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UniWheel t1_ix9atb7 wrote

Reply to comment by gamelord12 in Street safety advocate hit by car while biking to NYC memorial for crash victims by Miser

>Taking some space away from cars and giving it to bikes is an improvement to our transportation infrastructre.

It would be if that worked, but it doesn't.

Notoriously obstructed and dangerously misrouted NYC bike lanes make for a truly terrible cycling experience, because they start from a fundamental misunderstanding of the ways that people making meaningful trips by bike are distinct - and more importantly, are NOT distinct from other road uses.

Also they completely forget that electrified things not only exist, but are often the fastest movement elements of traffic in Manhattan, forced into a layout mis-positioned relative to turning traffic in a way that makes it completely unworkable at even 10 mph.

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gamelord12 t1_ix9b2xh wrote

They come in many shapes and sizes, but incrementally, they're trending in the right direction. I'm not sure why the DOT introduces lesser bike lanes as a stopgap instead of doing it right the first time, but their annual updates do acknowledge that an interim lesser bike lane is better than not doing one at all, as it introduces more natural traffic calming.

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rainzer t1_ix9m4o8 wrote

> It would be if that worked, but it doesn't.

So because NYC did it wrong initially, your logic is that we should never do it again ever.

Your logic is so pants on head stupid you'd get hit by a parked bus

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UniWheel t1_ix9xbf9 wrote

>So because NYC did it wrong initially,

There's no "initially" - they're still doing it wrong.

When you realize that much of the time the fastest moving element of manhattan traffic is the electric delivery "bikes", trying to put them in narrow mis-positioned lanes makes no sense at all - doubly so when those lanes double as the private parking for city employees and the pedestrian congestion overflow.

Especially if you believe as most advocates do that electric is the future, then you have to stop thinking of these smaller than car things as exceptions to traffic, and start working with the reality that their volume already requires being able to use all of the street space for non-car transit.

That requires dropping the pipe dream of segregation and getting back to the world or reality where all road users have to cooperate - a fact that the "bike lanes" fail to remove anyway, since the two modes have to cross paths at intersections regardless, and when the "bikes" are typically moving faster than the cars, you really really, don't want them trying to do that from the wrong lane.

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