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kanooker OP t1_iwlhav6 wrote
While it needs fixing bail reform is obviously working in NJ. Which has some of the lowest crime rates in the nation.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-least-and-most-crime/
wefarrell t1_iwlhiy1 wrote
They haven't been convicted and are not criminals.
FarmSuch5021 t1_iwlhrsi wrote
Of course innocent until proven guilty. Pushing someone on the tracks, assaulting people on the train. You are innocent and just waiting for your conviction.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwli32l wrote
Courts in NJ have a public safety discretion though.
kanooker OP t1_iwlirvc wrote
That's why I said it needs fixing but there is a similar provision
>New York’s Criminal Procedure Law sets forth the laws on bail, and sections 530.20, 530.40, and 530.50 have revised sections. On May 9, 2022, the new laws go into effect.
>In short, the revisions give judges more discretion in deciding bail for qualifying offenses, particularly where a person has more than one case pending trial. Moving forward, a judge may consider an individual’s history of using a gun, whether they were charged with causing serious harm, and if they have violated an Order of Protection. Additionally, hate crimes and certain gun offenses are now qualifying offenses.
>Notably, however, lawmakers refused to introduce a “dangerousness” standard into bail considerations. Since 1971, New York’s bail laws have prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail.
https://pappalardolaw.com/2022/04/bail-laws-revised-ny-2022-2023-budget/
wefarrell t1_iwlj29k wrote
People who push people onto tracks are not being released without bail.
kanooker OP t1_iwlj8vp wrote
Payton Gendron should not be allowed out on bail right?
FarmSuch5021 t1_iwljja7 wrote
Tell me about it. This is a convicted felon who was also on parole. He beat up a guy and fractured his skull. Released without bail. No wonder Southern Brooklyn voted Republican.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/bui-van-phu-released-without-bail-bronx-sucker-punch-attack/
KaiDaiz t1_iwlkaem wrote
While everyone harps about bail reform. Speedy trial reform the other part of criminal justice reform is the real issue and driver of lack of prosecution of crimes and drives DAs to downgrade charges for offenses which contributes more to the revolving door atmosphere ppl feel about crime.
NetQuarterLatte t1_iwll98l wrote
That only addresses a fraction of repeat offenders, though.
It's a rather timid progress, but progress nonetheless.
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>Notably, however, lawmakers refused to introduce a “dangerousness” standard into bail considerations.
"Refused" is quite an understatement.
Stewart-Cousins threatened to hold climate change and gun control bills hostage in order to block adding a dangerousness standard.
>She urged advocates to send emails and push back against calls for changing the law, such as allowing judges to consider "dangerousness when determining whether a person accused of a crime should be remanded to a local jail.
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>Stewart-Cousins in her talk with the activist group warned issues like gun control, efforts to curtail climate change and further criminal justice law changes are at risk of not getting done if the opponents of the bail law are successful.
kanooker OP t1_iwllx0a wrote
Yeah I'm not gonna disagree if you all would concede some things maybe they would too because this is all a pissing contest that makes everything anyone wants on the other side of anything automatically wrong.
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mowotlarx t1_iwlmaf0 wrote
He's waving the bloody flag. He's drumming up support using fear and hysteria the way other conservatives do. Fear is a very powerful tool for politicians.
It worked so far. But eventually it'll stop working and he's stuck with a perception of crime that he can't fix because it's not real.
wefarrell t1_iwln0di wrote
Of course not.
kanooker OP t1_iwlnafw wrote
What would keep him in jail if he was only charged with State charges? He has no prior gun charges. There does need to be a dangerousness standard. I say this as a progressive.
HEIMDVLLR t1_iwlnqym wrote
Why are southern Brooklyn voters, voting Republican, over a crime committed in the Bronx?
The Bronx DA has no jurisdiction over Brooklyn.
PandaJ108 t1_iwlo9dk wrote
Some great defenses presented here by the writer.
“The kid almost shot his own crotch off as police roughed him up—clearly he was not a wannabe cop killer.”
