Submitted by alexd231232 t3_yrwt7j in nyc
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xoxofeebzz t1_ivwkpx7 wrote
Very scary as a pedestrian around there, drivers are so reckless and unpredictable
-wnr- t1_ivxzxij wrote
As someone who has to suffer driving through there occasionally, it sucks for drivers too. The problem is the traffic flow there is way too complex. There's frequent congestion, you're constantly dealing with lane changes, merges, and tight turns. Throw in pedestrians, bike traffic, and the occasional moped. There can be a lot going on at once to divide ones attention.
scottscout t1_ivyy3ed wrote
Cyclone of autos
ReadItUser42069365 t1_ivyhd0n wrote
Can confirm as biker and car driver. I have driven through there exactly once and thought there was a light in the middle so basically stopped in front of the park entrance and then realized cars were coming so just crept up to the actual red light area. My had just a smooth brain, b12 deficient legume guy
WaterMySucculents t1_ivzywtt wrote
I did that once and got pulled over for running a red light. There’s crosswalks that are the width of like 6 car lengths and it makes no sense. Especially on the park side of it. On the other sides it’s easy enough to figure out.
But I have no idea where this traffic will be rerouted to, it connects 2 sides of Flatbush Ave, Vanderbilt, Union, Eastern Parkway, and PPW. Where the fuck would all the traffic on all those roads go?
PKMKII t1_ivyqzwq wrote
It would be so simple and efficient if they had just made it a proper roundabout but, ‘Murica
ken81987 t1_ivyrmgw wrote
funny cause grand army plaza is literally a big oval too.
PKMKII t1_ivyyhf3 wrote
It’s the ideal scenario for one but instead they were like “nope, gonna put a stop light every three car lengths.”
WaterMySucculents t1_ivzz314 wrote
The worst light is one of the multiple lights right at the top of the park by the insanely wide crosswalk. I got a red light ticket here because it’s so easy to not notice multiple different lights every few car lengths
GrreggWithTwoRs t1_ivzw3vl wrote
I'm curious unless you're a troll, what does Murica have to do with it? Piazza Venezia is considerably worse, taking one top of mind example.
PKMKII t1_iw0668o wrote
Americans are notorious for their distaste of roundabouts
GrreggWithTwoRs t1_iw06vt3 wrote
Hmm, I'm from Massachusets which is chock full of roundabouts. Didn't know the rest of the country hated them so.
Himbledimble t1_iw64cpo wrote
Those around roundabouts, they're rotaries!
mowotlarx t1_ivw5cf1 wrote
Yes, please. It's a beautiful area but the weird islands that pedestrians have to walk between to get anywhere feel very dangerous.
NicoleEastbourne t1_ivwfmmg wrote
I both walk and cycle around there and I get so confused and overwhelmed trying to navigate around. I scurry from point to point like a scared squirrel.
nasimehehe t1_iw0ob3e wrote
My least favorite kind of island
TeamMisha t1_ivwfyan wrote
It needs a lot of work, this place is a fucking mess for peds and bikes. I see so many confused cyclists navigating from the north where you have back to back 3-5 leg intersections on the south half of the circle. We have this beautiful arch choked off from the world cause it's surrounded by roads wider than highways. It reminds me of the Arc de Triumph in paris that it's like this fucking insane 10 lane wide traffic circle so crazy that they indeed just built tunnels cause how in the fuck would you ever cross it safely. Don't want to see that happen here. This whole area is over-engineered to hell, bring it down to human scale
HFY_HFY t1_ivwrc31 wrote
Didn't know about the tunnels when I visited leading to an American frogger in Paris.
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HS_sadness t1_ivxbuka wrote
I saw a couple people try it when I was there, but I can’t recommend it
HFY_HFY t1_ivzjt6i wrote
? It was 4pm ish. I had just walked from the louvre which I thought was a good idea not realizing how far away it was.
Also, I'm fast as fuck, boi.
PersistentElephant t1_ivz918t wrote
I made this same mistake. Guess I'll have to check out those tunnels next time!
