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Should do the redistricted map vs our house losses in NY, We lost areas we purposely redistrict to be in our favor.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/new-york/

Maybe.. I don’t know…. People don’t feel safe in the city and the brass is not tweaking bail reform to help lock up the violent and repeat offenders.

The state party is really incompetent

Democrats are losing their grip on the Asian vote

That’s the Cuomo effect in 2018. Italian-American NYers are conservative unless there’s a Cuomo on the ballot.

2018- Trump is president. Enthusiastic democrats.

2022- Biden is president. Enthusiastic republicans

It’s all cyclical. Everyone knows this.

Obviously whenever a president of a political party opposite of your is elected, you can expect higher voter turnout of supporters backing the opposite political party, especially in the midterms

Staten island is a dump!

For real or is that a guess?

I know lots of Asians. Not a Republican among them.

In a tough year for Dems due to economic headwinds, the Trumpsters blew it. Maybe next time the GOP will field real candidates.

Only the people who live there.

Here's a more detailed map broken down by election district: https://projects.thecity.nyc/zeldin-hochul-election-voter-turnout-nyc/

Heavily Asian neighborhoods moved more republican, though it’s inconsistent. Chinatown seemed to get more blue, sunset park barely budged, but Bensonhurst and flushing swung the other way.

Def movement though not uniform

Go look at the map. Zeldin managed to carry the Asian enclaves in Queens.

I need to do more research here but it seems like the neighborhoods most affected by increased crime (Cyprus hill for example) moved more blue. I don’t know if the opposite correlate is true, did the neighborhoods with less increase in crime move more red?

I know lots of Asians. Only one of them lives in Queens. And she didn’t vote for Zeldin.

So depressing

This map also compares voter turnout in 2018 vs 2022. It shows turnout was generally lower among areas that favored Hochul, but went up in areas that went for Zeldin (SI, the Orthodox Jew neighborhoods)

This person speaks for all asians of NYC. Thank you representative for your extremely small anecdotal sample set.

Very detailed and the pastel shades make the map look so artistic!

Probably cause dems been doing absolutely jackshit for NY and NYC. Cant even drive around without fear of blowing a rim since tax money just goes into pockets.

Most of the Asians especially Chinese dgaf, voting is just a hassle it doesn't change shit for them.

You know what? You’re right. Absolutely right. All Asians live in Queens. There are no other races allowed there. Only Asians. Clearly Asians now hate democrats. You’re not trying to polish the turd of a campaign Lee Zeldin ran by pretending he won over the hearts and minds of an entire racial group at all based on a red section of a map. No sir. You’re right. Asians love Republicans now. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Lol fuck both republicans and democrats. Both are pure garbage. I’m not trying to polish anything, just pointing out how your anecdote means nothing. No need to get all weird and dramatic.

I dont even think its a party thing I think it's a Cuomo thing

Economic headwinds. Their are 2 jobs for every person looking for a job. Unemployment is at a 50 year low. The democrats solved Unemployment. They are just so dumb they can't take a win that they created.

What do you stand for? Do you really see no difference between the parties? Hell. Vote Green. Or Libertarian. Or be a communist. Because I assure you, there’s a gigantic difference between the parties if you take the time to look into it.

Cuomo was a very effective politician.

It wasn’t the Asians in Queens voting for Zeldin. It was all the Eastern Europeans (Polish) voters in Maspeth, Ridgewood, Rego Park…

Asian communities are pretty split with political leanings. Always have been. Younger tend to be more liberal due to being less religious. I personally haven’t met anyone (20s-40s Asian-Americans) who voted for Zeldin but I’m not surrounded by religious people. We’re aware democrats don’t do much for Asian hate crimes but trumpie republicans would definitely do more harm than good for the Asian communities. We’re voting for a bandaid at this point. It’s become very depressing

And here we thought New York will always been a Democratic state.

Yup basically

Midterm results usually favor whatever party the current President doesn't belong to.

