Submitted by AutoModerator t3_z7kop2 in nyc
As a result of this recent post, r/nyc is going to try having a weekly crime thread throughout the month of November. This is a test that will end on December 1. All links submitted that relate to crime must be contained within this thread. Links that are about crime outside of this thread will be removed by the mod team, and OP will be asked to share the link in this thread instead.
Please keep discussions civil.
I get not inundating the sub with every single Incident of crime, but maybe allow some of the more serious crime stories to be posted on the main sub instead of just having them in the weekly crime thread. NYC isn’t a lawless crime ridden city that some people say it is, but it certainly does have its issues that need to be worked on.
Last week’s thread and Last fortnight’s thread for those who missed out on anything newsworthy (YMMV), wanted to catch up on conversations, complaints/praises, and anything in between.
Happy Tuesday, and hopefully you all make great use of this thread for this week & remaining days of this trial. In advance, may December be a great month for you all as 2022 draws to a close.
I've enjoyed these weekly crime threads. It feels like the sub isn't getting bombarded by crime stories now. There's a bit more variety in the day to day posts. And I don't have to keep seeing a rehash of the same arguments.
No, crime posts can be posted on the regular subreddit and people can downvote them if they don't like them.
The sub is better when the entire front page isn’t dominated by New York Post crime stories.
There are instances where individual threads should be allowed, like when there’s a different angle involved other than crime such as corruption by a public official. But the single thread definitely helps contain some of the clear brigading that happens overall.
During the experiment there was not enough clarity on what constitutes a “crime” post (a statement from the mayor about public safety? A news article about a suspect on the loose? A long-form article about a recently solved cold case? A recent traffic violation caught on camera? A violent felony caught on camera? An article about a proposed or past crime related legislation? …)
Because despite claims to the contrary, in practice that often resulted in confusion and disparate mod decisions.
Such lack of clear expectations is also at odds with Rule 2 in https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct
Point to the brigadiers. Please explain who is brigading. You've made the accusation so many time with literally no evidence. Assuming that it does happen, explain why it's limited exclusively to people that disagree with you politically.
Thank you! I prefer vigilantism, baseless accusations, etc. to be consolidated in one sub so reddit can find that guy who's being mean to dogs in the subway. 🙄
People that don’t live in NYC love to post about crime in NYC.
Probably because that viewpoint is not shared by the vast majority of people who actually live in New York City.
Also wouldn’t have to look too far to find a brigader.
I don’t really care one way or the other about whether crime posts are stuck in a weekly thread. But there needs to be a clear standard for what a post that “relates to crime” is. There will always be examples that are on the margins and require mods to use judgment. But it is not at all difficult to sketch out a basic standard, i.e., “articles whose main focus is a specific crime,” and illustrations of what is and is not an article that “relates to crime” for these purposes. If that isn’t done, then all crime posts should be allowed on the main sub.
Example: would a story about the guy who shot up the subway several months ago be relegated to the crime thread? If not, what’s the rationale? Just that the mods think it’s an “important” story? That’s not a great standard.
There are certainly some people who post here who don’t live in the city and who get their kicks shitting on NYC with tales of the urban apocalypse. But at the same time, “the vast majority of people who actually live in NYC” are not on Reddit. And NYC voters elected Eric Adams Mayor on a tough-on-crime message. So I would disagree that most people don’t think crime is a serious problem in NYC. Just because you think they’re stupid doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Adams barely won the primary though and the alternative in the general was Curtis Sliwa.
Even if the vast majority of people who live in the city aren’t on Reddit, one would think that the subreddits views would be somewhat representative of that population if it consisted of people who actually live here. And yet here we are.
What’s an example of a “more serious” crime and why is it more serious than others?
The point is that “the vast majority” of NYC voters did not think Adams’ message that crime was a serious problem was inaccurate.
If your point is that most young white online male voters in NYC disagreed with Adams’ message, and this sub is mostly populated by young white men, and so the focus on crime here is not what one would expect from a group of young white online men who live in NYC, then you probably have a point.
That’s also not true considering, again, he barely won the primary.
You gotta be a complete fraud to approve 12,000 overtime hours so more NYPD pension scammers can chill in the subway.
>group of young white online men
Only a group of young white online men would think that reddit is only populated by other young white online men – assumptions cut both ways homie
The subreddit is much more tolerable and overall far less negative since containing crime posts. It definitely feels like there is much less bickering in the comments and we can see actual content shine.
I don’t say “only.”
Reddit’s biggest group of users are young white men.
Please keep it going. If people want an all-crime-all-the-time sub let them go to r/crimeinNYC.
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Weird cause most polls showed crime was the number one concern for new yorkers. If youre judging views on reddit, well youre making a terrible mistake because reddit is mostly a progressive circlejerk. You can probably go to a red city sub and find it infested with barely any republicans.
Lol so what? I read and understood all of your words.
Is this sub's biggest group of user young white men? Are you and I both young white men? Does numerical majority equal distribution of impact?
Neither of us know any of this – Reddit is a dark forest and that is the logical assumption for all interactions.
75%. 75% of city residents were polled and said crime is a major issue. You are so delusional.
