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Brucehandstrong t1_j26xm8p wrote

"The guards — employees of a firm launched by a top aide to Mayor Eric Adams"

We don't even care anymore huh?

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1600hazenstreet OP t1_j270yh9 wrote

Did you expect the mayor to go through procurement process? This was probably a no bid contract.

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avd706 t1_j27hj7g wrote

MTA is a State agency.

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1600hazenstreet OP t1_j25ngwy wrote

MTA will settle lawsuit for $250k.

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R_M_T t1_j26t210 wrote

Spoken like somebody who has never sued transit lol. TA / MTA are never in a rush to settle a case. This guy will have his work out for him to get a penny. Source: I’m an attorney who sues them on the reg.

They suck!

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Les923 t1_j271aq7 wrote

How long does the average lawsuit last from beginning to end? From starting the lawsuit through case closed/payment?

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R_M_T t1_j2745y3 wrote

They don’t pay… period (without deep litigation). So you have your incident, file your notice of claim (within 90 day), have your statutory hearing (hopefully within 60 days) and then you do your medical treatment…. 1 year and 90 days from the accident you are required to file suit and then the shit show known as litigation begins

If everything is in your favor, and the municipality decides to be cooperative, you can have discovery and despoliations done within a year and a half or 2 years… then you file a Note of Issue (states you are ready for trial)… the City courts are a fucking half decade behind right now so maybe no see a trial date within then 2 years following (5 years total)… and that is assuming all things fall your way

It’s an utter shit show out there when it comes to MTA/TA/MTA Bus /MABSTOA. A litigious, unorganized, municipal organization that spits in the Face of the public that pays its existence

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Les923 t1_j275hii wrote

OMG! I thought a nice chunk of MTA’s budget was going towards lawsuit payouts (like NYPD payouts) so where is the bulk of the MTA budget going towards? Because a lot of employees died & retired recently & I doubt that they hired any employees. They hired P/T consultants to clean the trains that worked for agencies, not MTA! They need to open the books because I’m sure there’s a lot of mismanagement going on

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R_M_T t1_j278hvo wrote

I wish I could tell you. The transit companies in NYC are shit. I can go on for days about their deficiencies. I can say confidently that their poor hiring and poor contract half left them in a position where they pay exorbitant amounts of money in “fake” Overtime and to their pensions. Source: so people don’t think I’m randomly anti-labor

If they were run properly, you wouldn’t even be able to wrap your head around the levels of efficiency and safety available for mass transit.

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Jerund t1_j27hsdu wrote

It’s a foreman. It’s upper management. Not your average worker taking in that much over time consistently. Should lock up those who committed fraud

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Vilnius_Nastavnik t1_j29ji50 wrote

I can't even tell you how many MTA employees came through my old firm looking to sue their foremen for racial discrimination, hostile work environment, retaliation etc. They're truly committed as an organization to fucking over anyone who isn't management.

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Jerund t1_j29jno6 wrote

A tale old as time. That’s every company. Upper management has company interest in line. Not your average worker

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The_Swoley_Ghost t1_j28b6py wrote

>If they were run properly, you wouldn’t even be able to wrap your head around the levels of efficiency and safety available for mass transit.

This is how i felt coming back from Korea. Cheaper system that is cleaner and works better.... if they could figure out how to keep it running 24/7 they'd be the greatest in my mind.

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R_M_T t1_j28dkoq wrote

And safely! They don’t even have “track” incidents because their subways are separated from the platform by doors (similar to the air bus at the airport)

Our public transportation leaves so much to be desired.

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Jerund t1_j297waa wrote

Pet peeve was there were barely any garbage cans throughout the whole metro system. Even in the restrooms, there were barely any. Also lacked elevators in many stations. Was annoying traveling with suitcases. Besides that, their metro was pretty good

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Crimsonwolf1445 t1_j28pqqp wrote

Honestly it sounds like the opposite of nypds issue. Nypd settles everything to avoid paying more in legal fees while mta fights everything to avoid paying settlements

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Grandmaster-1090 t1_j27ha1y wrote

I second this, i know first hand, as i litigate many cases against the mta. They’re told not to settle.

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Vilnius_Nastavnik t1_j29it19 wrote

Which is just bananas as a legal strategy.

"Oh look here's a claim where we definitely fucked up and are definitely going to end up paying. I could settle it right now for $250k or I could pay a legion of attorneys and paralegals several years' salary to be super obnoxious and then either settle it with interest or get taken to the cleaners by a jury. Yeah, let's do that, can't have those money-grubbing people we injure thinking we're soft!"