This comment is correct. Plus Trump was particularly polarizing which drove even more voters to the polls. The article even states this. To compare the two and make assumptions about Hochul or the Democratic Party is unfair. Yes, there are issues with the dem machine in New York, But this is all about minority party enthusiasm and turnout.

Sure, agreed in conventional wisdom. But NYS Dems underperformed compared to how the rest of the country's Dems did bar Florida.

It's only NYC that makes it so.

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I'm almost on the idea NYC should be its own state.

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.... except Long Island.

i like your gif design

While not incorrect at all, there are other factors that I think are still worth taking into account. But this is probably the biggest factor.

Why? Pretty much every blue state is blue because of its blue cities, and pretty much every red state is red because there are more rural voters who overpower any blue cities in the state. New Orleans is a blue city in a very red state for example. Should we just split every city from their states? Also Long Island isn’t NYC lmao

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> I personally haven’t met anyone (20s-40s Asian-Americans) who voted for Zeldin

I wish I could say the same, but I don't think anyone should be surprised. I definitely got into some heated discussions with friends. The type of crimes Asians have faced over the past two years swung a lot (especially older) Asians towards law-and-order politics. The older Asians who I know went to Zeldin were single issue voters.

> Younger tend to be more liberal due to being less religious

I don't think religion completely explains political leanings - my parents are semi-religious and they're both Democrats - but they are most definitely not AOC Democrats. A lot of Asian cultures (at least East Asian) follow more socially conservative customs that align closer to the GOP than Dems. Younger people across all races and genders are more liberal in general and tend to become more conservative as they age.

> We’re voting for a bandaid at this point. It’s become very depressing

Yup. Pretty much rolled my eyes and held my nose when bubbling Hochul's name in. I probably could've been convinced to vote in a Bloomberg-type Republican but the entire GOP has been taken over by the malignant tumor known a Trumpism.

This doesn’t exactly check out if you look at Schumer’s percentages. He won by a much larger margin then Hochul did. This is trademark ticket splitting where it appears there were a good amount of Schumer-Zeldin voters. We’ll have to wait for exit polls for a better reason why this occurred, but I’d bet the rhetoric on crime played a big factor.

I’m thinking of those ultra religious Korean Christian nutjobs who vote solely because they hate gay people. They’re very much single-issue voters (but not on issues that affect them, just issues like gay marriage 😒) and I know there are several super religious Asian communities who vote red and always have. Obviously it’s not most and it’s not all but they are a loud minority and in Asian communities, they do have lot of influence because of insularity and solidarity. The Asian hate crimes were a big factor this year and very understandable. But I didn’t really see any politician running on that. Hate crimes have to be handled rather differently than general crime but that’s a more nuanced topic.

I’m speaking anecdotally but to me, it really seems like the younger Asians have more political knowledge than our immigrant parents and won’t vote for a Trumper who will end up doing more harm for our community. Of course, it is super frustrating when voting for larger tickets like governer, nyc mayor, etc but I’m seeing a bigger effort to get Asian people in political positions in nearby suburbs that have large Asian communities. I am hopeful of the future that our voices will have more political power. We do need to get more involved as this is where we live and it matters more than ever. There won’t be change for us if theres no one in office who understands us. Damn every election now feels stressful as hell 😂 it’s like voting for brainless shills vs rabid psychopaths.

Cuomo and Zeldin can f off to the sun. Both men couldn't leave women alone.

The democrats are “soft on crime” message was extremely effective in the Asian community

You don’t win or are even competitive in Flushing without a decent share of the Asian vote

That’s normally true but a lot of my family and friends went out of their way specifically to vote for zeldin. I don’t think they have ever voted before and most of them voted for him over the issue of crime and safety

Not that I speak for all Asians, but I have a lot of Asian friends in the city and while they are younger and typically vote blue, their parents are quite often single issue voters that vote Republican/for Zeldin because they feel that Democrats don't care enough about Asians and addressing Asian hate crimes. For example, I know many parents of friends who live in south Brooklyn (bensonhurst, bay ridge, dyker heights) who've voted for Maliotakis because she has been quite vocal regarding being tough on crime, specifically Asian hate. I dont believe Republicans would be better for Asians than Democrats, but I do believe Democratic leaders continuously have shown they just don't really care. I'm just trying to give insight into how Asians in NYC think when it comes to voting, especially the older ones.