I don’t think you did understand my words if you think that pointing out that it’s not true that “Reddit is only populated by young white online men” is refuting anything I wrote.
Yes, it’s very likely that this sub’s biggest user group is young white men. That would be consistent with the survey data about Reddit’s overall demographics.
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75% of city residents were not polled on that, what are you even talking about?
Presumably he’s talking about a poll of a random sample of city residents, 75% of whom said crime was a major issue for them.
Was that one of the same polls that showed Zeldin winning?
I don’t know. Look it up.
Apparently cars blocking bike lanes are pretty serious crimes since those posts are consistently allowed.
The stickied thread is a big improvement IMO and should be continued going forward.
If this is going to continue, there needs to be clear cut rules on what can be delegated to here. For example, this post was delegated to the crime thread by one mod, which really made no sense as it wasn’t an article about a specific crime, and was later allowed by another mod to be approved and posted.
I see the mod who locked that thread also deleted their post sooo.
Agree the rule needs to be better articulated but this isn’t it.
> A guideline is, is mainstream, reputable news (e.g. NYT, WSJ, etc) covering it,
Lol if you mean “don’t allow Post stories” just say it.
> and/or is it part of a multi-day news cycle.
So we get posts about the same crime over and over because they keep appearing in the news?
I was able to figure that out with my brilliant deductive powers.
This one right here chief, which I've posted liberally before and I'm pretty positive you've seen. But sure, try to downplay it: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-nyc-crime-poll-ny1-siena-college-20220607-7f3g7yxtqnawhflxuuapf5s4ue-story.html
Had to spell it out for our friend.
His response will be “but Adams barely won the primary.”
So propose a better rule. We can shit on ideas all day. Allow me the chance to poke holes in yours.
I’m not sure there should be a rule in the first place.
Edit: I would think the trick is to separate quotidian crime reports that are essentially one-off events from stories that are more significant. So the buckets could be:
>Rule: articles whose main subject matter is the commission of specific crimes should be posted in the crime thread.
>Exceptions:
>* articles about corruption by public officials.
>* “meta-crime” articles about responses to specific crimes. For example, statements by politicians in response to specific crimes. Or analysis/discussion of crime trends.
>* articles about crimes that are of extraordinary significance to the city as a whole. For example, the attempted subway mass-shooter. Or a story about a terrorist attack or an attempted terrorist attack. This exception would require the judicious use of mod discretion.
>Possibly other exceptions.
One concern is the constant tug of war here between habitual crime-posters and habitual “fuck the police” posters. If posts about crime are banned because they give the impression that the city is a hellhole, it would be a shame if the sub continues to get spammed with stories about alleged police misconduct. This isn’t to say that police misconduct doesn’t happen. But crime happens, too. And allowing anti-police posts while banning crime posts seems like putting a thumb on the scale of an ongoing debate about policing and public safety. But that may be unavoidable if we’re banning crime posts.
Just some off the cuff thoughts.
>Probably because that viewpoint is not shared by the vast majority of people who actually live in New York City.
Most people in NYC do care about public safety, and the redditors in this sub also upvoted many crime submissions to the top.
Many people don't want to believe other new yorkers care about public safety because they want to deny parts of the reality that they feel are inconvenient to their political biases.
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Just like we have r/Micromobilitynyc , everyone concerned about issues related to micromobility should only discuss it there. Yet that sub is consistently cross-posted here
Younger male and liberal is the majority on Reddit. That alone would already skew the sub towards a population that feels less vulnerable or do not worry as much about public safety.
The fact that so many lack the empathy to understand the reality of others is probably related to something else, though. Because I know many young liberal men who have a lot of empathy.
>About seven-in-ten (71%) of Reddit news users are men, 59% are between the ages of 18 and 29, and 47% identify as liberal, while only 13% are conservative (39% say they are moderate).
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>In comparison, among all U.S. adults, about half (49%) are men, just 22% are 18- to 29-year-olds and about a quarter (24%) say they are liberal.
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I would ban all those—Pazienza, Duck Sauce, Michelle Go, Majors—because they were all one-off crimes and weren’t mass attacks. I don’t like the idea of mods deciding that crimes are important because of the race of the attacker or the victim. Too much discretion there and it would yield too many inconsistent results that would undermine confidence that the rule is being applied fairly. One rule for all stories reporting on specific crimes unless there are truly extraordinary circumstances that make it an issue for the whole city.
I don’t like a rule that privileges certain sources over other sources. Too many arguments about what’s reputable and what isn’t.
Those are my views anyway. And I still don’t know if it makes sense to cordon off crime posts in the first place.
He “Barely won the primary”. Yet low income PoC overwhelmingly voted for him and pushed him over the edge. The same communities that people on here pretend to champion for and claim “aren’t concerned about crime” and vehemently hate the police.
This is probably the most reasonable argument for not banning crime posts.
I actually whole-heartedly agree.
