PandaJ108 t1_iwlo9dk wrote
Some great defenses presented here by the writer.
“The kid almost shot his own crotch off as police roughed him up—clearly he was not a wannabe cop killer.”
Great, he ain’t a wannabe cop killer. He just another person walking around with an illegal gun on multiple occasions. Shockingly he was busted again with a gun. Keep on releasing him back to the streets. He will end up dead or kill somebody with everybody then asking “how could this have happened?”
“Nash did have assault on his record. It’s not clear what he did, but it couldn’t have been worse than hitting or even shoving someone since he was charged with class-A misdemeanor, the lowest charge for assault. Felony assault remains bail-eligible.”
Nash had racked up 12 other arrest across numerous states. So somebody with 12 arrest is randomly punching people and the author thinks “whoop, class A misdemeanor, no big deal”
“The career criminal has racked up at least a dozen arrests in New York and New Jersey dating back to 2012, when he was just a teen, according to court records and sources.”
Assamad Nash charged in Chinatown murder of Christina Yuna Lee
“Elliot, 63, was socked in the face by murder suspect Assamad Nash, 25, in September at the Grand Street subway station – mere blocks from Christina Yuna Lee’s Chrystie Street apartment where she was slaughtered early Sunday morning.”
Prior victim of alleged Chinatown killer Assamad Nash says ‘Lock him up!’
The last two cases seem to be blocked from reading unless one subscribes. Based on the first two I can only imagine what the other cases were.
williamwchuang t1_iwmicih wrote
In the first case, the new bail law didn't change the outcome. He was assessed $250,000.00 cash bail, and was able to make it. He wasn't simply released without bail. Blaming this on cash bail reform is a flat out lie.
PandaJ108 t1_iwnm5bn wrote
So he is released due to some other flaws in the criminal justice system. At the end of the day, somebody who makes a habit of walking around with an illegal gun is out in the streets.
While politicians are going back and forth blaming each other, New Yorkers are the ones that have to deal with the person walking around with the illegal gun. Or with the guy with 12+ arrest who is randomly punching and killing people.
williamwchuang t1_iwojsk4 wrote
I'm sorry to tell you that no system in the world is going to be perfect. You can lock everyone up like we did back in the 80s and '90s under the Rockefeller laws and there's always going to be someone who slips by. It's just naive for you to sit here and pretend that there was a system where because of eliminated any sort of mistake.
Again, it's moving the goal posts. The point of article is that Eric Adams is lying about bail reform and the first example is a perfect reason of why Eric Adams is lying about bail reform. And then when you are faced with that you just change the subject. But the point is that Eric Adams is lying about Bail reform.
PandaJ108 t1_iwpp987 wrote
There a wide gap between perfect and keeping people with a documented history of violence off the streets. Like the guy mentioned in the 2nd example. There is reason you latched on the first example only.
What’s the reason for Nash “slipping by”? Arrest in multiple states including for robbery. Randomly assaulting people in the streets.
It seems like every subway shover that been arrested is somebody with 10+ arrest that just happen to slip by as well. Seems like your willing to accept that as the norm cause “no system is perfect”. Most New Yorkers won’t.
Remanding repeat violent offenders into custody does not mean locking everybody up like in 80s. It’s literally the exact opposite.
williamwchuang t1_iwprigp wrote
Again, the point is that the article is correct in that Eric Adams is a lying through his f****** teeth and you refuse to agree to that.
FizzyJews t1_iwpu86r wrote
I really enjoyed this thread.
kanooker OP t1_iwlon8b wrote
>Shockingly he was busted again with a gun
It's worth noting that people who don't want these bail reform laws also support people having a gun no matter what. IE 2A absolutists.
BakedBread65 t1_iwlz80m wrote
What an absolute strawman
kanooker OP t1_iwlzhaq wrote
Why? He's bringing up he got caught with a gun, and there should have been some sort of punishment just for that. In your world there is no punishment just for having a gun right?
drpvn t1_iwlxdwl wrote
And people who wanted these bail reform laws also argued before the Supreme Court in favor of invalidating NY’s gun restrictions.
kanooker OP t1_iwlxu15 wrote
Who are also ok with 80% of guns used in crimes coming from states with lax gun laws. Including private seller laws that allow a private seller to sell to anyone without a background check.
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/firearms-trace-data-new-york-2021
drpvn t1_iwly0ii wrote
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say in this comment.
kanooker OP t1_iwly9uf wrote
People who hate bail reform also don't care who has a gun.
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kanooker OP t1_iwmjwis wrote
True or false Chris Christie passed bail reform in NJ and it continues to be one of the safest states in the country?
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kanooker OP t1_iwmktcb wrote
You have no idea.....maybe look it up.
What are the statistics of people committing crime out on bail?
Do you have any idea or do I need to look that up for you too?
You realize cops aren't doing their jobs and crime rose because people hurt their feelings right?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-murder-spike-of-2020-when-police-pull-back-11626969547
drpvn t1_iwlzkit wrote
Not always true. I dislike bail reform and I’m pro gun control.
And like I said, some of the people who lobbied for bail reform were directly involved in the Second Amendment case that overturned NY’s gun restrictions. I’m talking about the Bronx Defenders and other defenders’ offices.
kanooker OP t1_iwlztes wrote
Some things do happen in this world, like how you are pro gun control and anti-bail reform. Most of these people however are unlike you and don't want restrictions on guns.
drpvn t1_iwm23li wrote
Things do happen, like public defenders’ offices who support bail reform also opposing NY’s gun restrictions. But guilt by association is an unreliable heuristic.
kanooker OP t1_iwm2pyy wrote
Yet those people don't represent the overwhelming majority of VOTERS on the right who hate bail reform, and also hate restrictions on guns.... or the left who are pro bail reform and pro gun restrictions. But now you're gonna make a case for bears who shit in NYC, and not the woods.
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