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KaiDaiz t1_iwmncyz wrote

yes lets criminals we know did the deed walk. walk before a jury has a chance to listen to case. great reform. hence why its contributing to feeling of increased crime and nothing done about it

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kanooker OP t1_iwmnly1 wrote

They are doing their jobs, it's against the law not to. What don't you understand?

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KaiDaiz t1_iwmnrun wrote

then don't object to why ppl complaining crime is increasing bc of it

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kanooker OP t1_iwmognq wrote

Are you a child? Do you have evidence that there are that many people using this defense and then getting arrested again? No. You are just using your imagination and your feelings.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwmpiks wrote

plenty of cases of of folks caught in act and go unprosecuted bc of 30.30 and in one I recall regarding a driver that killed someone, case dismiss due to reform and continues to be reckless on road. future victim in the waiting.

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kanooker OP t1_iwmqicz wrote

Plenty of folks are anecdotes. Statistics are statistics. Stop trying to convince your mom, this is the internet.

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KaiDaiz t1_iwmr3em wrote

you know you can read those cases and if you want stats. Ask the DA offices around NYC. See how much increased drop cases since reform enacted. We have Bronx, Queens and other DA office in state go to press saying its hampering their prosecution efforts.

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kanooker OP t1_iwmre4f wrote

How about you show me. NYC has stats online.

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ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwpr0d4 wrote

It's not the defense attorney who is wrong. The procecutors are wrong. They are not doing their job. I would be they are doing the same thing they have done for 50 years and have not changed their policies and procedures to conform to the law. It was BS for decades how procecutors could just withhold evidence sandbagging a defendent then delay everything for a very long time till the defendent pleads guilty or not just to get on with their life. When 98% of the cases are just a negotiation between procecutor and defense attorney without actual trials anymore os their really justice.

Everyone knows the game. Over charge. Dangle the trial penalty over the defendent. If they are already locked up on bail all the better. The procecutors hide what they really have to just before a trial thats never going to happen. Then negotiate the charges down to clear the cases guilty or not.

I am not saying the procecutors do t thing the person is not guilty. I am sure they do. Though that's the jury's job. They are effectively the procecutor, jury (they just plead everything)and judge ( they decided what evidence to share before the eventual plea) in every case for the last 30 or 40 years.

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