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wefarrell t1_iwlhiy1 wrote

They haven't been convicted and are not criminals.

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kanooker OP t1_iwlj8vp wrote

Payton Gendron should not be allowed out on bail right?

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wefarrell t1_iwln0di wrote

Of course not.

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kanooker OP t1_iwlnafw wrote

What would keep him in jail if he was only charged with State charges? He has no prior gun charges. There does need to be a dangerousness standard. I say this as a progressive.

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kanooker OP t1_iwmyumu wrote

Well maybe conservatives should focus on that one part instead of the whole law and you can change minds but they'd rather go scorched earth because it's a better political strategy for a power grab.

A conservative governor in NJ did it. Why can't they?

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drpvn t1_iwnerih wrote

Better yet, rather than rant about what conservatives do, you should write or call your state senator or assemblyperson and say that you believe there should be a dangerousness standard. Let them know that their progressive constituents disagree with them on this so they don’t just assume it’s only conservatives who feel that way.

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kanooker OP t1_iwnfs3b wrote

Better yet stop playing games and do the same with your law makers.

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drpvn t1_iwo0u4q wrote

I do. You’re a bit odd.

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wefarrell t1_iwloze8 wrote

Right, jail should be used to protect the rest of society from potentially dangerous individuals while they wait for trial.

It should not be used as a means of punishing people before they are convicted of a crime.

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kanooker OP t1_iwlp507 wrote

So there should be a dangerousness standard right? Because if there wasn't he'd be out on bail.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn24ua wrote

So if Gendron failed to kill anyone that day and only maimed and charged with attempted murder of folks and say DA failed to bring case to trial in time due to backlog and whatever. Defense cites 30.30 and other things in criminal justice reform...let Gendron go? dismiss all charges due to speedy trial reform? Is he not a danger to public and will likely cause more harm& danger to community?

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kanooker OP t1_iwn4lnp wrote

You're so fucking dumb. That would never happen. I'm agreeing there needs to be a dangerousness standard but you've been radicalized to disagree by reflex. Lemming.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn4pru wrote

so you allow to make a hypothetical case for your argument but I am not....got it

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kanooker OP t1_iwn4sa7 wrote

That would never happen lemming.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn4wn2 wrote

but allowed per speedy trial reform right if it happen?

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kanooker OP t1_iwn53i8 wrote

That's for shoplifters you want to languish at Rykers because you're a racist. Lemming

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn58mv wrote

except we have cases that are not shopfitters getting off on 30.30 and guess what attempted homicides are not a exception to 30.30

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kanooker OP t1_iwn5jsl wrote

Do you examples you can link to?

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn5oxf wrote

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kanooker OP t1_iwn5xu5 wrote

No buddy. I mean how many attempted murder cases have been thrown out?

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn61ey wrote

at least 2 cited in the law you refuse to read

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kanooker OP t1_iwn6dgg wrote

This is your totem isn't it? The sharp rise in crime from two people. Go on. Even the NYPost isn't saying that. Maybe you should lobby them.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn6roi wrote

way to deflect....so ok for Gendron to get off due speedy trial reform if he failed to kill anyone plus DA was backlog and failed to bring case due to time limit. got it.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwn7id0 wrote

its still a problem why DAs still citing how its impacting their prosecutions and even Hochul mention its on things to fix possibly in her 10 pt discussion of things to come if elected but heavily oppose by some dem elements

also still deflecting

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kanooker OP t1_iwn7pww wrote

It isn't happening crime isn't up because of it. You don't even have the numbers of how many have been dismissed.

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FarmSuch5021 t1_iwlhrsi wrote

Of course innocent until proven guilty. Pushing someone on the tracks, assaulting people on the train. You are innocent and just waiting for your conviction.

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wefarrell t1_iwlj29k wrote

People who push people onto tracks are not being released without bail.

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FarmSuch5021 t1_iwljja7 wrote

Tell me about it. This is a convicted felon who was also on parole. He beat up a guy and fractured his skull. Released without bail. No wonder Southern Brooklyn voted Republican.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/bui-van-phu-released-without-bail-bronx-sucker-punch-attack/

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HEIMDVLLR t1_iwlnqym wrote

Why are southern Brooklyn voters, voting Republican, over a crime committed in the Bronx?

The Bronx DA has no jurisdiction over Brooklyn.

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mowotlarx t1_iwlujb0 wrote

I suspect they don't know that each borough has its own elected DA and Alvin Bragg isn't the only DA for all of us.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_iwlzqp4 wrote

Correct.

Even the comments about Alvin Braggs be inaccurate. If everyone didn’t like what he was campaigning on, in favor of bail reform, then why didn’t they get the message out and vote against him. Instead they blame the people that voted for him without giving any context as to how those same voters, in favor of Braggs, are directly affected by cash-bails and the conditions of Rikers Island.

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