TeamMisha t1_ivzklv3 wrote
Brave soul lmao, yeah there's a set of tunnels but they only have an entrance on one side if I recall
thisismynewacct t1_ivwc5o1 wrote
Some car driver in Bayside or Far Rockaway: “and I took that personally”
bitchthatwaspromised t1_ivxsuxk wrote
Lmao Staten Island is in shambles
Souperplex t1_ivyq8pk wrote
If people want to drive they should just move back to Ohio.
_Maxolotl t1_ivyx3lt wrote
And if they're from NYC and want to drive they should move to Massapequa and Jersey where a lot of their relatives have already gone.
beer_nyc t1_iw1kltn wrote
I imagine that the "car drivers from Bayside or Far Rockaway" are likelier to have grown up in NYC than those from your neighborhood.
riotburn t1_ivzhtia wrote
Says the person prob from Ohio
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivyfpgk wrote
Obviously there’s a lot of car drivers in this area if the traffic and parking is abysmal. Far rock isn’t really a car congested area. Neither is bayside. Most people in bayside have their own driveways and parking spaces.
thisismynewacct t1_ivyjpa4 wrote
It’s more like, they aren’t anywhere close to this but will still take offense at it
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivzv9ty wrote
Even if that’s true, the public transportation options suck there and you think they shouldn’t take personal responsibility to solve it.
thisismynewacct t1_ivzwjts wrote
Grand Army plaza has poor transportation options?
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2ov7q wrote
Bayside
thisismynewacct t1_iw2uk45 wrote
That wasn’t remotely the point but ok
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2urgv wrote
It wasn’t? The commenter said the people of bayside and far Rockaway would take car free zones personally. I said they don’t have good public transportation options. You said grand army plaza does in response as if that had anything to do with what was being discussed. Try and keep up with your posts.
thisismynewacct t1_iw2uxct wrote
That was me. And it’s because they’d take a car free zone far from where they live personally.
gobeklitepewasamall t1_iw1wl57 wrote
No, all the poor black & brown neighborhoods to the south & east whose inhabitants have to pass through GAP on their way to work have poor public transportation options.
North Brooklyn is built around parkways. It doesn’t have highways. In order to get around, you have to use parkways or designated truck route avenues. EP is full of people from bedstuy, crown heights, Brownsville, east Flatbush, Canarsie. Poor & working class NY’ers are most likely to work jobs that can’t be done from home & aren’t in Manhattan, meaning they need to drive to work. They’re also least likely to be able to afford to live near decent transit, again, meaning they have to drive to work.
Have you ever gotten up & walked to the train in Flatbush at 7am? It’s all teachers, nurses, home health aides, cops, emts, construction workers. During COVID it was still busy, cause they can’t afford to not work and the entire city depends on their labor to functionZ
thisismynewacct t1_iw2cps4 wrote
Completely missed the point but ok
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2p1n1 wrote
Bayside. Please try and keep up with the bs you’re saying.
Minelayer t1_ivyvsp4 wrote
Right, then they drive to the more congested parts of the city and get aggro when they are delayed in anyway and you have the congestion and dangerous driving everyone is talking about.
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Nestta t1_ivwxjyn wrote
Every time I cross the street here I feel like I’m putting my life in danger, I really look forward to hearing more
ohboyidkman t1_ivw1bs7 wrote
omg yes! that would be amazing!
George4Mayor86 t1_ivw7571 wrote
This would be incredible.
Highplowp t1_ivwa2ax wrote
Great choice, do city point next, no one knows how to drive down Fulton anymore and there are people riding scooters through the plazas- to be fair, it’s probably safer for the scooter riders. It gets CRAZY in the morning.
pfrank6048 t1_ivxy8qg wrote
Where is city point?
