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Healthyred555 t1_iy2jv9i wrote

All i can say about this place, no matter how early i get and ready I am... when the gate is called for the train i somehow end up in back of the line.


FarFromSane_ t1_iy2s5gs wrote

If you are going where the line is you are in the wrong place. Use the lower concourse to board. I even ask the seating area attendant what the track number is going to be if it’s around 12 minutes before departure and the track number hasn’t been officially put out. 9/10 times they have the information on their screen and I head down there to step on the second the doors open.

Even without knowing the trick to ask the track number early, it baffles me to see people waiting in a winding line by the escalator. It’s Penn Station! There are soooo many ways on to a given platform, why does (almost) everyone stand at a single entry point like it’s an airport. (And why does Amtrak encourage that? I like the train because I can roll up and step right on)


cocktails5 t1_iy3cle5 wrote

Only taken the train there once, but it wasn't at all obvious when I got there where I should be going. So I got in line with everybody else when they announced the track number.


SnooWoofers5193 t1_iy55lri wrote

I actually didn’t know I was allowed to go down there if not through the line? U can?


dilpill t1_iyc3eic wrote

They do not want you to and actively try to stop you by closing some platform doors, but it’s still possible.

The reason for it is that the platforms are so narrow that allowing boarding passengers to wait there would make it slower for passengers to disembark.

One or two people who figure out the trick doesn’t pose that issue, but you’ll never hear official approval of it.

I do it every other time or so depending how resourceful I’m feeling. It used to be way easier when there was an arrivals board in the waiting area!


ktkat0000 t1_iy40amx wrote

lol i did this last friday and the person on the track yelled at me and the other people doing this "hot tip" and told us to go back up to where the line was. 🫥 so not a surefire tip (or maybe this particular employee was just being tough)


STMBK73 t1_iy68now wrote

They have been really difficult the last month or so, right about when they started putting up stantions/ropes on Friday. I would assume it cools down after the holidays.


0Il0I0l0 t1_iy3szej wrote

How do you get to the lower concourse?


CrimsonBrit t1_iy403ja wrote

Because the signage is awful. They announce a track from location and everyone runs to two doors with horrible stairs, usually with heavy suitcases. It’s fucking madness


waukeecla t1_iy3q3dz wrote

I wonder this too, because last time I boarded an Amtrak it was in the new concourse under 8th Ave, it wasn't crowded (never is, I use this concourse all the time for LIRR or NJT) yet everyone boards in moynihan, surely not all these riders are "newbies"


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vittorioe t1_iy3418c wrote

More like faster boarding instead of a bottleneck


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vittorioe t1_iy3gfb1 wrote

Literally not at all what OP is saying but go off


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thebruns t1_iy4ao15 wrote

> the train can’t just park there for 10-15 minutes and let people board at their own pace. I really don’t think you take Amtrak lol.

Sounds like youve never taken Amtrak. They all have a 20 minute layover at Penn, including a complete crew change.


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thebruns t1_iy4lixd wrote

You are talking about two different issues.

No one said wait on the platform.

OP said:

>If you are going where the line is you are in the wrong place. Use the lower concourse to board.

There are 5-8 stair/escalators onto each platform. There is no reason for everyone to wait at the one in the center of the new building.

You can still wait at the other 7 for everyone to get off before going down


Toilethyme t1_iy36mam wrote

Grand Central seems to manage without this line nonsense.


cabanacloudnine t1_iy38ir8 wrote

Grand central announces their track times much earlier than Penn does


112-411 t1_iy6tl6k wrote

This is because GCT has much greater capacity than NYP (about 3X the tracks) while also serving a fraction of the passengers.


Shame_On_Matt t1_iy3g1iy wrote

It’s kinda fascinating, the controlled chaos. People SPRINT to their gate like absolute lunatics, but are mostly orderly and respect the rules of a line.


mesoliteball t1_iy25xym wrote

“One Amtrak police officer we spoke to on Wednesday was even more frank.

‘This is a mall, they don't see it like a train station. They don't want homeless people here,’ he said.”


iv2892 t1_iy2dkem wrote

Homeless should stay in designated shelters , and hopefully do more to help them . The ones that are on drugs are a lot harder to deal with, though. And every mayor city is having some issues with this too . Is not a nyc only thing


Janus_The_Great t1_iy2k1hm wrote

>Homeless should stay in designated shelters

As in "they should have access to shelters etc." not as in "they should be put into internment camps, unfree to leave".

