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NetQuarterLatte t1_ivfemmb wrote

Reply to comment by brownredgreen in Left Unmonitored In His Cell, He Etched His Suicide Note Into a Wall On Rikers Island by hau5keeping

>Let's start by providing social services, free of charge or strings, to people who need them
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>Housing reduces crime
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>Education reduces crime
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>Healthcare reduces crime
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>Job opportunities reduce crime

The above are all fair and square and shouldn't be ignored.

But you do know that violent crimes themselves increase violent crimes more than poverty, right?

Among progressives, there's more than enough advocacy for social services and economic improvements.

But there's very little attention to the principal role of criminal violence itself on perpetuating the cycle of violence, which prevent families from lifting themselves out of poverty and perpetuates disproportionally negatively outcomes for minorities/POC.

Why is that?

Edit: my reply below was moderated immediately after I edited it to included citations to academic papers (from the Psychology of Violence journal and the Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine).

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brownredgreen t1_ivfexjp wrote

Advocacy for social services doesn't equate to them being provided.

Until we HAVE those social services, that's what imma harp on.

Why isn't it what YOU are harping on?

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brownredgreen t1_ivfh12f wrote

Citation needed on it being the stronger root cause

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princessnegrita t1_ivfkc7i wrote

They’re misquoting their favorite “source”. They do it every day.

The study was not testing for poverty as a root cause of violence, poverty was a variable that they considered in relation to what they were actually testing.

The source did say that exposure to violence is a strong predictor for violent offending which is common knowledge. It did not say that being tougher on crime is a solution at all.

Honestly even the source identified in their results the effects of poverty/neighborhood disarray on violent offending and said this:

“As expected, youth who reported higher levels of ETV (exposure to violence) and more perceptions of police bias also reported higher levels of CoS (code of the street/something that they said mediates the relationship between ETV and violent offending). In addition, youth who lived in neighbor- hoods with higher levels of disorder and in counties with more poverty reported higher CoS.”

The article ends by saying we can’t just solve this issue by reacting to exposure to violence after the fact, we have to prevent the violence from happening overall.

The don’t say how in the article, but as arresting/jailing people/reinstating cash bail are all reactions to exposure to violence, I’d bet money that’s making sure there’s a social safety net to help BEFORE a crime is committed is a much better option.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_ivfihgd wrote

I edited my comment to include citations.

Edit: welp, it looks like the moderators don't really like citations.

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brownredgreen t1_ivfj0c0 wrote

Lol, blaming the mods? Classy

My gf goes to another school bro, you wouldn't know her.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_ivfkzvv wrote

I DM you the citations, if you honesty actually care about it.

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brownredgreen t1_ivfntm8 wrote

Public forum. Gimme a public answer. I don't want you in my DMs.

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brownredgreen t1_ivg49ou wrote

Buddy, I told you I do not want you in my DMs.

So what do you do? You DM me.

Fuck off.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_ivg7t6g wrote

I had DM you after you requested citation, but hours before you told me here you didn't want a DM.

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