Great, he ain’t a wannabe cop killer. He just another person walking around with an illegal gun on multiple occasions. Shockingly he was busted again with a gun. Keep on releasing him back to the streets. He will end up dead or kill somebody with everybody then asking “how could this have happened?”
“Nash did have assault on his record. It’s not clear what he did, but it couldn’t have been worse than hitting or even shoving someone since he was charged with class-A misdemeanor, the lowest charge for assault. Felony assault remains bail-eligible.”
Nash had racked up 12 other arrest across numerous states. So somebody with 12 arrest is randomly punching people and the author thinks “whoop, class A misdemeanor, no big deal”
“The career criminal has racked up at least a dozen arrests in New York and New Jersey dating back to 2012, when he was just a teen, according to court records and sources.”
Assamad Nash charged in Chinatown murder of Christina Yuna Lee
“Elliot, 63, was socked in the face by murder suspect Assamad Nash, 25, in September at the Grand Street subway station – mere blocks from Christina Yuna Lee’s Chrystie Street apartment where she was slaughtered early Sunday morning.”
Prior victim of alleged Chinatown killer Assamad Nash says ‘Lock him up!’
The last two cases seem to be blocked from reading unless one subscribes. Based on the first two I can only imagine what the other cases were.
kanooker OP t1_iwlon8b wrote
>Shockingly he was busted again with a gun
It's worth noting that people who don't want these bail reform laws also support people having a gun no matter what. IE 2A absolutists.
wefarrell t1_iwloze8 wrote
Right, jail should be used to protect the rest of society from potentially dangerous individuals while they wait for trial.
It should not be used as a means of punishing people before they are convicted of a crime.
kanooker OP t1_iwlp507 wrote
So there should be a dangerousness standard right? Because if there wasn't he'd be out on bail.
kanooker OP t1_iwltie9 wrote
Because it's about corruption not just crime
mowotlarx t1_iwludz0 wrote
This. There was a story the other day about how the Bronx DA office is down over 100 attorneys plus additional administration staff and are on the verge of trying to strike (they can't legally, but are threatening). The justice system is overburdened and way too slow. Rikers is as bad as it is because people can be trapped there for YEARS without a trial. It was never fair that, faced with the same slow system, some people could buy their way to release from jail and others were doomed to stay there because they couldn't afford bail.
mowotlarx t1_iwlujb0 wrote
I suspect they don't know that each borough has its own elected DA and Alvin Bragg isn't the only DA for all of us.
drpvn t1_iwlx4tq wrote
It’s a case study in four crimes.
kanooker OP t1_iwlx8of wrote
.....and how he lied for political gain, right? That's corruption my friend.
drpvn t1_iwlxdwl wrote
And people who wanted these bail reform laws also argued before the Supreme Court in favor of invalidating NY’s gun restrictions.
drpvn t1_iwlxhpn wrote
So a story about how bail reform defenders are lying about bail reform, with discussions of specific crimes, that’s ok, too?
kanooker OP t1_iwlxu15 wrote
Who are also ok with 80% of guns used in crimes coming from states with lax gun laws. Including private seller laws that allow a private seller to sell to anyone without a background check.
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/firearms-trace-data-new-york-2021
drpvn t1_iwly0ii wrote
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say in this comment.
kanooker OP t1_iwly39t wrote
A lot of people lie, the Mayor is the leader of the city.
kanooker OP t1_iwly9uf wrote
People who hate bail reform also don't care who has a gun.
Turbulent_Link1738 t1_iwlz36v wrote
They tried to go on strike this week and the DA threatened them with termination. Certain classes of city works are barred from protest.
BakedBread65 t1_iwlz80m wrote
What an absolute strawman
kanooker OP t1_iwlzhaq wrote
Why? He's bringing up he got caught with a gun, and there should have been some sort of punishment just for that. In your world there is no punishment just for having a gun right?
drpvn t1_iwlzkit wrote
Not always true. I dislike bail reform and I’m pro gun control.