AirlineFlyer t1_ivyfpyt wrote
Downtown Brooklyn. The Fulton Street busway is a totally mess because drivers don’t respect traffic laws and NYPD doesn’t give two shits.
pfrank6048 t1_ivyiy25 wrote
Thanks! I thought they may have been referring to city line in east new york
Highplowp t1_ivyn42r wrote
I knew it as Fulton mall previously
elizabeth-cooper t1_ivyg1i6 wrote
This roundabout can go to hell, but from a practical standpoint it's hard to imagine how they're going to re-route traffic in the area.
fasda t1_ivzao8l wrote
Get rid of the roads in the center except for the bus lanes. Make Plaza st 2 lanes wide right lane for turns only and left for straight. This means eliminating parking from the circle on at least one side. Restore the plaza st to its oval shap at the south end. at Union street they need to make a right turn from plaza st and move the crosswalks away from the intersections so cars are better able enter plaza st.
This way there will only need 4 traffic lights if at all, at flatbush, union, eastern parkway and Vanderbilt. Traffic will be heavy but constantly flowing so better then it is right now.
O2C t1_iw0fhe4 wrote
Remove all car traffic from the middle, only bus and bike. Remove the bike lane from Plaza St E & W, possibly the parking too. Make it two lanes of traffic where right lane must turn right.
West bound Eastern Parkway merges to single lane before hitting Plaza St E and is forced to turn right onto Plaza St E. Force south bound traffic on Vanderbilt and Flatbush into a single lane before their turns too.
The lights could probably be timed to send Flatbush traffic around almost non-stop.
Shame_On_Matt t1_ivzxw2i wrote
That whole intersection feels like it would do great as a tunnel
doctor_van_n0strand t1_ivy3rtp wrote
A moment of pearl-clutching for the steady stream of single-occupant SUVs from Nassau and Bensonhurst that will no longer have the chance to get stuck and block crosswalks between green lights. Oh, the humanity! Can we not think of the drivers?? Widen the roads! Just one more lane will fix traffic! Just one more lane bro, I swear!
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivyg4k7 wrote
Nobody clutches pearls harder than people who use a city back every now then and pedestrians. I mean, let’s be real most people without cars lost their license to too many DUIs.
mowotlarx t1_ivysjju wrote
>most people without cars lost their license to too many DUIs.
...maybe in Nassau county that's true. Not in NYC, my dude.
mission17 t1_ivytafu wrote
Be honest do you know anything about people who live in New York?
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivzv559 wrote
Yes
seenew t1_iw08ydj wrote
apparently not at all
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2oto9 wrote
You’re wrong
seenew t1_iw2wy13 wrote
you think the only people without cars in NYC are the ones with DUIs??? Hahaha that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here. And this is Reddit!
how do people who never had cars here get DUIs? Huh genius? I sold my car when I moved here because this is one of the only cities in the country with usable mass transit. I didn’t get a DUI because I haven’t had to drive more than a handful of times since I moved here. You’re an idiot.
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2x4vf wrote
No that I just said to rile the anti car idiots up. It worked. 🏆
seenew t1_iw2xtql wrote
oh you’re only pretending to be an idiot with a false claim I get it
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2y1qq wrote
Yeah - I figured facts people don’t like get downvoted might as well go nuts with it 🥜
seenew t1_iw2yy40 wrote
there’s a difference between facts people don’t like and straight up lies. It’s important to keep that distinction in mind.
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2zst4 wrote
K
Turbulent_Ad1667 t1_ivwn8w3 wrote
Bout time
4BDN t1_ivy64qi wrote
I lived there for a year about 6 years ago. I never felt it was hard walking through there. Just wait your turn at the lights like you are supposed to do for every intersection.
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivyfv1d wrote
Well the ban-cars crowd isn’t known for personal responsibility
mowotlarx t1_ivysezk wrote
How many pedestrians are hitting cars and killing drivers, again? Tell me more about the imbalance of personal responsibility.
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivytphi wrote
How many cyclists are killed because they didn’t observe traffic laws while not wearing helmets?
mowotlarx t1_ivyvg6r wrote
You tell me! Teach me the truths of the car death cult and how you are somehow the most deadly things on the road by 100x but refuse to take any responsibility.