And if you wonder who would even think of the second, the answer is: Enough to be careful how we write/formulate our sentences. Sane reasoning, and healthy social morals have become rare these days...


ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iy2t02g wrote

They should not live or loiter in major transit centers. Billion dollar transit centers should not be the world's most expensive homeless shelters.


Janus_The_Great t1_iy3pv8t wrote

While I share your perception of it being a nuisance in public spaces (try to find a seating option in Grand central...), limiting access won't resolve the issue.

NYC/NY/US needs to invest in social structures. As long as there is unnecessary/artifical poverty created by inhumane conditions, bad social structure and economic exploitation there will be homeless people. With the current developments in environment and society, if you're not making at 100k, prepare to become part of the issue over the next two decades.

Excluding them won't stop the issue. The US wishes to be #1, but really often shows they aren't, by far. Below the poverty line bo not live lesser people, just the less fortunate one's.


seemsprettylegit t1_iy39liy wrote

*Tax funded public spaces. But bat your eyes away from the suffering, dust it under the rug, and toss em’ into the winter weather why not. The problem is sure to just stop existing /s.


FrankBeamer_ t1_iy3kxnf wrote

That’s exact-fuckingly what subways in London, Singapore Tokyo etc that this sub worship do. I don’t see why NYC should be any different.


seemsprettylegit t1_iy3liaa wrote

Because those cities don’t have nearly the same number of homeless people for a wide range of reasons. Once NYC can provide adequate housing/doesn’t gouge rent out, and not allow foreign nationals to buy out condos/apartments that they will never actually live in as a way to park money, then we’ll talk. Until then, this city has become a giant Ponzi scheme on the way to San Francisco levels of shit.


Free_Joty t1_iy3cypz wrote

Maybe like our affordable housing requirements, we can require 15- 20% of new public spaces as homeless encampment areas?

Ie here is the train platform, but we also have room for the tent city 🙄


seemsprettylegit t1_iy3d25t wrote

Maybe we can try to address why they became homeless in the first place?


Free_Joty t1_iy3d6ew wrote

Maybe we can solve World hunger and war at the same time too?


seemsprettylegit t1_iy3da72 wrote

Tf does the world matter here. You are in a NYC sub. Idk if you’re new here or just playing pretend, but it’s winter and you are going to find more homeless folks indoors. Always has been that way, and I’d rather people not freeze to death.


ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iy3johw wrote

Yes so we use billion dollar transit centers as homeless shelters? Shouldn't we have appropriate homeless shelters with resources enstead of people living in transit centers. Throw in the obligatory most of the homeless in transit hubs are street homeless which have severe mental illness (typically schizophrenia) and or have a severe drug problem.


Free_Joty t1_iy4169o wrote

The point is how did building new transit facilities turn into solving the homeless problem? You’ll never get anything accomplished if you keep make the scope bigger


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Janus_The_Great t1_iy3ni8m wrote

Agree, There should be more options for the homeless and shelters and centers.

>not burden the rest of society and make them deal with avoiding homeless people literally everywhere.

That will never stop being a burden until the US becomes a social or mixed economy, rather than being a neo-liberal economy. There is no money to be made in helping homeless, so neo-liberal forces ignore the issue. Charity rather than state financed options and social programs is the US approach. Hence the situation not much changing.

Since exploitation, disenfranchisement and instrumentalisation of employees are some of the economic forces the US economy is based on, there will always be a fall off, that lands on the streets. But below the poverty line do not live lesser people.

Having homelessness is a polical choice, that's why some countries, practically don't have any. Many, especially New York try to push them out, socially and locally exclude them. That's not gonna work, and making the homeless illegal as some US counties have tried, is distopian. US prison labor is already basically slavery with extra steps. Inhumane anyways, yet the current path it seems.

Having lived abroad for most of my life, this was a shocker coming to the US, how less fortunate are treated. A major factor seems to be who to blame for failure. Americans seem to be convinced that the individual him/herself is 100% responsible for their fate/situation/life. Which in reality is closer to 30%, while 60% is access to socal institutions (Education, health, mental health, supportive structures, good peer communities, room for creativity etc.) and about 10% luck

My wife and I are looking to leave the US again soon, it's... we both do not perceive the US as a country to raise kids in or to life free (never felt more disenfranchised than here). The people are nice and friendly but generally illiterate outside their expertise, nor any idea of the world outside the US. Super friendly people but the lack of general knowledge is frightening, especially political and social illiteracy. As a historian a lot of mentalities/sentiments remind me of the late Weimar republic years, which isn't a good sign.