And like I said, some of the people who lobbied for bail reform were directly involved in the Second Amendment case that overturned NY’s gun restrictions. I’m talking about the Bronx Defenders and other defenders’ offices.
HEIMDVLLR t1_iwlzqp4 wrote
Correct.
Even the comments about Alvin Braggs be inaccurate. If everyone didn’t like what he was campaigning on, in favor of bail reform, then why didn’t they get the message out and vote against him. Instead they blame the people that voted for him without giving any context as to how those same voters, in favor of Braggs, are directly affected by cash-bails and the conditions of Rikers Island.
kanooker OP t1_iwlztes wrote
Some things do happen in this world, like how you are pro gun control and anti-bail reform. Most of these people however are unlike you and don't want restrictions on guns.
drpvn t1_iwm23li wrote
Things do happen, like public defenders’ offices who support bail reform also opposing NY’s gun restrictions. But guilt by association is an unreliable heuristic.
mowotlarx t1_iwm2f2h wrote
Thanks to the Taylor Law all public employees in this state are barred from striking. Which is a real shame for almost all public workers. I'll exclude NYPD and Department of Corrections because we've allowed them to get away with a work stoppage for years.
kanooker OP t1_iwm2pyy wrote
Yet those people don't represent the overwhelming majority of VOTERS on the right who hate bail reform, and also hate restrictions on guns.... or the left who are pro bail reform and pro gun restrictions. But now you're gonna make a case for bears who shit in NYC, and not the woods.
kanooker OP t1_iwm39au wrote
>I'll exclude NYPD and Department of Corrections because we've allowed them to get away with a work stoppage for years.
That's exactly how they veto reform, by letting crime go up and blame reform.
drpvn t1_iwm4tsn wrote
Just make an argument about bail reform on its merits. Guilt by association is a weak argument.
kanooker OP t1_iwm4yua wrote
Wait isn't op associating gun ownership with guilt?
Woooooosh
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwm5hv3 wrote
Somebody posted here yesterday that cops went on strike in 2014 but crime went down anyway. Now people are saying they're on strike and crime is up. I can't wrap my head around all these crazy theories!
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwm5pie wrote
"rikers has the fewest amount of people since WW2 and we are safer for it!" - the prior mayor in 2020
kanooker OP t1_iwm5s21 wrote
Ok well they have an opinion and I have proof out of Chicago. I'm not a defunder like most people aren't.
Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/CF6Aa
Look at the arrest rates https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZAyXkEWAAANtKY?format=jpg&name=medium
And the murder numbers
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfcowitXkAE_IC5?format=png&name=small
Same thing in 2020
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-murder-spike-of-2020-when-police-pull-back-11626969547
This is what police do to fight reform
>The officers’ colleagues responded by pulling back on the job, doing only the bare minimum in the following weeks. In the resulting void, crews seized new drug corners and settled old scores. Homicides surged to record levels and case-closure rates plunged. “The police stopped doing their jobs, and let people fuck up other people,” Carl Stokes, a former Democratic city councilor in Baltimore, told me last year. “Period. End of story.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/how-stop-police-pullback/615730/
kanooker OP t1_iwm66uj wrote
What was the crime rate year over year when he said that? Did someone stop you from posting it?
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmc85z wrote
Maybe the complete violence and mayhem that befalled the city in the second half of 2020 didn't make it to the news where you were, but shooting rates skyrocketed as he was making that announcement.
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmcgvh wrote
You realize the arrest rates declined because of a change of political environment and legalization of marijuana and other low level stuff? Or did you think you were going to get away with posting a pretty little chart as if it made some kind of point?
kanooker OP t1_iwmck2n wrote
Dude you literally had cops themselves saying it was because of the pullback.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-murder-spike-of-2020-when-police-pull-back-11626969547
kanooker OP t1_iwmcrzx wrote
Lmao changes in political climate don't you mean hurt fealings? Yeah good excuse bruh.