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Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j2dcz7u wrote

Fail to do so and every two bit film flam artist and their lawyers will concoct Fugazi scams for a cheap payout.

Perhaps litigation reform might help?

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York_Villain t1_j27qiiz wrote

The victim will sue the MTA and whatever the private security firm is, no? It'll be the third party security settling though, wouldn't it?

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R_M_T t1_j28dd7w wrote

Good question but it is not necessarily the case.

MTA in this situation can be liable for “negligent hiring” and “respondeat superior” (employers are held responsible for actions of employees, such as security companies, who are acting in the course of their employment)

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Wowzlul t1_j29e6pl wrote

Because of the difficulties in suing the MTA, would it be more fruitful to sue the contractor? Dunno about this particular company, but maybe they'd be more inclined to settle? Or at least their insurer.

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R_M_T t1_j29k9v1 wrote

@Wowzlul “difficult” is a loaded word. A good attorney can navigate all the difficulty with relative ease, it just takes time.

OPs original comment that I have been expanding on makes it seem like getting money from MTA/TA is quick, and that isn’t true.

Litigation is just a nasty business. Nothing is easy and there are a lot of bumps in the roads.

It’s always important to get yourself quality attorney who can guide you and get you compensated for your injuries and future limitations

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PandaEven3982 t1_j28w7bm wrote

Laughs. I can only imagine it's worse if iit happens on a P.A.T.H. platform.

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CrimeRelatedorSexual t1_j292ili wrote

Ha!

I wonder if you get as much of a kick as I out of how wrong some of these armchair lawyers can be counselor.

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stork38 t1_j276qs1 wrote

You say they suck, I say they're doing a good job by not rolling over to slimebag lawyers

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R_M_T t1_j279mdm wrote

To each their own. I honestly hope that you never have an incident with TA/MTA that requires their assistance to make you whole.

I can give you a hundred examples of a person injured on or by a bus, who is entitled to to have their medical bill paid by NYS law, that end up having to pay out of pocket for months because the No-Fault department won’t provide a claim number.

Seems like you’re not familiar with the legal profession as a whole though, and that’s not a surprise, most aren’t.

God forbid you encounter an issue with them though, and are talked in circles while you are unable to get much needed medical treatment that they are liable to assist you with obtaining, please DM me and I will direct you so you don’t get screwed.

Your opinion might be uninformed but you are absolutely entitled to every protection available to you by the law, even if you don’t know that it is available to you.

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Topher1999 t1_j261uqe wrote

If it were me I'd take this to court, this would be a slam dunk case

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Bralesslover t1_j26taw7 wrote

When the MTA hired private guards to stop fare beating they were not clear on the “beating” part.

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kstarkwasp t1_j2721jf wrote

Shit I laughed hard at this hahaha. Anyone could have seen this coming though

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NatLawson t1_j26md8k wrote

I knew them idiots was gonna do this.

Now the payouts. Millions for an officially sanctioned beat down. They should have got that woman who faked that young child into believing his iphone was hers. That would have been some stuff.

Is there a video? Of course there is.

Idiots. Why are idiots in charge? It's almost like whoever is in charge is an idiot.

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Les923 t1_j272t6h wrote

And the idiots who come up with foolish ideas like this are usually the ones in an office, making the 6 figures, who most likely do NOT take the train, so they have NO CLUE in what’s really needed & what can logically work in the subway. Smh

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bsanchey t1_j25luwi wrote

Well that waste of money should now come to an end. Really gonna fight someone for trying to exit through the gate. Really ridiculous.

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Les923 t1_j2728nj wrote

A lot of men who go into police, security guard/bouncer, correction officer, etc work are men with anger issues, who used to be bullied when young & are looking to exploit the little bit of ‘power’ that they get from these types of jobs & take out all their frustrations & aggressions on the people they happen to come in contact with

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The_Razielim t1_j27f6h9 wrote

>A lot of men who go into police, security guard/bouncer, correction officer, etc work are men with anger issues, who used to be bullied when young

In my experience, it's been the ones who were the bullies who ended up becoming cops/etc as adults. The perpetual D-student meatheads who just loved shoving people around when they were kids/teens who grow up and want to be able to punch down legally.

But I'm sure examples could be found in either direction.

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York_Villain t1_j27pzh5 wrote

This. It's always the guys who peaked in high school.

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Grass8989 t1_j26actn wrote

It seems as if they asked him to not go through the emergency exit and the he got into a verbal altercation and started recording them. He could have just went about his day and went through the turnstile exit, but everyone has to unnecessarily cause a problem these days.