Cuomo at least had gravitas. He was a New Yorker like Zeldin. Hochul is an upstate Wal Mart mom with the personality of a crusty dishrag.

The Bronx went from Dark blue to light blue too...

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Could anybody explain why Long Island and Staten Island are so republican? Just a curious foreign.

Why. Looks better. One party rule is depressing

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My guy, worry about yourself. I grew up in NY, lived in NYC for 10 years. But also lived in Florida, TX and California. I’ve seen the good and bad on both sides and hate both the politicians and their die hard supporters. Politicians dont give a single fuck about you, regardless of “side.”

Your replies are bizarre are you in like middle school

Hochul's campaign was as inspiring as a wet paper towel

....sigh.

Inflation. Tech. Housing Market. Economic Headwinds.

I agree with all this, having Korean Catholic parents. Thankfully religion and bigotry died with them. Luckily all of my siblings and I pro choice, for gay rights, etc. I have even more hope for the younger gen.

But their parents might be.

We should be - then the rest of NYS will be begging us for all the money we give the rest of you. And LI isn’t part of NYC.

What would republicans have done different?

I would have voted R if Zeldin was not a nut case. I hate Hochul.

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We shall see. If banning abortion becomes possible because republicans now have majority and they don’t have to pretend that they are not a monolith then we’ll know how depressing this is. That’s my concern anyway.

Alright, as a member of the Chinese community, here’s my two cents.

The young, liberal Asian are definitely extremely left leaning. They’re usually going to vote blue all the way down to see liberal policies enacted. It’s very disappointing to see governments ignore the needs of Asians, but it’s kinda choosing the lesser of two evils (by far) even if one is campaigning lies that appease Asians. Of course, there’s some outliers, but the majority of us/everyone I talked to leans this way, albeit we suffer from the same issue of political apathy of the younger generation that’s slowly being rectified.

For the older generation, here’s why they lean heavily conservative, more than what the media seems to understand:

1. Taxes are a big issue and lot of people believe republicans = lower taxes. Not sure why, and I argue with my family all of the time.

2. There’s also crime that’s a concern and the fearmongering/republican campaign strategy definitely might’ve swayed a Chinese dominant South Brooklyn to vote more republican.

3. Also, SHSAT is another thing republicans has used to get the Chinese vote. They want to keep it there because it’s benefited the community.

4. Chinese community… is pretty racist and anti-LGBQT. They really just don’t care about the republican’s hate speech.

5. Rampant fake news throughout the community. Chinese news outlets lean heavily conservative, and the WeChat are constantly circling fake news that are geared to get conservative votes.

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Midterm elections are always a referendum on the president in power. 2018 the midterms went very blue in response to Trump. This year it’s redder in Response to Biden. This stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

Ironically, because states like Florida and Texas can gerrymander their districts and California and NY can’t, it’s very possible Dems are losing the house specifically because we’re fairer to voters than most red states.

I bet most people on this sub couldn’t tell me who Schumer’s opponent was without looking it up. It was a very different race.

2018 was a midterm after a Dem presidential loss, which is usually more of a "wave" than a midterm after a presidential win. This bears out historically.

It’s a mixed bag. Dems didn’t solve unemployment just like Biden didn’t cause inflation. It simply doesn’t work that way.

Yes but a "decent share" wasn't where the goalposts were here

You’re missing my point. What kind of society do you think we should be? Do you think everyone should have a gun, even teachers? Then vote Republican. Are you concerned about the environment? Then vote Democrat. Stop and frisk? Abortion? Sure politicians are a bunch of self-serving fuckheads. They have to be. It takes that type of personality to get elected. But it does matter who you vote for when you look at the issues.

