KaiDaiz t1_iwlkaem wrote
While everyone harps about bail reform. Speedy trial reform the other part of criminal justice reform is the real issue and driver of lack of prosecution of crimes and drives DAs to downgrade charges for offenses which contributes more to the revolving door atmosphere ppl feel about crime.
mowotlarx t1_iwludz0 wrote
This. There was a story the other day about how the Bronx DA office is down over 100 attorneys plus additional administration staff and are on the verge of trying to strike (they can't legally, but are threatening). The justice system is overburdened and way too slow. Rikers is as bad as it is because people can be trapped there for YEARS without a trial. It was never fair that, faced with the same slow system, some people could buy their way to release from jail and others were doomed to stay there because they couldn't afford bail.
Turbulent_Link1738 t1_iwlz36v wrote
They tried to go on strike this week and the DA threatened them with termination. Certain classes of city works are barred from protest.
mowotlarx t1_iwm2f2h wrote
Thanks to the Taylor Law all public employees in this state are barred from striking. Which is a real shame for almost all public workers. I'll exclude NYPD and Department of Corrections because we've allowed them to get away with a work stoppage for years.
kanooker OP t1_iwm39au wrote
>I'll exclude NYPD and Department of Corrections because we've allowed them to get away with a work stoppage for years.
That's exactly how they veto reform, by letting crime go up and blame reform.
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwm5hv3 wrote
Somebody posted here yesterday that cops went on strike in 2014 but crime went down anyway. Now people are saying they're on strike and crime is up. I can't wrap my head around all these crazy theories!
kanooker OP t1_iwm5s21 wrote
Ok well they have an opinion and I have proof out of Chicago. I'm not a defunder like most people aren't.
Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/CF6Aa
Look at the arrest rates https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZAyXkEWAAANtKY?format=jpg&name=medium
And the murder numbers
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfcowitXkAE_IC5?format=png&name=small
Same thing in 2020
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-murder-spike-of-2020-when-police-pull-back-11626969547
This is what police do to fight reform
>The officers’ colleagues responded by pulling back on the job, doing only the bare minimum in the following weeks. In the resulting void, crews seized new drug corners and settled old scores. Homicides surged to record levels and case-closure rates plunged. “The police stopped doing their jobs, and let people fuck up other people,” Carl Stokes, a former Democratic city councilor in Baltimore, told me last year. “Period. End of story.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/how-stop-police-pullback/615730/
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmcgvh wrote
You realize the arrest rates declined because of a change of political environment and legalization of marijuana and other low level stuff? Or did you think you were going to get away with posting a pretty little chart as if it made some kind of point?
kanooker OP t1_iwmcrzx wrote
Lmao changes in political climate don't you mean hurt fealings? Yeah good excuse bruh.
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmj8kf wrote
Where in the world are you talking about? You've heard every big city politician and district attorney use the word decriminalization. What do you think that means?
kanooker OP t1_iwmjpbp wrote
I think I showed you they aren't doing their jobs. It's their job to arrest people. They aren't arresting people for major crimes, not just the shop lifting you're talking about. But this is all about blaming Democrats so you'll find a way. Notice I'm blaming cops. Who don't have to be part of any party.
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmll6f wrote
You're clinging so hard to your beliefs that you refuse to consider a possibility you are interpreting data wrong. If you want to isolate the index crime arrest rate going down since 2001, the statistic is meaningless without comparing it to the decline of actual reported index crimes in the same city during the same 20-year period.
kanooker OP t1_iwmlq6s wrote
Who reports crime clown face?
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmqfdw wrote
So you're going to cite data, until it doesn't agree with you, then it's a conspiracy lollllll
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parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmqwct wrote
I can just picture your neckbeard twitching in front of your MacBook furiously typing away thinking you just banged out a sick burn.
kanooker OP t1_iwmr3of wrote
haha, nah def not that clown or should I say real estate agent, or salesperson, or broker? Clown.....
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_allycat t1_iwpdgxk wrote
My understanding is city employees have been a huge part of the great resignation. Their wages are lower than companies (supposed to be outweighed by benefits but yall know things don't keep up) and they had to put up with so much crap from Covid whoever hadn't been laid off earlier left instead.
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwmd9a8 wrote
In the business I work in the government mandated all these steps had to be followed within a 3 day time limit for every consumer. Every company accross the country had to comply. So every company came up with a solution. Some hired more people. Some changed processes and procedures. Many used IT solutions or a combination of all of the above and Armageddon did not happen.
In the public sector the DAs have to meet certain deadlines to ensure people have some basic common sense rights for people who are presumed and maybe innocent. Though they just claim they can't do their jobs. These smart lawyers apparently have no ability to change their processes and procedures to conform with the new law.
Plus in the end there should have never needed to even be a law. Everyone that is charged has a right to a speedy fair trial. Somehow over time this was changed to it takes a year to get even the simplest charged decided if you want a trial. Though somehow it' was still considered a speedy fair trial. Plead or rot in jail because you could not make bail and we won't even show you the evidence we have because if you don't plead we may or may not sandbag you right before trial. That is not justice
KaiDaiz t1_iwmemch wrote
When you have defense lawyers no longer claiming their client is innocent but rather the time to prosecute has expired you know the reform was shiet. This is the norm right now in our courts.