Have a good one


k1lk1 t1_iy3q1wu wrote

> . The people are nice and friendly but generally illiterate outside their expertise

> As a historian a lot of mentalities/sentiments remind me of the late Weimar republic years, which isn't a good sign.

Ahahaha, this is fucking amazing


Janus_The_Great t1_iy3rnj3 wrote

>As a historian

Next to having studied sociology, philosophy and psychology.

You see, in progressive actually developed countries we don't pay for tertiary education, and thus aren't usually limited to one discipline in our careers. Ever heard of interdisciplinary? It's totally in trend since like three decades...🤷‍♂️

In Finnland you get paid for studying, not paying...

That's what i mean with illiterate to the rest of the world works.

Without going into details, I specifically analyse the development of US society and the potential risks for its future from a interdisciplinary standpoint. That's my job.

What's your expertise?

None given, none taken. Have a good one.


avd706 t1_iy3tkyv wrote

What they fuk are you doing badmouthing NYC in a local Reddit sub. You have no ideas of the realities on there ground.


Janus_The_Great t1_iy3wxkk wrote

Where am I badmouthing? Im criticizing facts. If facts are perceived as problematic, well then there are issues.

I love NYC, great city, the bearing heart of the US, and iconic metropolises ob the world. That doesn't change that there are things to criticize.

Criticism is the highest form of praise or patriotism. The wish to improve. The wish to become better in the inevitable changes of time.

To be blind to criticism only underlines the wish for no change or an acceptance of decline. It means you don't wish for betterment.

Times arrow only moves forward, and with it change. My intention isn't to "badmouth" New York, but to give frank criticism, in hopes to bring focus to where improvement is needed, to prevent detoriation of what you and I love about this city.

I'm sorry if it came across to harsh or malicious, that wasn't my intention. Having grown up with Francian heritage, it's literally part of my culture to be frank.

Jave a good one stay safe.


avd706 t1_iy40mnl wrote

Do you understand that there is a consent decree in which the city agrees to provide shelter to anyone requesting it?


Janus_The_Great t1_iy43w4f wrote

Yes. Have you seen the quality of NYC shelters? I have. I wouldn't stay in one if necessary. I'd rather try my luck outside as long as I don't freeze to death. Violence, SA, theft and robbery are daily occurrence, next to vermin and disease. Most of the money intended for it is usually redirected as high wages for the management (which tends to live well of their proceeds, while often the absolute minimum isn't even given to the shelters themselves. There is little to no oversight.

There is a tendency to stop looking into it, after one has received calming assurance. But the right response to "No need to worry, there is shelter for everyone" is to question the quality of those shelters. If most homeless tend to stay out of them, they don't seem work as intended. Having visited some work wise, I wouldn't stay in one, simply too dangerous.

So unless there is a broader social reform, there is little change to the current situation to be expected.


avd706 t1_iy3tan9 wrote

Every New Yorker has access to a shelter. Nothing fancy, but it's required under a consent decree. Which is why we had small numbers of pre covid street homeless compared to other cities.


Janus_The_Great t1_iy3udkr wrote

Every homeless New Yorker, correct. Have you heard about the conditions in many of those? Have you visited one? While on paper it looks social, it isn't. I would think more than twice to stay in one if I'd need to.

Covid had an impact, I agree, but I don't think it's just more from out of state, but rather more new Yorkers too. Rising poverty levels...


avd706 t1_iy426o7 wrote

By definition a non homeless person already has shelter.

Most homeless people you see on the streets are emotionally disturbed. And most shelters àre deplorable. And vivid the the calculus out the window.

Want to make conditions better in the subways and train stations? Improve the shelters, attack root causes of homelessness.


Janus_The_Great t1_iy45aec wrote

>Want to make conditions better in the subways and train stations? Improve the shelters, attack root causes of homelessness.

This is the only correct answer. Better shelters and oversight, should sink some of the issues given with homelessness. But without adequate social services the issue will not disappear.

Better yet would be housing for the homeless. But that's difficult to achive in a city where you pay ~1k for a shared bedroom already.


avd706 t1_iy5t38l wrote

Again, housing is not the issue for the people in the subway.


