinds of scooters. Kick scooter style should be (and are) allowed in the bike lane.
thereia t1_ivd54bx wrote
Was about to say I think maybe there's a language issue here.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_ivece01 wrote
The laws of phsyics are that its very dangerous for many scooters to be on bike lanes.
isowater t1_ivd47jh wrote
A scooter that is much heavier than a bike is basically a moped at that point. I've seen bikes go up to 50 pounds and any scooter past that isn't really a scooter
thereia t1_ivd5buh wrote
I think there is an issue with language here (what is a scooter vs moped). But regardless, anything bigger than a basic e-bike (a bike frame with a small motor and those long thin rectangular batteries) is no longer a bike and legally restricted from using the lane.
isowater t1_ivd6jca wrote
Agree but why make up arbitrary metrics? We have class 1,2, and 3. What you're describing is basically a class 1 ebike, which I agree is the most safe. Class 2 is a very grey area. Class 3 should definitely be banned from the lanes
bottom t1_ivd2phu wrote
Naw. It’s more dangerous for them and cyclists to be in there. Scooters etc. should position them self 2-3 seconds back from the car in from and roughly in the same position as the drivers rear tire to ensure they are seen in mirrors.
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