Now, regarding speedy trial reform. If you want to reform and put a finite time frame but provide no resources or means to achieve set deadline, it's a failure of a reform.
Speedy trial reform should be suspended just like what we did during covid until we have the proper resources and finish clearing out our backlog to properly implement it.
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwpq4c8 wrote
So do what the feds do and not arrest and charge someone before you finish the investigation. Make sure you can comply with discovery. Maybe come up with a new computer system where the procecutors can share the discovery with the defense at the click of a button. The procecutors should be screeming that they need more resources or a computer system or whatever solution they want. Lawyers are some of the smartest people in the country and they can't figure out how to get evidence to a defendant in a timely manner?
kanooker OP t1_iwmlys3 wrote
>When you have defense lawyers no longer claiming their client is innocent but rather the time to prosecute has expired you know the reform was shiet. This is the norm right now in our courts.
Are they wrong? Does the law say you are supposed to represent your client or not?
KaiDaiz t1_iwmmo0j wrote
Pointing out the dramatic shift in defense tactics since speedy trial reform went into effect in our court rooms. Defense now simply cite 30.30 at every given chance now. Also happening in cases we know the perp did the deed as well. Its not like we don't have evidence they did it, defense wants it all toss out pre-trial because of time limits from reform
kanooker OP t1_iwmn35d wrote
>Defense now simply cite 30.30 at every given chance now.
My friend defense attorneys work for the defendant.
It would be malpractice otherwise and they could lose their license if they don't use every defense available to them.
What's wrong with you?
KaiDaiz t1_iwmncyz wrote
yes lets criminals we know did the deed walk. walk before a jury has a chance to listen to case. great reform. hence why its contributing to feeling of increased crime and nothing done about it
kanooker OP t1_iwmnly1 wrote
They are doing their jobs, it's against the law not to. What don't you understand?
KaiDaiz t1_iwmnrun wrote
then don't object to why ppl complaining crime is increasing bc of it
kanooker OP t1_iwmognq wrote
Are you a child? Do you have evidence that there are that many people using this defense and then getting arrested again? No. You are just using your imagination and your feelings.
KaiDaiz t1_iwmpiks wrote
plenty of cases of of folks caught in act and go unprosecuted bc of 30.30 and in one I recall regarding a driver that killed someone, case dismiss due to reform and continues to be reckless on road. future victim in the waiting.
kanooker OP t1_iwmqicz wrote
Plenty of folks are anecdotes. Statistics are statistics. Stop trying to convince your mom, this is the internet.
KaiDaiz t1_iwmr3em wrote
you know you can read those cases and if you want stats. Ask the DA offices around NYC. See how much increased drop cases since reform enacted. We have Bronx, Queens and other DA office in state go to press saying its hampering their prosecution efforts.
kanooker OP t1_iwmre4f wrote
How about you show me. NYC has stats online.
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwpr0d4 wrote
It's not the defense attorney who is wrong. The procecutors are wrong. They are not doing their job. I would be they are doing the same thing they have done for 50 years and have not changed their policies and procedures to conform to the law. It was BS for decades how procecutors could just withhold evidence sandbagging a defendent then delay everything for a very long time till the defendent pleads guilty or not just to get on with their life. When 98% of the cases are just a negotiation between procecutor and defense attorney without actual trials anymore os their really justice.
Everyone knows the game. Over charge. Dangle the trial penalty over the defendent. If they are already locked up on bail all the better. The procecutors hide what they really have to just before a trial thats never going to happen. Then negotiate the charges down to clear the cases guilty or not.
I am not saying the procecutors do t thing the person is not guilty. I am sure they do. Though that's the jury's job. They are effectively the procecutor, jury (they just plead everything)and judge ( they decided what evidence to share before the eventual plea) in every case for the last 30 or 40 years.
Bluehorsesho3 t1_iwmrczs wrote
It’s a revolving door because it’s too expensive to keep people locked up for petty crimes. Honestly, if you did lock up most of the petty criminals for long periods of time the police would likely go back to harassing everyday citizens for “activity”.
The petty criminals allow the culture of collars for dollars to exist in the first place.
KaiDaiz t1_iwms3lu wrote
its not just petty crime getting let out due to section 30.30. We have DUI/DWIs some with serious injuries and fatalities, drug possession, gun charges, abuse, assaults, robbery, etc all citing 30.30 why their charges be dismiss. Again they not claiming they innocent...but simply claim time has expired to prosecute and for jury to hear their case due to backlog especially due to covid. The reform was never envision as a means for these perps to escape justice.
Bluehorsesho3 t1_iwmtgv3 wrote
“Justice” is a bizarre concept these days.
KaiDaiz t1_iwmudf5 wrote
Funny enough its possible for someone to try to murder you and failed and escape prosecution if the DA is backed up and enough time pass due to speedy trial reform. Justice as you said bizarre concept these days
Bluehorsesho3 t1_iwmwvs9 wrote
It’s bad policy, history of abusive policing and Covid backlogs that got us here.
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