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivz51kz wrote
Lol car death cult. Off your meds again? When doesn’t a car driver take responsibility? By definition they’ve passed a license exam. They pay for insurance. They renew their license. They inspect and register their cars annually to ensure they’re in working order. If they park illegally, they get ticketed. If they don’t pay it, their car gets booted. Feeling dumb yet? Cause you should, and if you’re not, it’s because you’re beyond help and are the most entitled type of nyc’er.
There’s lots of laws regarding what they can and can’t do behind the wheel. A cyclist doesn’t even need to prove they have feet. And there’s nothing stopping them from giving free rides to friends dangling off their bikes. And if they get hit by a car going the wrong way down 2nd Ave, driving against traffic with their front wheel in the air, the driver is responsible for their medical bills and bike. If you want me to tell you, at least 90% of cyclist deaths are because they didn’t obey they laws of traffic and they weren’t wearing helmets.
Maybe instead of banning all cars you could do something that makes sense. Sterilization would be good for humanity. But on a local-nyc level, start with taking away the 535,000 licenses that undocumented citizens have. That would take a lot of cars off the road, don’t you think? Then take away the dining shacks/rat motels. More efficient placement of citibikes. Put them in parking garages instead of the streets. Invest in programs that promote bike safety instead of telling them “literally, everything that goes wrong on your bike is someone else’s fault - so get out there and do whatever tf you want.” Reduce the number in the winter months. Reduce commercial only parking. Change the hours of no parking. Extend the hours cars can be in a metered place.
Literally, all of these things would decrease the amount of cars on the roads and increase traffic efficiency. But nah - banning all cars is the way. Extreme measures only that effect everyone, reduce freedom, congestion our shit subways, and punish everyone regardless of how long they’ve lived here and paid taxes. God you’re stupid. Hopefully all you’ll continue to run for is a bus and not public office. Wait - you don’t use the bus, do you? Because that would have to go if you ban all cars, and I guess packages will be dropped with little parachutes attached by overhead drones, like we’re all apart of a WWII cargo cult.
seenew t1_iw09juh wrote
lol who is the one off their meds? damn that was a whole lotta nothing hahaha
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_iw2p5zg wrote
No it wasn’t. You’re just stupid.
seenew t1_iw2w0n6 wrote
nah I checked
Iconospastic t1_iw511ke wrote
>Maybe instead of banning all cars you could do something that makes sense. Sterilization would be good for humanity.
Puts "reduce humans" above "reduce cars" -- so, outright putting cars before people. Got it.
Saved me a lot of time with that one.
AmericanCreamer t1_ivyo636 wrote
THIS WOULD BE MASSIVE! So much potential for this to be the heart of brooklyn
ethandjay t1_ivyeue9 wrote
don't know if that place is more of a nightmare for drivers or for pedestrians. good riddance
bikes_bongs_beers t1_ivwov8p wrote
Dude i drove through it exactly twice. Just get rid of it altogether. We will be better without it.
_Maxolotl t1_ivywopl wrote
YES… HA
HAHA… Y͟E͟S͟!
Link it to the park completely, with no cars in between.
Then do the same with the Parade Grounds.
I love the taste of driver tears.
DaBrooklynGirl t1_ivzrhe1 wrote
Stoopid. Why don’t they try that crap at Atlantic and Flatbush where it takes you 40 minutes to navigate that nightmare because certain neighborhoods and their citizens went all NIMBY about having the Barclay Center at the end of Atlantic Avenue.
GH5s t1_ivzs6tu wrote
If this goes car free traffic will be hell all the time. In the area
em349nw t1_iw51x70 wrote
Do K-town 32nd next!
Smorgas-board t1_ivywil4 wrote
It’s such a confusing mess of a fucking place
Medium-Intern-1539 t1_iw2v2x6 wrote
People can stroll and enjoy the air from the comfort of their bicycle!