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Topher1999 t1_j26efwq wrote

"He should have complied"

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Grass8989 t1_j26et7k wrote

If a guard asked you to use the turnstile instead of the emergency exit, would you have gotten into a verbal altercation with them and started recording them? Seems pretty ridiculous.

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Abtorias t1_j26cchf wrote

Stopping someone from using the emergency exit is a stupid thing to flip your shit over. Of all the fun things to get arrested for, he decided to go to war for the MTA lmao

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Grass8989 t1_j26cs16 wrote

Agreed, I’d be more interested to see what the entire interaction was.

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craaaaaazy44u t1_j26hpi1 wrote

There’s been a lot of stations with bottlenecks at the turnstiles during rush hour because these guards won’t let the security exits open.

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mission17 t1_j25y98f wrote

Remember when we predicted this would happen and users here were insistent it wouldn’t? And when people insisted these guards should have guns?

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Grass8989 t1_j267lbl wrote

Predicted what would happen? Armed guards have considerably more training and qualifications than unarmed guards, who take an 8 hour course and earn their security certificate. That’s like comparing a doctor to a medical assistant.

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mission17 t1_j2685nu wrote

In no way, shape, or form would the presence of guns have improved this situation.

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Grass8989 t1_j268oku wrote

Armed guards wouldn’t have gotten “emotionally” involved in a dispute with a person looking for tiktok clout. You’re basically implying that they were going to hand these type of guards a gun and say “good luck”.

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shamebradley t1_j26mjeu wrote

cause the police have such a great track record of controlling their emotions smh

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mission17 t1_j2691e0 wrote

If you say so then that must totally be the case.

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quotidian_obsidian t1_j27020m wrote

yeah, because when I think of a demographic that I trust not to be unhinged, it’s “dudes who’re ineligible to be cops for various reasons but still want to have a gun at their day job”

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Grass8989 t1_j270bp3 wrote

Lol not everyone who’s an armed guard wants to be a cop, and many are retired from various law enforcement agency’s. It’s extremely difficult to get a armed guard license in NY. If you were ineligible to be a police officer, you wouldn’t be able to get an armed guard license.

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Titan_Astraeus t1_j27hyf6 wrote

Right guns are well known for making people more level headed and less emotional!

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windupshoe2020 t1_j26vm1q wrote

It sounds like the correct argument is simply for more training. Guns don’t need to be added to the situation.

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ajokeofajokeofajoke t1_j28xsdt wrote

slow down there buddy… there’s enough boot to lick you don’t have to rush so fast. take your time and really enjoy the leather flavors

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chewls_verne t1_j27f9p1 wrote

"MTA officials have used unarmed security contractors to patrol subway emergency gates since the summer, and are expanding the effort to more stations."

I'm sorry, the police budget was how much this year?

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arthur_hairstyle t1_j27gn5u wrote

I had the same question! Why are they hiring private security at all?? There are already tons of cops in the subway

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Grass8989 t1_j27qn4e wrote

Probably because it’s not the best use of police resources to have them solely standing at turnstiles waiting for people to jump them.

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almond0k t1_j28myvj wrote

It’s really not about stopping fare evasion. it’s about inspiring a feeling of safety, misplaced or otherwise.

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fldsmdfrv2 t1_j28owot wrote

Adams is accomplishing both. Providing safety and helping the MTA beat the crap out of fare evaders. You see what he did there right?

  1. Grab the fare evader that opened the Emergency Door when exiting

  2. Beat the crap out of him

1+2=Safety which ='s money in the MTA's pocket.

As genius as it gets. This is the best Mayor NYC has had in a long long time. /s

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avd706 t1_j27hgo3 wrote

Because DeBlasio did give a shit about the Subway.

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starbadlit t1_j2cwnly wrote

the police get to hide or sit in break rooms and collect a check. riders must be careful on public transit. see how easy it was for those tourists to get robbed right on the platform.

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The_Lone_Apple t1_j25tvp7 wrote

So now they stop you trying to get out of the station.

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Phaedrusnyc t1_j273boo wrote

If the MTA does not want people (including people with heavy suitcases/bags, bikes, mobility aids, etc) to use the convenient, practical doors, then the MTA should work out a way to separate incoming and out coming turnstiles. Those of us who are older and have physical challenges don't need to get into games of chicken with narcissists who don't bother to look at whether someone is coming the other way or not.

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starbadlit t1_j2cwbfd wrote

i agree. i wish the riders would be more respectable to people with a physical challenge exit. i have seen where they are trying to exit but some freeloader is rushing past them to get in. cool they don't want to pay but let the person with a physical challenge exit.