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwmd9a8 wrote
In the business I work in the government mandated all these steps had to be followed within a 3 day time limit for every consumer. Every company accross the country had to comply. So every company came up with a solution. Some hired more people. Some changed processes and procedures. Many used IT solutions or a combination of all of the above and Armageddon did not happen.
In the public sector the DAs have to meet certain deadlines to ensure people have some basic common sense rights for people who are presumed and maybe innocent. Though they just claim they can't do their jobs. These smart lawyers apparently have no ability to change their processes and procedures to conform with the new law.
Plus in the end there should have never needed to even be a law. Everyone that is charged has a right to a speedy fair trial. Somehow over time this was changed to it takes a year to get even the simplest charged decided if you want a trial. Though somehow it' was still considered a speedy fair trial. Plead or rot in jail because you could not make bail and we won't even show you the evidence we have because if you don't plead we may or may not sandbag you right before trial. That is not justice
KaiDaiz t1_iwmemch wrote
When you have defense lawyers no longer claiming their client is innocent but rather the time to prosecute has expired you know the reform was shiet. This is the norm right now in our courts.
Now, regarding speedy trial reform. If you want to reform and put a finite time frame but provide no resources or means to achieve set deadline, it's a failure of a reform.
Speedy trial reform should be suspended just like what we did during covid until we have the proper resources and finish clearing out our backlog to properly implement it.
williamwchuang t1_iwmicih wrote
In the first case, the new bail law didn't change the outcome. He was assessed $250,000.00 cash bail, and was able to make it. He wasn't simply released without bail. Blaming this on cash bail reform is a flat out lie.
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmj8kf wrote
Where in the world are you talking about? You've heard every big city politician and district attorney use the word decriminalization. What do you think that means?
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kanooker OP t1_iwmjpbp wrote
I think I showed you they aren't doing their jobs. It's their job to arrest people. They aren't arresting people for major crimes, not just the shop lifting you're talking about. But this is all about blaming Democrats so you'll find a way. Notice I'm blaming cops. Who don't have to be part of any party.
kanooker OP t1_iwmjwis wrote
True or false Chris Christie passed bail reform in NJ and it continues to be one of the safest states in the country?
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kanooker OP t1_iwmktcb wrote
You have no idea.....maybe look it up.
What are the statistics of people committing crime out on bail?
Do you have any idea or do I need to look that up for you too?
You realize cops aren't doing their jobs and crime rose because people hurt their feelings right?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-murder-spike-of-2020-when-police-pull-back-11626969547
parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmll6f wrote
You're clinging so hard to your beliefs that you refuse to consider a possibility you are interpreting data wrong. If you want to isolate the index crime arrest rate going down since 2001, the statistic is meaningless without comparing it to the decline of actual reported index crimes in the same city during the same 20-year period.
kanooker OP t1_iwmlq6s wrote
Who reports crime clown face?
kanooker OP t1_iwmlys3 wrote
>When you have defense lawyers no longer claiming their client is innocent but rather the time to prosecute has expired you know the reform was shiet. This is the norm right now in our courts.
Are they wrong? Does the law say you are supposed to represent your client or not?
KaiDaiz t1_iwmmo0j wrote
Pointing out the dramatic shift in defense tactics since speedy trial reform went into effect in our court rooms. Defense now simply cite 30.30 at every given chance now. Also happening in cases we know the perp did the deed as well. Its not like we don't have evidence they did it, defense wants it all toss out pre-trial because of time limits from reform
kanooker OP t1_iwmn35d wrote
>Defense now simply cite 30.30 at every given chance now.
My friend defense attorneys work for the defendant.
It would be malpractice otherwise and they could lose their license if they don't use every defense available to them.
What's wrong with you?
KaiDaiz t1_iwmncyz wrote
yes lets criminals we know did the deed walk. walk before a jury has a chance to listen to case. great reform. hence why its contributing to feeling of increased crime and nothing done about it
kanooker OP t1_iwmnly1 wrote
They are doing their jobs, it's against the law not to. What don't you understand?