Just like, in theory, this sub has rules against questions ("Questions go in r/AskNYC, the Monthly Discussion Thread or on r/nyc's Discord") and photos ("Photos of NYC belong in r/nycPICS. Mods will remove photos that are uninteresting, of poor quality or commonly seen compositions. Please use r/nychistory for historic photos, r/nycmaps for maps, r/nycrail for pics of trains or subways and r/FoodNYC for food-related pics. All pics that relate to weather, season, tourist attractions, views, nature, etc. belong in r/nycpics.")
There already is a bike sub, and this sub doesn't need a daily dose of bike lane obstruction pictures. But I feel like this will never happen considering that the Mods don't even strictly enforce the rules against no questions or photos.
I think the new weekly crime thread is wonderful, and should be expanded.
There are multiple posts every week that are just pictures of obscured license plates. These posts do not encourage new or vibrant discussion, just repeating the same echo chamber comments. And at the end of the day, obscuring a license plate is a crime.
Let's also include articles about legislative and executive actions to combat crime unless they're genuinely newsworthy. A fresh article about Mayor Adams pushing for more involuntary commitments is one thing. Articles repeating stale talking points about cops in the subway or how officials are "ignoring" crime can GTFO.
Agreed, it’s a slippery slope and needs to enforced across the board or not at all. There’s clear bias if that’s not how it’s handled.
This has massively improved this subreddit. Instead of an incessant set of posts on exactly the same topic there's some variety in the top posts.
I'd really like to thank the mods for putting this thread in place.
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The mods do have a bias for threads that make the city look good. People post stuff like "I got scammed" and "i got harassed on the subway" and the posts get removed, but then you get "I love your city" and the thread stays.
Keep it. The subreddit is far better overall. It also made it clear that a handful accounts will do nothing but post crime stories, crime comments all day.
Keep the weekly thread. It’s an overall improvement.
The crime posts were overwhelming. And the amount race-baiting, dog whistle comments on the stories made them toxic.
It’s clear that people were using the posts to push a narrative. That’s why it’s always inflammatory & misleading NY Post articles being posted.
And people obscuring or faking license plates.
We shouldn’t allow posts about alleged misconduct by cops or city employees either because that’s pushing a “narrative”, as well then.
"No no, only the thing I don't like have an agenda behind them."
/s
We are aware you prefer to have everything in one place you can ignore.
They don't have one. Before the election it was "You will all disappear after the election, and so will these posts". Now that they haven't we're 'brigading'. Talk about bad faith arguments, smh.
These people have never once knocked on a door in NYCHA, for example, and have never talked to lifetime residents of low income neighborhoods. Trust that the law abiding folks in those communities want to feel safe.
You cannot undermine crime as the main concern. It's exactly why Garcia did fall short. That's the point. Crime was the #1 issue people were voting on.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/16/nyc-democratic-voters-say-safety-is-top-concern-in-new-mayoral-poll/
>It’s clear that people were using the posts to push a narrative.
You can say the same thing about the many posts downplaying crime, along with most of the political posts.
Yeah, when people said they wanted more cops in the subways, I don't think they meant groups of 3 NYPD hanging out by the entrance looking for turnstile jumpers.
>helps contain some of the clear brigading that happens overall.
What is your standard for what is and isn't brigading?
This has become a lazy, catch-all on Reddit that people use to complain about posts they disagree with.
If you think threads about subway shovings being very popular is because of "brigading" and not because most of us ride the trains almost every day, I don't know what to tell you.
So stories of violent crime have to be posted here, but blurry photos of license plate obstructions are fine to be posted as standalone threads?
I like the megathread idea in general since we don't need a new thread every time the Post publishes a story about some junkie stealing a garbage bag full of deodorant from Duane Reade, but there needs to be a clear standard for what goes here and what gets its own thread.
You can't force the horse to drink.
Apparently the crime of license plate obstruction is worthy of its own thread, but stories involving murder are relegated here.
And people who don't take the subway regularly and haven't been in a pharmacy in months (where everything is now locked up) love to deny the reality of the city's problems.
Agreed. Thats democracy. Problem is, not many people actually like that.
Crime posts should be moved back to the main. No one even got to vote on this 'experiment' before it was implemented... i.e., it doesn't matter what any of us think, you mods have already made up your minds. I don't even know why you're asking for feedback, frankly.
I take the subway every day. I shop in pharmacies every day. Stay scared, loser. Keep blaming poor people instead of the policies that led us here.
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Hahaha the subways got you SHOOK! Woweeeeee
Nah, but I do happen to care about vulnerable people, on both side of the issue. I guess you don't :( sad times, frankie no care about other people, only fake caring about homeless mentally ill people without actually getting them any help, oo la la.
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Crime story happened in Yonkers (rule 5, non NYC related). Best to share on r/Yonkers / r/Westchester instead.
It's only democracy if NYC residents are the ones allowed to upvote or downvote. And we know that's not what was happening.
Yes I like the rule of law not the rule of reddit
You don't know to what extent non-nyc residents are up or down voting things, that's impossible to determine. I'd be all for vetting residents, as someone has challenged my residency simply bc they don't like my views. It'd be nice, but it will likely never happen.
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This thread will no longer be sticked on Thursday. Please leave your thoughts/comments/feedback in this thread about the Weekly Crime Thread trial and whether it should be continued on an ongoing basis or not.