(But if you get run down by an illegal speeding moped, or live in an apartment building where the recharging electric motor of a bike catches fire, good luck with the emergency vehicle response time. )
tailormadeblaze t1_ivy79go wrote
This would be great!! As a cyclist and a pedestrian, this is a hellish intersection, and the thing I worry most about when going to the park—too many car lanes coming from multiple directions wherein drivers are going fast and tiny islands where people hope not to get hit.
ericomplex t1_iw01wu2 wrote
It’s one of the busiest traffic exchanges in brooklyn, and they think closing it would help things?
This would be a traffic nightmare beyond belief…
seenew t1_iw08dwl wrote
my neighborhood Facebook group is full of carbrains complaining so hard about this lol
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OkBandicoot1438 t1_ivzt1ib wrote
That would be really unfortunate. It may need some management or redirection but shutting it down completely would be difficult.
And people in this thread are so fucking entitled about being able to ride their bikes and jog while smelling flowers & shit - it’s so one sided. I’m a Med student & volunteer with 2 elderly community centers and 1 special needs center, all in Park Slope. Every morning and evening, small buses and/or commuter vans pick them up and drop them back off at home. Grand Army and Eastern Parkway connects them to other centers and allows them to get to medical appointments and activities. On days where Grand Army is inaccessible, the extra commute time added is 44 minutes - without traffic.
Those streets literally connect to the other side of Brooklyn - a side that gradually becomes lower income and increasingly of color as you move down Eastern Parkway and/or Flatbush. And the more you move down these roads & their nearby neighborhoods, the less public transportation options there are. Buses, dollar/ commuter vans/ Ubers/ carpools/ etc are some peoples only way of commuting into the area. Not everyone can bike/walk from fucking Brownsville/ENY/Canarsie/ East Flatbush to Park Slope and downtown area.
There needs to be a middle ground.
Silo-Joe t1_iw159ie wrote
Nope. No one cares about elderly people unfortunately.
InTogether t1_iw5jeij wrote
That's dramatic
medspeedbikequeen t1_iwk7faj wrote
Glad you are voicing this. What do you think about people proposing making the center / cross lanes for bus (and for dollar vans) and bikes only? And the traffic circle would still be cars?
The same could be said for 14th st and union square—a lot of low income folk in alphabet city and les who take m14 to get around because they’re so far from the train, however getting rid of cars on 14th means bus can move freely, EMS can go quickly down 14th, etc. also, you’re making a false binary. I think the very people you are advocating for need and like good public spaces to hang out in.
Jimmy_kong253 t1_iw06ss0 wrote
Not a bad idea that area is a nightmare to drive
InterSlayer t1_iw0mncr wrote
Limit access from smaller side streets. Add sloped pedestrian bridge. Turn into traffic circle. Done.
yagurlalli t1_ivyow4w wrote
Yesss please!!!
intjish_mom t1_ivxzoj6 wrote
How is that even going to work? Where are the cars that need to go around the circle going to be diverted to? All that traffic from Easton parkway will need to be redirected to somewhere. I imagine this will be a nightmare for drivers. I understand making things better for pedestrians, but that shouldn't mean that drivers are not given any consideration. People aren't really going to bike from Bedstuy to go to Ikea.
Manfromporlock t1_ivy2cbt wrote
One thing we keep finding is that traffic adjusts to the infrastructure for it. So if you have a congested eight-lane highway, adding two lanes doesn't make it flow better, you just get a congested ten-lane highway. The extra traffic kind of just appears.
It works in reverse as well; cars used to be able to drive right through Washington Square Park, and when it was proposed to turn the park back over to people, there was a lot of handwringing about how the extra traffic would spill over into the surrounding streets. But it didn't; the extra traffic kind of just disappeared.
D_Ashido t1_ivyb2zp wrote
I believe I understand your viewpoint. I am still confused how all of that traffic will get downtown now. You have Eastern Parkway and Flatbush Ave which are bringing traffic from two different directions to get downtown and then you're just going to leave them deserted to go through skinny back streets? I can't see Eastern Parkway turning into a dead-end at Brooklyn museum while keeping all those side streets only one way.