Lovat69 t1_iy4qdy0 wrote

>And vivid the the calculus out the window.



Kiritowerty t1_iy35cvm wrote

Jesus, you're gonna tear a bicep with that reach!


iv2892 t1_iy3roul wrote

Exactly which is why I said we should definitely do more to help them. At least nyc tries , some other cities just simply try to sweep all homeless under the rug. And at least in the US and I’m assuming most other countries too haven’t come up with much better solution to deal with them in a humane manner. And again , dealing with the drug users is always a lot harder and hopefully we can come up with better programs to get the hard drugs away from the streets while also helping the people facing these issues instead of just judging them


thisisntmineIfoundit t1_iy28h16 wrote

>Sam M., who works in finance and was waiting for that same train to Boston, referred to hostile architecture as "a liberal arts term," but agreed with the premise and its presence in Moynihan

I'm with Sam M. Call it whatever you want at least it's not like the downstairs food court at Grand Central.


carpy22 t1_iy2emcc wrote

You mean the completely closed off seats and roped off benches?


thisisntmineIfoundit t1_iy2fc9e wrote

Haven’t been there since I last had folks in town but typically the tables in the food court downstairs were…60%+ occupied by homeless. Plus the few rummaging through the bins.

If they’ve corrected that, perhaps during / post covid that’s great.


carpy22 t1_iy2idsg wrote

It's not great, it completely fucks over commuters that want to grab something to eat before a train, which is what the dining concourse is built for. It's intentionally turning wide swaths of the station into a closed off area at the detriment of commuter convenience.


thisisntmineIfoundit t1_iy2ix5g wrote

You mean they just don’t let anyone use it at all? Even if you’ve bought something?


carpy22 t1_iy2jcmu wrote

No, seating has been physically closed off behind locked gates and roped off areas, which has directly negatively impacted me quite a few times recently when wanting to grab something to eat before getting on Metro North to head to Westchester. Maybe when East Side Access opens they'll reopen the seating in the Dining Concourse since one of the main paths to get to the LIRR will be that way but for now it's been intentionally turned into a shell of it's former self.


thisisntmineIfoundit t1_iy2kh57 wrote

This is a perfect example of policies being too lax (sleep here all day, go through trash, whatever!) until the inevitable harsh over correction.

Curious who made this call and why…if I had to guess it’s similar to why some theft prone Walgreens have security guards that don’t stop you from stealing - theft insurance requires a guard but liability insurance does not want that guard to lay a finger on anyone. This is Grand Central’s version of deodorant locked behind plastic.


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RolandDeepson t1_iy3kipw wrote

Ok. Wherever the next foodservice area gets built, make sure to intentionally refuse to install any seating. Standing-height tables are fine, but no seating.

Lemme know what intended-customer groups think of that after 6 months.


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RolandDeepson t1_iy3ybq2 wrote

Your comment was asinine before I commented, and your reply here is also off base.

I hope you have a pleasant day.


Wowzlul t1_iy5dlgj wrote

> What is the intended group for a… checks notes… busy train station?

Every big intercity train station I've ever used in Europe has some sit down dining.


Tough_Wear_5839 t1_iy355ma wrote

Nope, no access. Security guards stand there. . I used to enjoy sitting there with a coffee while waiting for my train. I guess if they open it up it returns to been a mostly homeless encampment. Shame really.


pm_me_your_rack2 t1_iy2une8 wrote

Of course they do. Not sure where other commenters are coming from, tbh. The food court at Moynihan is not and has not been roped off or closed off behind gates. Perhaps others saw it while these areas were still under construction.

That being said, there isn’t much seating at Moynihan.


Pennwisedom t1_iy3jm9m wrote

"Grand Central" which they're talking about, is a weird way to spell, "Moynihan."


Slggyqo t1_iy3b33e wrote

Virtually all of the chairs in the dining concourse are gone now except for the dedicated seating areas for a few restaurants.


finebydesign t1_iy3tu0u wrote

I haven't been there in years ( I guess covid). My friend told me that the dining concourse is terrible now. I used to think it was a swanky place.


Slggyqo t1_iy3v9we wrote

It’s changed a bit over the last 5 years I guess?

There’s an entryway from the Dining Concourse to the new Grand Central LIRR platforms, so I expect foot traffic will will be up significantly in 2023.


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603er t1_iy6x9si wrote

Oh man you’ve never been to Vancouver have you.