> I dont believe Republicans would be better for Asians than Democrats, but I do believe Democratic leaders continuously have shown they just don't really care

Yup. I want to know how you're going to make it safer for my parents to get to work tomorrow. Not 5 years from now, not 10 years from now, not one generation from now. To the uninterested observer, Republicans are campaigning on that issue directly. Lots of liberals just babble about "root causes" and "long term solutions" - that does absolutely nothing for Asians who are in fear stabbed, beat, and shoved in front of trains today.

For some reason it is incredibly hard for Democrats to get that through their thick skulls and they will continue to bleed votes until they understand that. One side is talking about how they willl address crime now, the other side prefers to get into a whole academic discussion about structural issues. The average working class voter does not give a rats ass about the academic BS.

No no, I'm pretty sure it's my copium-fueled narrative about how conservatives successfully tricked convinced Asian NYers to voter for them.

If Cuomo ran as a Republican Candidate, he would've won easily

None of these politicians represent me. Both sides are way too extreme. I don’t care for guns, and I’m sick of getting fucked on high taxes and costs. I am extremely pro lgbtq but also think trans women shouldn’t be competing against regular women in sports. I think most immigrants are some of the nicest, hardworking, and family oriented people I’ve ever met, but I don’t think we should just let in millions of people. Legalize weed and mushrooms, make addiction a mental issue and not a legal one. PRO CHOICE, but after like 15 weeks its a bit much. Go back to hard on crime, but also hold officers 100% accountable for their actions. Cut all the virtue signaling bullshit, and stop censoring people for holding different opinions.

You find me a candidate that aligns with those views and I’m interested. Otherwise the rest are extremist clowns.

>We’re aware democrats don’t do much for Asian hate crimes but trumpie republicans would definitely do more harm than good for the Asian communities.

I am a liberal and call me ignorant, but historically speaking, it was Republicans who successfully lowered crime in the city after the surges, even if through questionable means? Or am I missing something?

Cuomo was a DINO.

Cuomo was a Democrat In Name Only so it wasn’t much of a reach for conservatives to vote for him.

Crime went down across the country starting in the 90s, so it’s not the case that it was solely due to R policies. Also the lowest crime rates ever in NYC were during DeBlasio. Was it his doing? Probably not (or at least not in large part).

Wanna bet that the fake news is all coming from the mainland?

Italian Americans

This. She inherited the governorship and nomination. She’s very uninspiring.

It was a trump thing. Nothing riled up voters to get out and do something like a trump presidency,

I lived on Central Park South for a big chunk of his presidency, right between 2 buildings of his that attracted attention (the hotel on Columbus circle and trump tower) people forget how many protests there were between those 2 buildings. I would hear a protest/march at least 2x a week

OP should have compared to 2010 after 2 years of Obama

Well there would be no infrastructure spending at all so you’d definitely blow a rim

I don’t think it’s because Democrats don’t care. I think that in NYC they are beholden to a small vocal group who are full defund everyday and treat any criticism of that as proof that you’re fascist. I’m not even kidding, I met someone once who left snacks in her car for people who break in to rob her so they weren’t hungry after they broke in. However, they still have to publicly act blasé or talk about “root causes” and not action because otherwise they may lose their primary

As late as 2018 Cuomo was not yet thought of as the COMPLETE abomination we now see him as… He was the governor who helped to push through marriage equality, he was our first multi-term democratic governor since Mario Cuomo, but above all he talked tough to Trump, the NRA, and De Blasio all at the same time. It’s easy to forget that for a good chunk of his tenure as governor people referred to themselves as “Cuomosexuals.”

Personally I always found him to be a slimeball, albeit a slimeball who was very adept at politics until he wasn’t.