I guess I'd have to see a simulation of this to see how it would work.
In addition, for all of these cuts to automobile traffic patterns, we need to seriously fortify our Mass-Transportation infrastructure to make up for it. We can't cut one option to get around without boosting the alternative in some fashion.
breakneckridge t1_ivye9de wrote
D_Ashido t1_ivyjhgr wrote
Thanks for the read. I'm gonna have to side with "Ed Crotch" who commented on this article 15 years ago. They said:
>"So here we have a city that is increasing the volume of people yet trying to reduce the volume of vehicles. The amount of subways that can be run on one line is still years off from being able to be increased.
>Still, I have yet to see any data that says that by reducing the number of lanes will actually reduce the number of over all drivers through out the city. It will reduce the volume of vehicles on those streets (less lanes means less vehicles on those streets), but I think people will just drive elsewhere thus causing gridlock and traffic on streets where there is none now."
KingPictoTheThird t1_ivyzuxf wrote
The subway is just one way of getting around. The city has added tons of SBS lanes, more buses, bike lanes, and made the city safer for biking and walking in general. As we create safe alternatives people will switch to those
D_Ashido t1_ivz370y wrote
SBS and Bus lanes are gonna use the same infrastructure that is being bastardized by this plan so why would I use it more?
Iconospastic t1_iw51xgh wrote
Because what he says "will happen" generally does not happen anywhere tried. Congestion on other streets tends to increase in the very short term, but habits change and volume decreases in the medium to long term.
Case in point: Amsterdam's gridlock literally looked like NYC's until it didn't. They made that change. And the traffic did not magically stay the same forever.
Ok_Extreme_6512 t1_ivy5imd wrote
Drivers are given half of the land mass in NYC as consideration, I think they’ll be ok
_hello_____ t1_iw0km53 wrote
Your mistake is asking about the well being of drivers on this sub. People here live in a fantasy of banning cars
intjish_mom t1_iw0luvl wrote
Haha good luck with that. I bet theyd fuss just as much when they have to be pushed inside trains and buses japanse style because too many people are using them.
intjish_mom t1_ivziqem wrote
I wonder whats up with all the downvotes. Its a legitimate question. I hate driving down there but gps has always put me in that stupid traffic circle and i dont remember there being a non traffic circle alternative. I understand making it safe for pedestrians, but car traffic isnt going to disappear. Something needs to accomodate for it.
HayPlaceAPlaceforHay t1_ivyg9zm wrote
It won’t. But it’s no longer about doing things that will work. It’s about appeasing the progressives that move here from the Midwest until their parents stop paying their rent.
koji00 t1_ivwct6x wrote
I assume they'll build an overpass , then?
22thoughts t1_ivxu0a5 wrote
Nooooooooooo
vasjpan02 t1_ivw61km wrote
consider that i never told a cab from downtown to a middle avenue in midtown, as i could walk it faster, and it would double my fare. but you may need underpasses for not-stopping thru traffic. there are many junctions that are so congested i would never drive thru inky around,
George4Mayor86 t1_ivx2n9p wrote
Then take the subway.