Klaxonwang t1_iy8hp9k wrote

Watching Seoul station right now, and this made me laugh.


app4that t1_iy2486q wrote

A nice and clean looking public area in NYC but nobody can sit down? Yeah, I’ll take it.


remorselessfrost t1_iy22mml wrote

I'm guessing because this makes 1) cleaning easier 2) loitering difficult 3) traffic flow faster.


Shawn_NYC t1_iy25awi wrote

It's to keep out the homeless.


smoonyc t1_iy38lc9 wrote

Good. It’s not a shelter.


Dracomarine t1_iy4bhtv wrote

Bad, I want to sit down to wait for my damn train and not everyone can stand for that long.

Instead of picking the simplest punitive choice, lets actually have some real solutions for the problem.


smoonyc t1_iy4wvpd wrote

If you have a ticket, sit in the waiting area for ticketed passengers. Problem solved.


Dracomarine t1_iy4yolc wrote

Or, alternatively, we can put out benches in a train station like every other civilized society on this planet. Problem solved.


sutisuc t1_iy25wgi wrote

Yup. Hostile architecture. Absolutely no mystery


burnshimself t1_iy2mirh wrote

You make it sound like such a terrible idea. Old Penn Station is an open air mental hospital. They were specifically trying not to repeat that


finebydesign t1_iy3u7bk wrote

I'm all for keeping them out. Airports do it. If anything allowing vagrants to shack up all over our public transportation just disperses a serious problem.


Tylerwherdyougo t1_iy2bk39 wrote

Can confirm it’s to keep out homeless, I take long breaks here from work in the seating area. It says for customers only but I don’t buy anything. I’ve done this 30 times or so and never been kicked out but typically see a homeless person being kicked out everytime im there.


valies t1_iy28dg9 wrote

There is a sitting area for ticketed passengers.


megreads781 t1_iy2a4y3 wrote

The problem I had is when I was picking up my daughter her train was hours late. It was 10 pm and I didn’t have a ticket myself. I couldn’t use the area or sit on the floor. It’s annoying


jerlawber t1_iy6i2ll wrote

It’s amazing to me how trains can be “hours late” in this country. I used to ride NJ transit a lot and it was hilarious how they just stop and sit at random and turn a 10 mile trip into a 1hr+ slog. I have a friend in Switzerland who was a conductor for years and said that the ONLY reason a train will be delayed there is because someone jumped in front of one, and even still it’ll be a shorter delay than the one caused by a passenger with a stomachache on Amtrak or MTA.


Competitive_Air_6006 t1_iy2jttu wrote

You’ve clearly not arrived early or waited for someone at this transit station. Try carrying a heavy bag with your ticket and being forced to run around this crazy place up & down lots of stairs-and I’m in shape - while looking for a place to sit. I am so disappointed, it isn’t functional at all.


ewokfinale t1_iy38vgx wrote

You would think NYC would calculate how many passengers are waiting for a train at peak times and build accordingly, but I have never found seating there even during lighter days I've traveled.


oreosfly t1_iy2e00w wrote

There are no chairs there, so there's nowhere to sit. Put chairs there, the homeless will take it over and the chairs won't be suitable for sitting.

"Same shit, different toilet" if you ask me. Sue me.


k1lk1 t1_iy3apc7 wrote

It would be very simple and straightforward to issue a no loitering policy. Would its enforcement be necessarily subjective? Of course. Who cares. Show your ticket if asked, and leave if you're a vagrant.

Curated spaces exist in the city, ever wonder why there are basically no vagrants in the Schwarzman building?

Moynihan is awful because we don't have the balls to stand up to the screeching idiots who want to require absolutely nothing from homeless vagrants. Let them do whatever they want.


thebruns t1_iy4b4zf wrote

Bullshit. Boston has chairs. Newark has chairs. Philly has chairs. Theyre all usable.


mozzbitch t1_iy2bago wrote

omg i was there it was a nightmare. the screens didn’t update with the track we had to go to, and i couldn’t understand the announcement for shit. we just followed the horde of people


bobamuel t1_iy2hort wrote

If you wait in the ticketed seating area, a worker will come around and announce the track before it's posted on the boards.


pton12 t1_iy2gt3q wrote

Next time you should download the Amtrak app so that you can get the gate/track updates directly!


karmapuhlease t1_iya5xtv wrote

Those still don't get added until very late though. I was pretty nervous taking the Acela a few weeks ago - it didn't update until about 3 minutes before the scheduled departure time (app and screens updated at the same time).


pton12 t1_iya62vi wrote

Yeah, your mileage may vary. I took a train on Thurs and it updated it ~20-25min before departure


Wowzlul t1_iy5d79y wrote

Tbh Old Penn is a much easier experience for boarding Amtrak. I'll take the junky basement thanks.