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Rottimer t1_j25p73e wrote

>“Overwhelmingly, the criminals are fare evaders, so if we do a decent job of discouraging fare evasion and stopping people who are engaged in it, we’re going to catch a lot of criminals,” MTA CEO Janno Lieber said in October.

Do they actually have a documented study on this, or is he talking out of his ass based on feelings?

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Curiosities t1_j26gafb wrote

There has never been any sort of citation or source for this, but it, predictably, keeps getting repeated.

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Grass8989 t1_j266n7e wrote

Everyone that commits crime on the subway is definitely dutifully paying their fare before committing said crime!

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mission17 t1_j26b0bb wrote

So… no, we don’t have a study, just vibes.

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Grass8989 t1_j26b8hi wrote

I don’t know I don’t work for the MTA, but I imagine they have access to that data.

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Curiosities t1_j26gdnb wrote

Would be simple enough to back up their claims with that data if they did.

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Shreddersaurusrex t1_j26hg30 wrote

Janno Lieber is so sickening to see on the news 🙄🙄🙄

The funniest part was him suggesting a redesign of turnstiles/emergency gates for the sake of fare revenue.

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fafalone t1_j27ob01 wrote

Even if it was true... none of these programs are aimed at making serious reductions in fare evading by homeless/mentally ill nuts. They'll just go to a different entrance, or get a ticket they won't pay, or worst case scenario a brief trip to get their id verified at the station if they're not carrying one, and will go straight back to fare evading because they don't care and there's never a high enough coverage rate except a few entrances to a few stations in tourist heavy areas to make getting caught something frequent enough to be a deterrent for them.

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Phaedrusnyc t1_j266auh wrote

Predictably, the Post readership is evenly divided between "nothing wrong with this, woke liberals don't believe in punishment" and "this is because of the Democratic mayor being corrupt."

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SumyungNam t1_j2675pl wrote

DA will prob prosecute lol

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Shreddersaurusrex t1_j26h5qb wrote

They pay $1 million a month for security and day it’s led to a $100k uptick in fares… 🤔

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Bh10474 t1_j26yaca wrote

If only we had this same level of accountability for cops

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Mattna-da t1_j27r58i wrote

I wish there were cops around to immediately arrest cops who beat up suspects

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_Maxolotl t1_j29342i wrote

If only real cops could get arrested for this kind of thing as fast as rentacops do.

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androgein1 t1_j27anwx wrote

The crazy thing is that this guy was just trying to exit the station. Imagine getting beat up by simply trying to leave the station through the emergency exit, the one that everyone uses. They just hired a bunch of thugs for no reason.

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ADustedEwok t1_j27fw85 wrote

You’re telling me more people evade than paying a bunch of peoples salaries fuck Eric adams and his corrupt cronys

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anderent t1_j27s749 wrote

Help me here with MTA/City train of thought. “People who don’t pay the fare are criminals. We will hire criminals to fight criminals.” Does that sound right? Who qualify the guards? How much are we paying for their “service” of standing by emergency door all day?

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co_matic t1_j27u0ox wrote

Hold on, Eric Adams somehow convinced the MTA to hire private security from a company founded by an aide of his to stop turnstile jumpers? Where's the NYPD in all of this?

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avd706 t1_j28gwrv wrote

They've been around since the DeBlasio days.

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Lyin-Don t1_j28ebcf wrote

.#releasethetape

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ChaotiCait t1_j293o1r wrote

It almost seems like there should be a city-run department to police the subway and enforce the city’s laws. Something like, policing enforcement? Or … a police …force?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Vegetable-Length-823 t1_j26549q wrote

I want to know if any of them had a valid SGL

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1600hazenstreet OP t1_j26qx3m wrote

Yes, that is not that hard to get. No criminal records of any kind, plus a few hours of training / instruction.

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Moist-Department2012 t1_j26uzjd wrote

Yet the literal roof is crumbling on to the tracks. 2023 is going to be the year of jumping the turnstiles, especially when they raise the “fares”

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Revir_Nosduh t1_j26v7yf wrote

Aaand that’s the the end of this program.

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spring_ways t1_j284x7d wrote

At this point it would be sensible to have a training course for private security on what is & isn’t allowed so things like this don’t happen again, hopefully.

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flandrew_arbogast t1_j28plh6 wrote

Is there a Post “style guide” where they HAVE to say straphanger over and over?!

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magicfitzpatrick t1_j2a3mqi wrote

I wish they would’ve beat me. I would’ve had my lawyer asking for 2 million and it’s a wrap.

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Grass8989 t1_j2dwr2p wrote

The “victim” got exactly what he wanted.