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivw2liy wrote
While im normally not a fan of this kinda stuff, for this part of the city i could maybe see a bit of downscaling (however not total removal). If the whole area blocked vehicles then the area would present itself as a major choke point for traffic, especially considering it's on the corner of prospect park which is already quite big
breadman1010wins t1_ivwce6o wrote
Removal it is
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivwcljf wrote
r/facepalm
breadman1010wins t1_ivwd16y wrote
r/fuckcars
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivwdrnx wrote
r/L
breadman1010wins t1_ivwe87x wrote
You realize this headline is an L for you right lmao car brain
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breadman1010wins t1_ivwhmni wrote
You’re coping I’ll give you a pass lmao
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivwinue wrote
Im not the one inhaling copium alongside having pure soy being injected via feeding tube
breadman1010wins t1_ivwk68n wrote
How is anyone supposed to believe you’re not coping given the headline hahahaha Jesus Christ this has gotta be parody
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivwovcq wrote
Think again kid. Besides, headlines dont always tell the full story even if they aren't overexagerated yellow journalism
TeamMisha t1_ivwfgs9 wrote
I think it can and should be done. Eastern Parkway is a mistake to begin with, not human sized at all, and connects here to this crazy over-engineered traffic circle monstrosity. The grid here should be brought back to the scale of surrounding streets, like Vanderbilt is just 1 lane in either direction. There's a section of the plaza that is SEVEN lanes wide yet is fed by at most a 2-lane road from the north from Flatbush, wtf were they doing designing this? The entire inner plaza roadways could be removed tbh
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivwg7du wrote
While i will admit the 7 lane part is definitely excessive, i dont think roads should be entirely removed but rather scaled down a bit, maybe remove some of the more redundant parts and you're good
TeamMisha t1_ivwh1ou wrote
I think 2 lanes max on the circular road would be sufficient and close the entire middle portion. It wouldn't even require construction as they can simply convert the parking lane on Plaza Street into a travel lane. Done and dusted. The entire interior is a waste of space IMO, convert it into greenspace I figure
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivwjitf wrote
Why greenspace? There's already a park next door.why not have the space for small commercial spaces like food trucks/carts.
TeamMisha t1_ivwoxle wrote
Why not? More park the better I figure. The traffic circle is surrounded by park land already, I don't see why not fill the road in and expand the park. But yes, the inner circle area however would be perfect to move the farmers market they do now for example, i.e. surround the arch with stands and use the space for cultural/dining/etc. programming, makes sense to me yeah
breakneckridge t1_ivyfy84 wrote
Oo i live this idea. Also make it have independent vendors like the ones that are there on farmers market Saturdays.
BasedAlliance935 t1_ivywpv5 wrote
Or you know those halal food carts? Would love to see some of those
_devenna t1_ivwq369 wrote
I don’t really understand the downvotes here… they already fucked up the BQE enough and added like 25 minutes to get to the city that way. As someone who drives around the city for work doing this would add at least half an hour travel time to the city from middle Brooklyn, anything west of Flatbush Ave. It would be super fuckin annoying honestly.
22thoughts t1_ivxu8d2 wrote
Always making things harder for drivers :(
Gozillasbday t1_ivxxnno wrote
Because there are more pedestrians. If you would like a driver focused culture try literally anywhere else in this country.
22thoughts t1_ivy4wd8 wrote
You’re right, I should leave my whole family and life behind because of a self-righteous Reddit comment
Gozillasbday t1_ivy9h2r wrote
Huh 2 unhinged replies, fun.
22thoughts t1_ivy5eq1 wrote
Meanwhile, if I tell some ultra liberal hipsters not to invade southern Brooklyn, that makes me a horrible person lmao.
Ok_Extreme_6512 t1_ivy5ond wrote
The best solutions for drivers is less cars on the road. Is a scientific fact that more roads=more cars=things harder for drivers
22thoughts t1_ivy5ygy wrote
I’ve heard all about induced demand and all that, but then look what happens when we lose a lane on the bqe- total chaos. Not sure I buy it
bradbikes t1_ivypxws wrote
You're welcome to move to Houston or LA. They're paragons of car culture where everything is conveniently designed exclusively for cars. It's so much better for everyone.
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22thoughts t1_ivyr3g2 wrote
Do you realize how fascist you sound telling me to leave here, leave my life and family behind because certain factors demand that I drive. Literally telling someone to leave because you don’t agree with an aspect of their lifestyle. So fucking self-righteous
bradbikes t1_ivysi1c wrote
Look man I'm just saying Houston is a car-centric paradise. Tons of highways in City limits, no cycling or pedestrian infrastructure, barely any public transport. And as a direct result there's no traffic there at all!
Getting called a fascist is so tired for trying to help you out.
22thoughts t1_ivytkk4 wrote
Wow. You know my life so much better than I do. Lol give it a rest
bradbikes t1_ivyx6zl wrote
What I DO know is that if you MUST drive...which I'll doubt just due to your complete refusal to elaborate...then having less people casually driving every time they want to go out will be a positive change for you.