Big, up-to-date screens everywhere, quick access to the tracks, no gigantic queue, shops all around you...


mozzbitch t1_iy5eg7h wrote

i agree! i usually take njt and it’s way easier to get to my train. i was so tight there’s a million huge screens at moynihan but they’re all for ads!


Wowzlul t1_iy5eq87 wrote

Moynihan could be really nice but they keep trying to turn it into Oculus 2.0 where you're not allowed to sit on the floor, the wayfinding and track info is obscured by advertising, and the shops are all "up market."


STMBK73 t1_iy69fsx wrote

The "up market" drives me nuts. There is no place to grab-and-go a normal dinner or snack. All of the food court restaurants are so upscale you need to queue for them to make you a $18 sandwich or $20 salad. FFS, I have a train to catch! If you don't plan ahead your only option is Duane Reade.


Wowzlul t1_iy6i4gw wrote

Pre-renovation Penn was superior in this regard. Plenty of cheap eats and quick stuff to go.


SwampYankee t1_iy3eg4m wrote

There is a ticket holders lounge in the hall. If you have a ticket, you can sit in there. It is strictly enforced so you are immune from the roving packs of deranged homeless. There are no seats because NYPD and the MTA have surrendered the system to the deranged homeless. They would rather have our trains and stations be insane asylums rather than evict the vagrants. Please don't ask me for compassion or solutions. My compassion left 3 murders ago, 14 stabbings and 9 people thrown in front of trains ago. I don't care where they send the deranged homeless. Put them in firehouses, police stations, lobbies of luxury buildings, Citifiled. I simply don't care. I am a simple commuter and commuters have borne the entire burden of the deranged homeless for far too long. It is someone else's turn. What ever compassion or services you want to offer please do it at the exit of the system. Escort the vagrants out of the system, by force if necessary, and then start any interaction you like. Just leave me out. I've done my time and I am more than entitled to clean, safe, transportation. Not my problem anymore.


thebruns t1_iy4bbcb wrote

>There is a ticket holders lounge in the hall.

I would simply read the article that explains how the ticketed room closes early and at random.


SwampYankee t1_iy4et22 wrote

So do the bathrooms and the food court. MTA doesn't care. Never did. If they cared they would not have built a station WHERE HALF THE LIRR TRACKS don't exist! Who builds a train station when the tracks are 2 blocks away? In related news the MTA once again missed hteir goal for East Side Access. It was promised in 2022. Nope, delayed until at least 2023.


waukeecla t1_iy3rr99 wrote

>Elyse Stoner, who arrived around 90 minutes before her train to Philadelphia on Tuesday evening

No one complains about the lack of seats in Penn, because no one shows 90 minutes beofre their train! This mindset is from airplane travel and from nerves of long distance travel. There is no need to arrive early, I promise you Amtrak will never arrive BEFORE the posted time


lupuscapabilis t1_iy4ezpa wrote

But you're forgetting those of us who have to take public transportation just to get to Moynihan. I shoot to get there an hour early just in case of the usual subway delays.


thebruns t1_iy4b24c wrote

Amtrak tells you to arrive a full hour early if you have a bag.

>When should I arrive at the station?

>Unless you're taking the Auto Train, plan to arrive 30 minutes before your scheduled departure. If you need assistance with baggage and/or ticketing, we recommend you arrive 60 minutes early.


irishdancer2 t1_iy4f1h6 wrote

“If you need assistance with baggage” is not the same thing as “If you have a bag.”


thebruns t1_iy4fhla wrote

Someone riding Amtrak for the first time is probably not familiar with how bags work and what needing assistance means


AnacharsisIV t1_iy4ptwo wrote

How fucking complicated can a bag be? There's one hole in the top and you put your shit in it and carry it around via the handle.


thebruns t1_iy4q9jl wrote

Feel free to browse r/amtrak where luggage questions are asked every other day


avd706 t1_iy3s2bx wrote

No one wasted to sit down in such a fancy shit hole. Do they are least keep the homies and emotionally disturbed away?