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Ringmaster242 t1_j2agn7o wrote

Talk about dedication to your job, more people should have that type of work ethic

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TheLastHotBoy t1_j28kitr wrote

Eric Adams should be sued personally

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Hour-Pangolin694 t1_j29r1v6 wrote

Half of these security guards are on their phones the entire shift. People, they are using our taxpayer money to pay these guards to do nothing. The other half of these guards are on a power trip and abuse their power thinking they the cops. Thanks a lot Adams

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PBM1337 t1_j28jenb wrote

This sub should be renamed r /nypost nypost is super republican and they are drinking buddies with this subs favorite Mayor Mr. Adams

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Grass8989 t1_j269te8 wrote

So some kid trying to get “tiktok clout” messed around with the wrong people and found out?

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1600hazenstreet OP t1_j26eapb wrote

More like he just won the lotto. Subway rider will file lawsuit against the MTA for negligence.

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Grass8989 t1_j26evrt wrote

Probably, I’m sure that’s what he wanted to happen anyway.

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ciplaya t1_j26h6tm wrote

Yup, probably an entitled loser

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ciplaya t1_j26h4ed wrote

I feel like there’s more to the story, because they didn’t just jump on him and beat him. He probably didn’t like that someone told him he can’t do something, got rude and probably berated them and got handled.

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Grass8989 t1_j26i1rc wrote

That’s definitely what happened, people on here are too soft. They’re also very quick to demonize working class PoC (which these guards are) without due process, yet will make any excuse for why a career criminal shouldn’t be held in jail.

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starbadlit t1_j2cwktd wrote

exactly. this is the main reason why people complain about the mta. they don't respect poc or the common working class man. it's gratuitous rebellion. exiting through there out of spite when he didn't have a stroller, cart or bike.

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ananon18 t1_j25o2zq wrote

Wow that’s cause of fare invasion. Why the private guards need to beat them, can’t they just fine and that’s it?

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PandaJ108 t1_j25pccn wrote

The guy was not even fare beating. He was just trying to exit thru the emergency door. And no, these guards don’t have authority to ticket anybody. They are just there as a presence and MTA hopes that people won’t jump the turnstiles upon seeing them. Pretty sure the city/MTA does not want these guards engaging physically with fare beaters in anyway.

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ananon18 t1_j261dwg wrote

So we can’t use emergency door to exit anymore??

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Topher1999 t1_j261s6v wrote

If you like your face the way it is, nope

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ananon18 t1_j26ffng wrote

Everyone uses it cause it’s easier than exiting from turnstile when you have a bunch of people trying to swipe in via turnstile to enter

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Grass8989 t1_j266qgf wrote

You were never supposed to use it unless it was an emergency, hence “emergency exit”.

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Own_Decision_4063 t1_j26ar71 wrote

People open the emergency doors so that people on the other side can enter without paying. I see it all the time at the Times Square stations. More worried about crime in the subways instead of fare beaters.

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Grass8989 t1_j26b1sh wrote

Right, and these guys were hired specifically for fare beating, which is why they told the individual to not use the emergency exit.

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yasth t1_j26bvzy wrote

You are explicitly allowed to use it if you have a stroller or a wheelchair etc. the phrasing is just the mta trying to discourage people from using them.

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Curiosities t1_j26gta9 wrote

As well as carrying packages or luggage, and sometimes it's easier or even necessary to use the gate if you're disabled (which might be invisible), rather than have to trek back across the platform to get to the turnstiles.

I use both turnstiles and gates to exit when I ride, depending on the day and my circumstances. I'm invisibly disabled. I'm sure these security people would never consider that.

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Phaedrusnyc t1_j2730mp wrote

I'm also (basically) invisibly disabled (although if anyone ever paid attention to strangers it's not all that invisible when you see my gait, etc). I have been physically injured by people who refuse to yield right of way on turnstiles so I always use the doors when I can. Now I can look forward to Rent-a-Robocop yelling at me to comply, I guess.

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Grass8989 t1_j26cow5 wrote

Did this person have either of those? The fact that they got into an altercation with the guards and started recording them tends to make me think they didn’t.

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yasth t1_j26cuz8 wrote

Never said they did just that they aren’t only for an emergency.

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TheSkyIsFalling09 t1_j25vuq7 wrote

People need to stop jumping the turnstile

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PvtHudson t1_j262pab wrote

What does this have anything to do with what happened? The guy was trying to leave the station.

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mowotlarx t1_j2618b1 wrote

You think people should be strong armed and beaten for "theft" of $2.75 in transportation cost? Ok, Javert.

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