KaiDaiz t1_iwmnrun wrote
then don't object to why ppl complaining crime is increasing bc of it
kanooker OP t1_iwmognq wrote
Are you a child? Do you have evidence that there are that many people using this defense and then getting arrested again? No. You are just using your imagination and your feelings.
KaiDaiz t1_iwmpiks wrote
plenty of cases of of folks caught in act and go unprosecuted bc of 30.30 and in one I recall regarding a driver that killed someone, case dismiss due to reform and continues to be reckless on road. future victim in the waiting.
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parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmqfdw wrote
So you're going to cite data, until it doesn't agree with you, then it's a conspiracy lollllll
kanooker OP t1_iwmqicz wrote
Plenty of folks are anecdotes. Statistics are statistics. Stop trying to convince your mom, this is the internet.
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parkslopeymcamanager t1_iwmqwct wrote
I can just picture your neckbeard twitching in front of your MacBook furiously typing away thinking you just banged out a sick burn.
KaiDaiz t1_iwmr3em wrote
you know you can read those cases and if you want stats. Ask the DA offices around NYC. See how much increased drop cases since reform enacted. We have Bronx, Queens and other DA office in state go to press saying its hampering their prosecution efforts.
kanooker OP t1_iwmr3of wrote
haha, nah def not that clown or should I say real estate agent, or salesperson, or broker? Clown.....
PorchHonky t1_iwmrbul wrote
He must love this sub then!
Bluehorsesho3 t1_iwmrczs wrote
It’s a revolving door because it’s too expensive to keep people locked up for petty crimes. Honestly, if you did lock up most of the petty criminals for long periods of time the police would likely go back to harassing everyday citizens for “activity”.
The petty criminals allow the culture of collars for dollars to exist in the first place.
kanooker OP t1_iwmre4f wrote
How about you show me. NYC has stats online.
KaiDaiz t1_iwms3lu wrote
its not just petty crime getting let out due to section 30.30. We have DUI/DWIs some with serious injuries and fatalities, drug possession, gun charges, abuse, assaults, robbery, etc all citing 30.30 why their charges be dismiss. Again they not claiming they innocent...but simply claim time has expired to prosecute and for jury to hear their case due to backlog especially due to covid. The reform was never envision as a means for these perps to escape justice.
Bluehorsesho3 t1_iwmtgv3 wrote
“Justice” is a bizarre concept these days.
KaiDaiz t1_iwmudf5 wrote
Funny enough its possible for someone to try to murder you and failed and escape prosecution if the DA is backed up and enough time pass due to speedy trial reform. Justice as you said bizarre concept these days
Bluehorsesho3 t1_iwmwvs9 wrote
It’s bad policy, history of abusive policing and Covid backlogs that got us here.
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kanooker OP t1_iwmyumu wrote
Well maybe conservatives should focus on that one part instead of the whole law and you can change minds but they'd rather go scorched earth because it's a better political strategy for a power grab.
A conservative governor in NJ did it. Why can't they?
KaiDaiz t1_iwn24ua wrote
So if Gendron failed to kill anyone that day and only maimed and charged with attempted murder of folks and say DA failed to bring case to trial in time due to backlog and whatever. Defense cites 30.30 and other things in criminal justice reform...let Gendron go? dismiss all charges due to speedy trial reform? Is he not a danger to public and will likely cause more harm& danger to community?
kanooker OP t1_iwn4lnp wrote
You're so fucking dumb. That would never happen. I'm agreeing there needs to be a dangerousness standard but you've been radicalized to disagree by reflex. Lemming.
KaiDaiz t1_iwn4pru wrote
so you allow to make a hypothetical case for your argument but I am not....got it
kanooker OP t1_iwn4sa7 wrote
That would never happen lemming.