Some districts are still under 80% reported, this is a little early

> OP should have compared to 2010 after 2 years of Obama

This is the way

I have not studied or have worked in a position close to politics, but in my opinion, it seems that Democrats take the Asian vote for granted and automatically assume they will have it due to historical turnout. Additionally, Asians are a smaller minority group compared to other minority groups which makes adding Asian issues as a focal point to anyone's campaign not as "sexy" or popular compared to other big issues like abortion or other civil rights pertaining to other groups. Republicans at least virtue signal -- not that this is any better. It's a shame to hear Democratic leaders just continuously not give a shit about Asians. Your story is very common among Asians, especially those in NYC. My parents were and are scared shitless to take the train and have avoided the mta since covid started, luckily they can wfh otherwise they would be rightfully stressed to the moon every day. Same story for many of the older Asians I know too.

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Yup. He had an advantage with meatheads who live in suburban zoned areas of the city because he's a meathead from a suburban zoned area of the city.

Cuomo won by a huge margin. Hochul won by a smaller but still comfortable margin. So she's safe, and she's also got a base of support that's further left and less enthusiastic about the status quo.

That means she has an opportunity to change more things about NY than Cuomo could (or wanted to).

Which is more effective, the one who wins elections by a larger margin, or the one who has more of an effect while in office?

Republicans are tougher on crime and there’s a completely useless asian hate crime part of the nypd who don’t give half a shit about what happens to asian people. You can get picked out in a crowd of other non asian people, swung on without provocation, stand there bruised and bleeding and the nypd officer will ask “what makes you think this is an asian hate crime?” over and over and do whatever they can to downplay the situation so they don’t have to file a report.

Josh Shapiro won by more than double the percentage Hochul did in a Biden +1 state. Look at Whitmer, Evers and Tim Walz as well.

This is not the reason NY Dems blew it.

Can confirm my italian-american father from Long Island loved Cuomo and he's a true independent voter.

Of course is a BS but that did not stop the Republicans from controlling the narrative that its Bidens fault. The democrats response was I have no idea. They should at least celebrate and promote the good things.

Typical democrats always finding the worst points in every situation enstead of the best ones.

Not challenging this but I've seen this phrase pop up ever since Trump started using RINO and it honestly just doesn't feel like it carries the illuminating bite that "Crypto-Republican" does.

The last majority white working class neighborhoods.

Get ready for most of NY to be dominated by conservatives in 12years.

Isn't this good? The election showed that one way of thinking isn't in everyone's interest. Instead of despairing maybe become a better govement? Just because some of us are more conservative doesn't mean we're monsters.

Diversity of though and experiences. All that stuff that folks pretend to value.

This is the effect of gerrymandering.

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Not a lot of Chinese people live in China town anymore

"DINO" and especially "RINO" have been around and popular since waaaaaay before trump got into politics.

This is a good thing. New York is too one-sided politically. We need more balance, ideally without MAGA loonies.

Controversial question: how would’ve this election look if Cuomo finished his term?

At the very least it has seen a resurgence. It became far more popular than it was after his usage.

What campaign?

The first time I saw the guy's name was when I looked at the ballot.

Just tell her to do all that without all the corruption stories I been hearing about her. I don't like corruption.

Yeah, but people liked him overall minus the scandals, whether you believed it or not.

I like his brother.. lol

I was fine with Cuomo and his outsized ego until he ran off Andy Byford by micro-managing him to the point he couldn't do his job. I'll never forgive him for that.

Yikes!

Train Daddy was the best thing to happen to the MTA in over 50 years.

Oh yeah! I wondered what happened with that! I remember the days of being trapped in a tunnel for like a half an hour or more and it was regular.

> Should do the redistricted map vs our house losses in NY, We lost areas we purposely redistrict to be in our favor.

So gerrymandering is only an abhorrent abuse of civil rights when the other team does it?

Did you not see the final approved map? it was still in our favor. Based on the results in NY...even if we got the map we wanted, we would have still lost those races. The down ballot crush was real. That's the reason why NY cause the Dems to lose the House but instead of blaming the Gov, we deflect to redistricting when the Gov deserves much blame for what happen. These are areas that Biden and past Dems carried and won in comfy margins. That margin was absent due to dislike of Gov.