TeamMisha t1_iy2kkea wrote

The chair thing still gets harped on when Penn does not have public seating either outside of the LIRR and Amtrak ticketed waiting room and within restaurants. No shit they don't want homeless people. Yeah it would be nice to be able to sit while I wait for a train on the general concourse but it's not my biggest gripe with the station tbh. I agree the waiting room should be bigger and be 24/7 and add some kind of way for family member or anyone waiting for someone on an arriving train (not that hard to tell apart someone waiting vs a bum).

My bigger gripes are that the main area IMO should have been designed with dedicated queue space near each escalator so it's not a free for all, and perhaps have built even more escalators if possible. They could have maybe been more bold and lower the entire concourse to be closer to track level so it's quicker to get to the platform. The platform width I know remains the big problem which I'm annoyed this project did nothing to address.


lupuscapabilis t1_iy4f911 wrote

>The chair thing still gets harped on when Penn does not have public seating either outside of the LIRR and Amtrak ticketed waiting room and within restaurants. No shit they don't want homeless people

Why is Philly able to supply plenty of seating in their station without the homeless problem?


lets_go_whale t1_iy4j7mm wrote

Probably thanks to location mainly. 30th Street Station is located relatively more removed from the most crowded areas of Philly whereas Moynihan/Penn is smack dab in the busiest part of the busiest city in the country where homeless tend to coalesce.


TeamMisha t1_iy5y5ke wrote

What do you mean without? Maybe it changed but I used to be in that station almost daily maybe about 4-5 years ago and there was plenty of them. I never encountered any as crazy as the ones in Penn but there were certainly plenty of folks sleeping in there on the benches. But yeah maybe it has changed in more recent history


avd706 t1_iy3shfa wrote

Only way to realistically wooden the platforms is to eliminate tracks.


sternfan1523 t1_iy29zc1 wrote

it's really nice in there and there is a food hall with plenty of seating for customers.


ansky201 t1_iy3ibwm wrote

What is the restroom situation like?


Gjnieveb t1_iy3n3t6 wrote

There are two restroom areas: one in the food hall and one on the opposite end of that hall by Walgreens, close to the 31st Street entrance.


ansky201 t1_iy3nrsk wrote

Are they clean or full of homeless people?


Gjnieveb t1_iy3xfic wrote

They are public restrooms located in a busy train station. If you would like to answer that question, visit them for yourself.


Rhaynebow t1_iy2gfw2 wrote

I feel for her complaints, but it’s a train station, you’re not expected to be there long enough that a ton of seating areas are needed. It’s not an airport where you get there a few hours before departure. I’d much rather pop a squat on the floor at Moynihan than Penn because at least that place isn’t a dingy dungeon that smells like piss.


thebruns t1_iy4bd0p wrote

Amtrak tells you to arrive 60 minutes early.


iv2892 t1_iy29nif wrote

People will just look for something to complain , is it a nice station


ike_tyson t1_iy3jeuf wrote

They don't want you getting too comfy, they want everyone to keep it moving.
I get it and I understand.


darthTharsys t1_iy3wk8s wrote

People always complain about this but it's a nice clean station and you don't need to arrive so early before a trip on a train. Yes it's clearly designed to keep people moving and keep others from sitting and camping out. So what.


W00DERS0N t1_iy3k222 wrote

Does the secret entrance trick still work? Stairs to the lower level by the Wells Fargo ATM? My now wife was amazed when I showed it to her. Drops you way back on the train too so you have more seating options.


k1lk1 t1_iy3qfw6 wrote

Yo, where?


W00DERS0N t1_iy4tst2 wrote

Walk in to Penn from 7th ave under the MSG sign. Walk dead straight past the NJT stuff to where the Amtrak waiting room area is (was? haven't been on the train in a while).

Before you get to the oval you have to walk around, there is a Wells Fargo ATM, and next to it an ancient CRT monitor with trains and tracks. Go down the stairs there to the lower level once you find your track, and there you can take the middle corridor (Hilton Corridor?) to the stairs nearer you than Moynihan.

See this map. It's the third map as you walk into the station, then the 4th one when you get downstairs. Handicapped elevators are a good trick, too.


gzrrt t1_iy3mp4s wrote

I prefer to just skip the massive line, and board under the old Amtrak area at Penn as soon as they announce the track


HarrietWelsch t1_iy527d8 wrote

I traveled Wednesday morning and had the best experience. I got my coffee fast from Blue Bottle, they lined us up at the escalator, and they organized passengers by destination, so I ended up in a sleeper car for the journey down.