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trainmaster611 t1_ivwgwog wrote
Yeah, expanding roads always works. 🙄 We can look like Houston with freeways everywhere and still have traffic!
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AeneasSonofAnchises t1_ivwpxyb wrote
Peak carbrain
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AeneasSonofAnchises t1_ivws47b wrote
Enjoy your high blood pressure when you’re bump to bumper on the LIE
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Race_Strange t1_ivwwjm5 wrote
Boomer
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George4Mayor86 t1_ivx2pja wrote
Of course, devoting unlimited public space to cars means there will be no traffic! Just look at Los Angeles and Houston.
TeamMisha t1_ivwf3ky wrote
Expand where? You gonna volunteer your house be demolished to build the new highway entrance 🤔?
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TeamMisha t1_ivwgux4 wrote
Right, so where do you propose expansion? Basically 99% of land is already occupied, unless you wanna knock down more homes along the LIE to add lanes
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TeamMisha t1_ivwi5m2 wrote
You're joking right? I'm gonna assume you're being satirical.... I hope. Adding more lanes to the LIE would not help, that's already been proven by traffic engineers for decades.
> I don’t really care what has to go.
I think the people that live there do, you realize destroying homes nowadays for highways, here in NYC at least, is an absolute non-starter right? You'd be up your ass in lawsuits before you even hit the planning phase, let alone begun the probably 5-10 year environmental review.
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NicksOnMars t1_ivwl16i wrote
Gtfo, suburbanite. If you study modern urban planning, you would know that cars destroy cities. Also, nyc is the safest big city in america. Take your MAGA spoonfed BS back to facebook
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NicksOnMars t1_ivwrqzl wrote
am coping by educating you
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NicksOnMars t1_ivws91n wrote
We will continue your education in spelling class. Sub-urban-ite
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NicksOnMars t1_ivwu5d9 wrote
It places me as an educator. Thank you for coming to class. Your homework for tomorrow is to research induced demand in relation to the american highway system.
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NicksOnMars t1_ivwzz9y wrote
Okay then, you fail the class. Good luck getting taken seriously in life, when you cant even attempt to see an opposing argument. Back to clogging our streets and polluting the earth it is!
TeamMisha t1_ivwobnm wrote
You're beyond debate, but I just want to add that bike lanes were started in earnest under Bloomberg, a republican, so it's cute you believe this is a democratic "problem"
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wmanningiv t1_ivwkf1b wrote
Says the guy who doesn’t like the changes and has already left.
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anchoviepaste4dinner t1_ivwo0y7 wrote
So go work somewhere else
TeamMisha t1_ivwoqv6 wrote
Also okay that's fine to support additional roads. So you volunteer your house on Long Island to demolish for new roads then yeah?
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AeneasSonofAnchises t1_ivwq2w1 wrote
I think you might be regarded
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AeneasSonofAnchises t1_ivwrwu0 wrote
Nothing censored.
I just think you must be highly regarded
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mtgkev t1_ivwrtqr wrote
I'm going to choose to believe this post is satire and hope I'm right 🤞🤞
AeneasSonofAnchises t1_ivwq0o9 wrote
So you want other peoples homes demolished you you can have less traffic.
Sounds totally sensible.
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mowotlarx t1_ivwlk5q wrote
Then keep your car wherever you live. Park it there. Take the train or bus in. Problem solved.
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Imnottheassman t1_ivwyl58 wrote
Sorry, where is this train ride and series of subways that will cost you thousands a month?
George4Mayor86 t1_ivx2qyt wrote
if you’re that attacked to your car, I recommend living anywhere but America’s only transit-as-default city.
shant_jan t1_ivw5jl4 wrote
if they don't fuck this up, it'll be great on so many layers.
it's just too complex of an interchange for our many, smooth-brained drivers to handle and it makes no sense that the arch is essentially an island detached from the actual plaza.