KaiDaiz t1_iwn4wn2 wrote
but allowed per speedy trial reform right if it happen?
kanooker OP t1_iwn53i8 wrote
That's for shoplifters you want to languish at Rykers because you're a racist. Lemming
KaiDaiz t1_iwn58mv wrote
except we have cases that are not shopfitters getting off on 30.30 and guess what attempted homicides are not a exception to 30.30
kanooker OP t1_iwn5jsl wrote
Do you examples you can link to?
KaiDaiz t1_iwn5oxf wrote
page 5 of the section 30.30
kanooker OP t1_iwn5xu5 wrote
No buddy. I mean how many attempted murder cases have been thrown out?
KaiDaiz t1_iwn61ey wrote
at least 2 cited in the law you refuse to read
kanooker OP t1_iwn6dgg wrote
This is your totem isn't it? The sharp rise in crime from two people. Go on. Even the NYPost isn't saying that. Maybe you should lobby them.
KaiDaiz t1_iwn6roi wrote
way to deflect....so ok for Gendron to get off due speedy trial reform if he failed to kill anyone plus DA was backlog and failed to bring case due to time limit. got it.
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KaiDaiz t1_iwn7id0 wrote
its still a problem why DAs still citing how its impacting their prosecutions and even Hochul mention its on things to fix possibly in her 10 pt discussion of things to come if elected but heavily oppose by some dem elements
also still deflecting
kanooker OP t1_iwn7pww wrote
It isn't happening crime isn't up because of it. You don't even have the numbers of how many have been dismissed.
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kanooker OP t1_iwn9k5n wrote
Basta, basta use your brain
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drpvn t1_iwnerih wrote
Better yet, rather than rant about what conservatives do, you should write or call your state senator or assemblyperson and say that you believe there should be a dangerousness standard. Let them know that their progressive constituents disagree with them on this so they don’t just assume it’s only conservatives who feel that way.
stewartm0205 t1_iwnfio5 wrote
Bail wasn’t meant as a punishment for being poor. It is an injustice to serve time before being found guilty. If you have a problem with repeat offenders then do not let them out. On their second indictment they stay until trial.
kanooker OP t1_iwnfs3b wrote
Better yet stop playing games and do the same with your law makers.
PandaJ108 t1_iwnm5bn wrote
So he is released due to some other flaws in the criminal justice system. At the end of the day, somebody who makes a habit of walking around with an illegal gun is out in the streets.
While politicians are going back and forth blaming each other, New Yorkers are the ones that have to deal with the person walking around with the illegal gun. Or with the guy with 12+ arrest who is randomly punching and killing people.
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Super-Perfect-Cell t1_iwnwz79 wrote
A pig lies about crime and bail? What a surprise!
drpvn t1_iwo0u4q wrote
I do. You’re a bit odd.
williamwchuang t1_iwojsk4 wrote
I'm sorry to tell you that no system in the world is going to be perfect. You can lock everyone up like we did back in the 80s and '90s under the Rockefeller laws and there's always going to be someone who slips by. It's just naive for you to sit here and pretend that there was a system where because of eliminated any sort of mistake.
Again, it's moving the goal posts. The point of article is that Eric Adams is lying about bail reform and the first example is a perfect reason of why Eric Adams is lying about bail reform. And then when you are faced with that you just change the subject. But the point is that Eric Adams is lying about Bail reform.
_allycat t1_iwpdgxk wrote
My understanding is city employees have been a huge part of the great resignation. Their wages are lower than companies (supposed to be outweighed by benefits but yall know things don't keep up) and they had to put up with so much crap from Covid whoever hadn't been laid off earlier left instead.
PandaJ108 t1_iwpp987 wrote
There a wide gap between perfect and keeping people with a documented history of violence off the streets. Like the guy mentioned in the 2nd example. There is reason you latched on the first example only.
What’s the reason for Nash “slipping by”? Arrest in multiple states including for robbery. Randomly assaulting people in the streets.
It seems like every subway shover that been arrested is somebody with 10+ arrest that just happen to slip by as well. Seems like your willing to accept that as the norm cause “no system is perfect”. Most New Yorkers won’t.
Remanding repeat violent offenders into custody does not mean locking everybody up like in 80s. It’s literally the exact opposite.