Shout out to the southeast corridor superintendent. The man’s a genius.


ansky201 t1_iy3hdtl wrote

I'm taking NJ Transit to Penn station next weekend and I'll be traveling with young kids. So, inevitably they will probably need to use the restroom. Are there any restrooms that are at least somewhat decent and won't be filled with homeless people, like in a designated ticketed area? A neighbor told me that the NJT concourse isn't too bad.


keesbrahh t1_iy3mnke wrote

Yeah the bathrooms are fine. Moynihan is fine. Its not really as bad as the people on the internet or the news makes it out to be.


waukeecla t1_iy3r8sh wrote

There's two bathrooms in Moyinhan that are nice, but only like 8 stalls. On either side of the food hall, one IN the food hall (mid 33rd street, lower level) and then one bathroom on the south side near Duane Reade (mid 32nd street).

There are bathrooms that are bigger in penn but during a rush they can get really busy. It's in the "big room" where the large timetable board used to be, SE corner of 33rd and 8th.

Than there's the tiniest bathroom ever in the NJ transit waiting area, probably not the best if you have kids because it's like 3 stalls.


waukeecla t1_iy3rceq wrote

but again, penn and moynihan are not nearly as bad as anyone makes it seem. I'm there nearly everyday and it's quite nice


PM-Nice-Thoughts t1_iy3sp8p wrote

I can't speak for in Moynihan but in the old Penn the bathrooms in the NJTransit concourse are usually OK.


thebruns t1_iy4bkbj wrote


NJT 7th ave waiting area has 2 stalls, 4 urinals, medium sized seating area

LIRR waiting area has like 10 urinals, cant remember the stalls, small seating area

NJT 8th ave waiting area (old Amtrak) has the most seating, 10 or so urinals, 5 stalls.

Moynihan does not have access to all tracks that NJT uses


brookemeinhalf t1_iy4cwb7 wrote

It's a mad house, but you have to come prepared knowing that *shrug*


mbonaccors t1_iy4vuf9 wrote

The lines and stress are entirely due to the “first come, first serve” seating strategy on the non-business class trains. If they did reserved seating on all the trains and let latecomers fill in afterwards then nobody would care to be in the front of the line.

There’s plenty of space for everyone’s bags and such no matter when you board, unlike a plane. If you are traveling with a spouse or friend of course you’d want to sit together but most people are trying to get in early to try and get a window seat and put their stuff on the aisle seats to prevent having to sit next to someone.


Farrell-Mars t1_iy56hvo wrote

Typical NYC braindead design.

Put seats in a train hall?

Why I never!


azspeedbullet t1_iy22mmj wrote

this is why we cant have nice things


Dddddddfried t1_iy3yrcw wrote

I just don’t understand why there aren’t any ticket machines in the downstairs area by the actual LIRR trains. Why should I have to go upstairs from the subway to buy a ticket at one of only two machines just to go back down stairs? Horribly inefficient, which seems like an important detail for one of the busiest train station in the country


HelllllloooooPerson t1_iy4d0p7 wrote

its obvious they just dont want homeless people haning out and living in the seated areas


lupuscapabilis t1_iy4etfm wrote

As someone who travels for work between there and Philly a lot, it is odd how different the 2 stations are. I get that they're different cities and different sizes and all that, but when I get to Philly, I walk outside right to a waiting cab 99% of the time, something that seems difficult here.

Leaving from Philly, there are plenty of streets at the Amtrak station, a big board in the middle, and no apparent homeless problem.


Sufficient-Aspect77 t1_iy5c0es wrote

An attempt to dissuade the homeless from just living there,I'd imagine. I'm sure there was an actual conversation while they created this place as to the risk vs. reward of no seating. Pro: less homeless sleeping on benches and seat Con: Paying customers have no where to sit outside of restaurants and bars



Vinylcup80 t1_iy338am wrote

I’ve never had a problem getting a seat


Vizualize t1_iy3oa74 wrote

I told you! I told you! I said months ago that the food hall and frankly everything they built over there is too small. At lunch time around 12:30pm on a Tuesday it's busy in Moynihan. I can't even imagine what it's like at holiday prime time.


adk_nlg t1_iy2zvjg wrote

Maybe, like many people from NYC, English is a second language. Get off your high horse.