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwpq4c8 wrote
So do what the feds do and not arrest and charge someone before you finish the investigation. Make sure you can comply with discovery. Maybe come up with a new computer system where the procecutors can share the discovery with the defense at the click of a button. The procecutors should be screeming that they need more resources or a computer system or whatever solution they want. Lawyers are some of the smartest people in the country and they can't figure out how to get evidence to a defendant in a timely manner?
ChrisFromLongIsland t1_iwpr0d4 wrote
It's not the defense attorney who is wrong. The procecutors are wrong. They are not doing their job. I would be they are doing the same thing they have done for 50 years and have not changed their policies and procedures to conform to the law. It was BS for decades how procecutors could just withhold evidence sandbagging a defendent then delay everything for a very long time till the defendent pleads guilty or not just to get on with their life. When 98% of the cases are just a negotiation between procecutor and defense attorney without actual trials anymore os their really justice.
Everyone knows the game. Over charge. Dangle the trial penalty over the defendent. If they are already locked up on bail all the better. The procecutors hide what they really have to just before a trial thats never going to happen. Then negotiate the charges down to clear the cases guilty or not.
I am not saying the procecutors do t thing the person is not guilty. I am sure they do. Though that's the jury's job. They are effectively the procecutor, jury (they just plead everything)and judge ( they decided what evidence to share before the eventual plea) in every case for the last 30 or 40 years.
williamwchuang t1_iwprigp wrote
Again, the point is that the article is correct in that Eric Adams is a lying through his f****** teeth and you refuse to agree to that.
spicytoastaficionado t1_iwps7c3 wrote
This ceased to be a serious article when the author began downplaying how disastrous policies allowed Christina Lee's murderer to be walking free before he killed her, in addition to obscuring his criminal history.
The guy had, just a few months prior, randomly assaulted a subway commuter. The author claims it was "not clear what he did", even though his violent criminal history was widely reported in the aftermath of Lee's brutal slaying.
Ask yourself why this author is going out of her way to obscure the nature of Nash's violent criminal history.
Either she is a shitty journalist blogger who doesn't know how to use Google, or she is intentionally hiding details to fit her narrative. Going by her byline, it seems to be the latter as she appears to prefer innuendo over facts when writing advocacy pieces (which is all she does).
Assamad Nash assaulting a random subway commuter should have been enough to remand him into custody + mandate psychiatric evaluation, if we had a sensible justice system.
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On top of that, she then goes into how Nash had committed another crime shortly before murdering Ms. Lee. Again, she intentionally does not include what the actual crime was (damaging dozens of MetroCard machines in multiple subway stations) and instead speculates it could have been for squatting or accidentally damaging property.
And then there is this gem:
>Looked at from another perspective, if judges remanded suspects or set prohibitively high bail in the pettiest of crimes—damaged property worth a quarter of the cost of an iPhone, in this case—literally everyone arrested for anything would get sent to Rikers. How’s that tenable?
She specifies a specific crime, in this case property damage, but then shifts to "everyone arrested for anything" as a justification for why psychos who go around fucking up public property shouldn't be held pre-trial. Classic slippery slope fallacy.
No, detaining someone who goes around fucking up MetroCard machines doesn't mean every single misdemeanor offense leads to a Rikers stay. FFS.
Bringing back cash bail for more offenses isn't the answer. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the pretrial detention system so that psychos like the piece of shit who killed Ms. Lee are not allowed to just roam the city streets after assaulting people.
When people like this author obscure facts and misrepresent cases in order to push their talking points, it comes across as bad-faith hackery. It may be enough to fool gullible, low-information readers, which is probably the point given that is her audience, but she comes across as disingenuous to anyone who is even remotely researched on the cases mentioned.
FizzyJews t1_iwpu86r wrote
I really enjoyed this thread.
FarmSuch5021 t1_iwlgzzb wrote
Because of that bail reform there is no justice for the victims. Criminals have a free pass to do whatever they want